Mock Draft - Post Free Agency

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  1. BritCard

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    You can't use outliers like they are a rule mate.

    How many NFL starters have sat for 2 years+ then been good? Probably 1.

    There are great QB's in every draft now. Why rush it? If Ryan does fade, well that just puts them in a better position to draft a good one.
     
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    In my opinion every draft should be the future. Sadly Keim can't draft for crap so we have tonnes of holes to fill now.

    (I'm also not a huge AVT fan)
     
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    They took a QB in the 20's and were coming off a 10 win season. Totally different scenario.
     
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    You should be. He is very good.
     
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    Projecting it out, I think the top of round 2 sees a run on EDGE and CB. A couple LBs and WRs. Etienne likely goes in that group.

    My guess is that we are choosing between

    RB - Etienne or Javonte Williams
    WR - Amon-Ra St Brown or Elijah Moore or D'Wayne Eskridge or Nico Collins
    TE - Brevin Jordan
    EDGE - Jordan Smith or Joe Tryon
    CB - Trill Williams or Elijah Molden or Eric Stokes
    S - Jevon Holland

    Nico Collins fills an outside WR role similar to AJ Green. One of those two RBs fills a roster hole at RB. Same with Brevin at TE. EDGE is less of a need but has good value. CB would be a need but I don't love the value. I like Jalen Thompson but I could see the appeal of JEvon Holland.

    IMO, best player value is at RB and EDGE and my guess is they go RB in this scenario.
     
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    Chopper, where do you get your “My guess” reasoning for those picks? Are you associated with the Cardinals organization in some way? That sounds to me like you kind of have some insider type of information?

     
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    I am not close with anyone in the Cardinals organization so this is all an educated guess. I say educated because I have coached football at the lower levels, have been blessed to chat with some higher level coaches and players and former front office people about what people in the league look for when drafting players and how it all works.

    Most of that info is not earth shattering like how draft boards are set, how need and fit factor in, and how draft profiles are developed. But I like to share what I know and football in general has been a significant passion of mine for 20 years.

    The one area I feel most on this board miss when projecting the draft is that most teams operate with a top 125 or 150 player board for the entire draft. This works because teams view scheme fit and roster composition so heavily when building their boards. If a guy doesn't fit, he isn't dropped down the board, he is dropped off the board.

    An example of roster composition impact would be with Arizona and offensive linemen. Currently their roster looks like this.

    Kelvin Beachum
    Mason Cole
    Lamont Gaillard
    Max Garcia
    Marcus Gilbert
    Rodney Hudson
    DJ Humphries
    Josh Jones
    Joshua Miles
    Justin Murray
    Justin Pugh
    Brian Winters

    12 experienced players for 9 to 10 spots and that doesn't include other players on the roster. There are only a handful of players in the entire draft who would be able to make the roster and that impacts the board. Aaron Banks and Ben Cleveland may be nice prospects but no point in drafting them in rounds 5 and 6 if they have to go to the practice squad to stick. And that doesn't even take into account for scheme.

    So, in short, not an insider and just another message board know-it-all who can sometimes piece things together.
     
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    OL under contract beyond the 2022-23’ season:

    Josh Jones
     
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    lol...Keim isn't looking that far ahead with this few of picks. If he was exploring the OG market, he would not have added Max Garcia and Brian Winters to the OL room. If anything, those signings should give people a belief that Josh Jones is going to get a shot at RT. Or someone is getting traded.
     
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    Ok, thx, Chopper. So, an “educated” guess based on your research, etc. :idea::shades: thx
     
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    I believe that he believes that, yeah. To me Garcia and Winters really don’t mean anything in regards to drafting a OL high. It will have to be done eventually.
     
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    Edit: Re-read and saw you were saying 22-23. I don't think we need to be worried about getting that far ahead of ourselves given the other holes on the roster that will be in similar situations.

    CBs under contract beyond the 22-23 season:
     
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    and someone got traded.
     
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    I was just going to say good call.
     
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    I would like to see Jones replace Pugh next year. With center and LT locked down, Jones with those bookends would be some sweet feet on the ground. If Pugh didn’t take that pay cut could have been earlier?
     

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