New Look Conner-less Offense

[BirdGangThing]

Just call em like I see em.

it's tired just like your whole shtick - im guessing kyler would dislike it as much as the rest of us - your content is weaker than anything petzing could ever call - your posts are dumber than any route he can draw up - but hey - keep on calling em like you see em

 

[602 Native]

it's tired just like your whole shtick - im guessing kyler would dislike it as much as the rest of us - your content is weaker than anything petzing could ever call - your posts are dumber than any route he can draw up - but hey - keep on calling em like you see em

This seems personal for you all of a sudden.

You still mad about my baked comment yesterday?

 

[BirdGangThing]

This seems personal for you all of a sudden.

You still mad about my baked comment yesterday?

no - im not ashamed of myself - which is why you know i smoke weed - im ashamed of your petzing nickname - you know exactly what i and everybody is talking about - your pathetic offensive attempts at humor - when kyler sucks - you lash out - you get emotional - you start calling em like you see em

 

[Jetstream Green]

I believe Benson is more than capable of being a starting back in this league, he just needs to play and he will get all that stutter stepping out of the way. I don't know when it changed, but for the most part a back had to get touches and get hit to get a feel for the game

 

[Harry]

how big of a role will demarcado play - and will bam see time as well? im guessing petzing really liked bam when he made the 53

They like his big play potential, but not a true power back.

 

[Harry]

good stuff man - better than mine

Thanks, very kind.

 

[Harry]

I think what Harry said is true, they will have to tweak the offense to fit Benson's running style. I also think we're going to see more things like wheel routes or swing routes to Benson on the move, if Kyler can deliver them because he's a good receiver and much faster. I think the concern becomes how Benson handles all the decisions you have to make as a RB1. Conner knew when to pick up the blitz when to chip and run the pattern etc. Benson is still learning that stuff I expect we'll see teams blitz just to see how Benson holds up

I think we may use less 3 TE in fact we did yesterday and I think we might going forward. Without Connner we're less inclined to power the ball. That could open up the pass game.

I fully expect Carter to be RB2 not DeMercado or Knight.

Good point on blitzing. I’m certain you’re correct. I think Demercado gets the first shot at RB2. Likely see screen plays if they can ever teach the line not to tip them.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Conners 3 longest runs this year were 12, 9 and 8 so combined that's 29 yards. Benson had a 29 yard run yesterday.

The issue is consistently hitting the hole hard and if not there put your head down and get what you can. for example after the PI, with Gaines in at FB we didnt' block it well and Benson doesn't score, he hit the hole hard but the defense stuffed it, I still feel like Conner probably scores on that one though?

I hope we never see the Gaines at fullback experiment again. On the first play he got completely stoned and stood up by, I think, the linebacker. He was just an obstacle for the running back.

 

[Russ Smith]

I hope we never see the Gaines at fullback experiment again. On the first play he got completely stoned and stood up by, I think, the linebacker. He was just an obstacle for the running back.

I think we should just line him up behind the RB and have him push forward.

or better yet put an extra linemen in at TE and line up Tip at FB

 

[kerouac9]

I hope we never see the Gaines at fullback experiment again. On the first play he got completely stoned and stood up by, I think, the linebacker. He was just an obstacle for the running back.

He was one of our highest graded offensive players by pff.

 

[Redsz]

The Cards want to be a run first team. With Connor out this becomes problematic. I talked about my Petzing concerns on the WR thread. I have them here as well. I mentioned briefly on the Sunday game thread that the blocking was not what Benson needed. The running play design is oriented to Connor’s style of running, not Benson’s.

Connor is an elite power runner who overwhelms would be tacklers with force. Benson is more about quickness and cuts. What some are calling dancing, Benson simply goes to the point of supposed attack and finds no opening. He needs a gap. He has some power, but he’s not going to knock back DTs. Now this doesn’t mean if Connor runs straight into a DT, he’ll knock him over. Most DTs make tackles when engaged with a blocker they reach out and grab a runner; holding on. This hardly ever works with Connor. He just plows through them. Benson needs more space. Part of this is on the Oline. Part of this is on running play design. Pre-snap movement can get the Dline out of position or at least off balance. Double-teaming, perhaps with Reiman in motion and hitting a hole first might work. Maybe using a power back (not on current roster) or H-back to hit the line first. Trap blocking might be useful. Pulling linemen better uses Benson’s skill set. Options where Murray could pullout the ball and run himself could confuse the defense or even pitch-outs. The new running game must include more finesse. Benson can breaks tackles, especially past the line of scrimmage, but he’d rather avoid them. In two games he’s broken two long runs. That’s Benson’s game.

Benson is also decent as a pass receiver, but he’s only employed as an outlet. For the most part the defense is all over him as the ball arrives. Murray telegraphs his near panic. When have you ever seen Murray take a hit to make a completion?

When Connor went out, so did the running game. These plays are simply not effective or designed for a normal RB. As to the Oline, Adams is terrible in all respects. Between him and Froholdt the A gap is too often deeply penetrated. Runners are frequently hit in the backfield. They need more audibles when teams jam the box. This is a bad offense. I don’t see it getting fixed by Thursday.

Absolutely agree. Adams has been beyond awful. We need Hernandez back in the line up ASAP.

My only hope is that Benson can turn those 5 yard runs from Conner into 10-15 yard runs with his speed.

 

[Harry]

I really like the intensity Hernandez plays with. The announcers called out Adams for standing flat in front of a defensive lineman. The result was the lineman jumped up and batted down Murray’s pass. It’s just my opinion, but I think Hernandez is more likely to stay engaged.

 

[BritCard]

I don't like Benson's tendency to go east west instead of sticking to his lane. He has a tendency to do that and lose yardage. Go where you're supposed to go and take your lumps (unless there's an obvious huge lane elsewhere obvs). He needs to cut that out. He turns 3 yards into 0 yards too often.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I don't like Benson's tendency to go east west instead of sticking to his lane. He has a tendency to do that and lose yardage. Go where you're supposed to go and take your lumps (unless there's an obvious huge lane elsewhere obvs). He needs to cut that out. He turns 3 yards into 0 yards too often.

Agree

I've been saying in the gameday threads that he needs to go north and quit dancing around

 

[BirdGangThing]

Agree

I've been saying in the gameday threads that he needs to go north and quit dancing around

we should probably look at benson's two big runs and see if there's any stuttering or dancing

i think the first was i formation - a run to the outside with higgins as the fb/lead blocker - he stayed patient behind his blockers then broke it

second one - was a power or counter - i don't think there was a lead blocker - benson got to the los and showed a lot of vision - i don't think he hesitated on that either

sidenote: if benson's now the man the seahawks will test his ball security - it's what that defense does - he can't turn the ball over in his national debut

 

[SoonerLou]

Benson better be ready after being drafted high and getting more carries with JC out.

Zero reason he can't be a 100yard rusher but the oline has me concerned that they have also lost their mojo.

I see the Sea Chickens embarrasing us and maybe P Guy will be fired the next day.

Passed up Bucky Irving for Benson.

 

[netsnjkidd]

Passed up Bucky Irving for Benson.

Not sure bucky was even on their radar. He doesn't fit type of running petzing wants

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

I’m actually excited to see if benson can add some explosiveness to this offense which he already has more than the other players on this team.

We know he’s going to get at least 5+ check down passes per game with Kyler at the helm. I doubt petzing adapts the scheme at all- for anyone hoping for a more prolific passing offense- keep dreaming

 

[BulldogCard]

Hopefully Hernandez plays Thursday. I'd expect more throwing this week. Murray and MHJ could heat up; along with the TE passing game. This is also where Murray has been at risk for injuries and interceptions, fumbles in the past as well. It should be interesting. It has worked in the past, then the 2nd half of the season starts. There is the big picture conservative look of this offense, and the open it up side. It's urgent they open it up since the last half of the schedule is so tough. This is it...either Murray somehow gets better throwing more or the Cards are looking to draft a quarterback next year. He has been in the league for a while.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

I don't like Benson's tendency to go east west instead of sticking to his lane. He has a tendency to do that and lose yardage. Go where you're supposed to go and take your lumps (unless there's an obvious huge lane elsewhere obvs). He needs to cut that out. He turns 3 yards into 0 yards too often.

i think it should be said however---- that we have been watching a lead power back run straight into the pile for years. So watching another rb is going to be a little different for us all being that he isnt nearly as physical as JC was.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

Keys to success

1. Trade for Breece Hall
2. Suit up Will Hernandez
3. Throw bombs to Marvin, Get P.I. calls
4. wear cool sand uniforms
5. Let team watch Lil Jon halftime show

 

[Russ Smith]

we should probably look at benson's two big runs and see if there's any stuttering or dancing

i think the first was i formation - a run to the outside with higgins as the fb/lead blocker - he stayed patient behind his blockers then broke it

second one - was a power or counter - i don't think there was a lead blocker - benson got to the los and showed a lot of vision - i don't think he hesitated on that either

sidenote: if benson's now the man the seahawks will test his ball security - it's what that defense does - he can't turn the ball over in his national debut

He doesn't have a history of fumbling but you never know NFL is a different beast.

My concern as I said will be blitz pickup because I fully expect Seattle is going to test him by blitzing

I think there's going to be a tradeoff there will absolutely be plays where he doesnt' get yards because he's trying to extend the run laterally, but there's also going to be plays where he gets way more yards than Conner would because of the speed.

Make no mistake we're going to miss James Conner a ton, he's the heart and soul of the offense

 

[BritCard]

The other concern with Benson is I don't recall him doing any red zone work. That was always JC.

We've never seen him have to get through those small gaps, or power his way over the line.

 

[kerouac9]

we should probably look at benson's two big runs and see if there's any stuttering or dancing

i think the first was i formation - a run to the outside with higgins as the fb/lead blocker - he stayed patient behind his blockers then broke it

second one - was a power or counter - i don't think there was a lead blocker - benson got to the los and showed a lot of vision - i don't think he hesitated on that either

sidenote: if benson's now the man the seahawks will test his ball security - it's what that defense does - he can't turn the ball over in his national debut

The second one on Sunday Waldman did a breakdown on X and the OL opened up a hole you could drive a Toyota Tacoma through. Impossible to miss.

The concern with Benson is can he keep the offense on schedule. His rush success rate (33%) is ten points lower than Conner. It’s great if he can turn a run that’s blocked for four into 40; in this offense, it’s arguably more important he he take a play that’s blocked for four and get four most of the time.

 

[DVontel]

The other concern with Benson is I don't recall him doing any red zone work. That was always JC.

We've never seen him have to get through those small gaps, or power his way over the line.

Pretty sure he scored his first TD in the redzone against either the Bears or Jets.