Matt Leinart the 22nd best backup QB?

[SuperSpck]

Thanks for the write-up Super-Spck. Don't agree with all of it but I certainly appreciate the hard work and good read.

Which is fantastic.
What's your version? Let's keep this thing rolling, Saturday is too far away.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

O'Sullivan has looked good for the Bengals thus far. Granted it is just two preseason games. Maybe getting out of SF did him some good?

 

[IAWarnerFan]

28. Orlovsky needs to be lower I watched him orchestrate a lot of train wreck last year.
29.?
30. Young looks like he can’t run a pro system and can’t run the option system the coaches installed for him. He flashes occasionally, but doesn’t seem to do enough of anything well enough to look like he can stay in the league (he’s fast, but not fast enough, he can throw, but not with supreme accuracy or velocity).
31. O’Sullivan barely a backup and one of those times when the vaunted Martz system didn’t produce a star.
32. Hanie not enough information to elevate him.

I'm guessing you'd have Alex Smith in the 29th spot?

 

[moklerman]

Which is fantastic.
What's your version? Let's keep this thing rolling, Saturday is too far away.

Edited my previous post in case you didn't notice.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Edited my previous post in case you didn't notice.

I didn't see that you had commented on O'Sullivan. I ended up repeating what you said I think.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

1. Jeff Garcia, Oakland
2. Seneca Wallace, Seattle
3. Chris Redman, Atlanta
4. Billy Volek, San Diego
5. Michael Vick, Philadelphia
6. Jim Sorgi, Indianapolis
7. Troy Smith, Baltimore
8. Matt Leinart, Arizona
9. Sage Rosenfels, Minnesota
10. Derek Anderson, Cleveland
11. Alex Smith, San Francisco
12. Jon Kitna, Dallas
13. Chad Henne, Miami
14. Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh
15. Mark Brunell, New Orleans
16. David Carr, New York Giants
17. Daunte Culpepper, Detroit
18. Todd Collins, Washington
19. Brodie Croyle, Kansas City
20. Kellen Clemens, New York Jets
21. Chris Simms, Denver
22. Kyle Boller, St. Louis
23. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Buffalo
24. Dan Orlovsky, Houston
25. Matt Flynn, Green Bay
26. Luke McCown, Tampa Bay
27. Josh McCown, Carolina
28. Vince Young, Tennessee
29. J.T. O'Sullivan, Cincinnati
30. Caleb Hanie, Chicago
31. Andrew Walter, New England
32. Todd Bouman, Jacksonville

Just throwing it out there. May look at it later or something.

 

[cgolden]

Dan Orvlosky?!?!?! As in the same guy who ran out of the back of the endzone last year?

Somebody is drinking some Hater-ade!!!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

1. Jeff Garcia, Oakland
2. Seneca Wallace, Seattle
3. Chris Redman, Atlanta
4. Billy Volek, San Diego
5. Michael Vick, Philadelphia
6. Jim Sorgi, Indianapolis
7. Troy Smith, Baltimore
8. Matt Leinart, Arizona

Unless you own a Whataburger franchise,how in any galaxy can you rank Smith above Leinart? There's not one reason that can back that up. At least the other guys, Matt included, have shown some ability to play in a legit NFL game.

 

[Mulli]

I am missing something about Seneca Wallace? He doesn't seem that good to me at all.

 

[Covert Rain]

I really don't have a problem with this. Up to this point Matt has not shown anything to write home about. He also has not gotten that much playing time behind Warner. Though I admit, I am impressed with his first pre-season outing....he just needs to sustain it.

 

[Pariah]

I am missing something about Seneca Wallace? He doesn't seem that good to me at all.

He got a lot better last year. I think he's pretty good now, and wouldn't be surprised to see him either take over for Hasselbeck when his back finally gets the better of him or compete for a starting gig somewhere in the next few years.

 

[Mulli]

He got a lot better last year. I think he's pretty good now, and wouldn't be surprised to see him either take over for Hasselbeck when his back finally gets the better of him or compete for a starting gig somewhere in the next few years.

Really? Hmm, interesting. I thought for sure he was just not very good.

 

[cgolden]

I really don't have a problem with this. Up to this point Matt has not shown anything to write home about. He also has not gotten that much playing time behind Warner. Though I admit, I am impressed with his first pre-season outing....he just needs to sustain it.

Yea but neither have any of the other spares on this list.....

 

[CardLogic]

2nd string QB is either the best or worst job in all of sports...

 

[cgolden]

2nd string QB is either the best or worst job in all of sports...

3rd string is the best.....2nd is the worst

 

[SuperSpck]

Sorry for the late reply, I was nodding off at my desk and thought it best if I went to bed. Heh.

Thanks for the write-up Super-Spck. Don't agree with all of it but I certainly appreciate the hard work and good read.

2. Sorgi lives and breathes his system and the Colts have never tried to replace him. Say hello to Gary Kubiak part 2. Good comparison. I don't think Sorgi will ever do anything but accelerate his departure if he ever has to play.

5. Sage is underrated by many and most people focus on his most recent lowlight. My early prediction is that the Vikings are going to be very happy they signed him by the end of the year.

I'm in the minority in Minnesota, but I think Farve's a turnover machine who's physical abilities have declined to the point where he doesn't bring much more to the table than Sage. His experience is worth considering, but his alltime INT rate is too. I agree with you.

7. Redman has a star crossed path, but the last time he started he put together a pretty good run. If something happens to Ryan the Falcons aren’t lost. I've been very impressed and surprised with Redman and it just helps punctuate how getting out of Baltimore is probably the best move any of those QB's could have made.

I LOVE Ozzy, but they really have a few spots that they just can't seem to nail on that team. We'll see if Flacco's the long term answer.

11. Leinart, Banks may have knocked Matt’s consistency, which is true to an extent, but throwing for 400+ in a game your rookie season means you can play at the level. Spending as much time in the offensive system as he has doesn’t hurt either. I know I'll get killed for this but Leinart threw the ball 51 times that day. 405 yards on 51 attempts is not something that everyone should be pointing to as an indicator of his potential. He also only threw 1 TD that day in 51 attempts. Since that day, he hasn't surpassed 300 yards in a game. I think the Cardinals are in good shape at QB but that 400 yard day didn't mean much then and it's been a long time since it happened.

It's 8 yards an attempt, not elite by any level but that's just in the ballpark of what you want an average to be. In full disclosure the Vikings were an exceptional run defense but couldn't defense the pass nearly as well (but by pass attempt #30 they should be able to guess what's coming). It's not incontrovertable evidence of Leinart's sucess, I look at it as an accurate gauge of what he's capable of.

20. Walter he gets a break by being a Patriot, the Patriots didn’t get a break signing him. Remember Rohan Davey? I'll see your Rohan and raise you a Quinn Gray. Both those guys looked far better than they turned out to be. Not sure Walter falls into that category but I haven't got to see him with NE yet.

Man we're good with obscure QB's. Walter didn't totally tank as a starter and being in a good system will only help, so perhaps I have him too low on the list.

31. O’Sullivan barely a backup and one of those times when the vaunted Martz system didn’t produce a star. I think O'Sullivan was saddled with unrealistic expectations coupled with being put in a high risk offense. From what I've heard, he's looked pretty sharp for the Bengals. Don't know if he'll ever make a good starter but his SF stint is a bit of an unfair barometer.

He had some pretty good numbers, but a box score tells jack in the preseason. Anyone lay eyes on him so far?

 

[SuperSpck]

O'Sullivan has looked good for the Bengals thus far. Granted it is just two preseason games. Maybe getting out of SF did him some good?

Have you had a chance to watch him? I'm just curious, like Molker said, it was an aggressive offense and I just want to know if he looked any sharper away from the system.

I'm guessing you'd have Alex Smith in the 29th spot?

I was slowly falling asleep as I wrote my version. A little embarrassing. I'm really pulling for Smith, and he did have one rebound year with Norv, but I don't know if he can do it without him or stay healthy for a season, but it'd be hard placing him higher.

Edited my previous post in case you didn't notice.

I caught it today, sorry it took me so long to get back.

 

[SuperSpck]

Dan Orvlosky?!?!?! As in the same guy who ran out of the back of the endzone last year?
Somebody is drinking some Hater-ade!!!

When we watched that play happen everyone in the bar just knew that would be the deciding factor in the game. It was really too funny.

how in any galaxy can you rank Smith above Leinart?

Not piling on, but am curious what your thoughts are on him.

I am missing something about Seneca Wallace? He doesn't seem that good to me at all.

He got a lot better last year. I think he's pretty good now, and wouldn't be surprised to see him either take over for Hasselbeck when his back finally gets the better of him or compete for a starting gig somewhere in the next few years.

What J said.
Mobility, adequate arm strength, and always keeps his eyes downfield. He's been in the same passing system since being drafted. He had solid statistics playing with a team of 2nd stringers against starting defenses. If a team runs an west-coast offense and are in desperate need of a QB, he'd be worth considering.

3rd string is the best.....2nd is the worst

Good pay, get to see lots of different cities, mock the 2nd stringer. Good gig.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Unless you own a Whataburger franchise,how in any galaxy can you rank Smith above Leinart? There's not one reason that can back that up. At least the other guys, Matt included, have shown some ability to play in a legit NFL game.

He has done well in very limited action for Baltimore. That's much of what I'm basing everything on. Ever so slight edge to Smith for now.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Dan Orvlosky?!?!?! As in the same guy who ran out of the back of the endzone last year?

Somebody is drinking some Hater-ade!!!

He's not vey good I agree, but take away that play and game he's been so-so for a backp QB. That's why he's in the 20s.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Have you had a chance to watch him? I'm just curious, like Molker said, it was an aggressive offense and I just want to know if he looked any sharper away from the system.

Admittedly no, but it would be difficult to put up the numbers he has and not look good. Granted it's versus 2nd stringers and just two preseason games in. That's why I haven't moved him up much (if any right now). He was so bad in SF that he was nicknamed Just TurnOvers, but I'm interested to see how he does with the Bengals tho.

 

[Big Deal]

Dan Orvlosky?!?!?! As in the same guy who ran out of the back of the endzone last year?

Somebody is drinking some Hater-ade!!!

I was thinking the exact same thing!

 

[Mulli]

Troy Smith? Hah!

 

[Lorenzo]

well he's right there with VY then. Vince played most of the game last night and struggled just to get a first down.

 

[Duckjake]

# Jeff Garcia, Oakland
# Seneca Wallace, Seattle
# Chris Redman, Atlanta
# Billy Volek, San Diego
# Michael Vick, Philadelphia
# Jim Sorgi, Indianapolis
# Troy Smith, Baltimore
#Matt Leinart
# Sage Rosenfels, Minnesota

Matt Leinart is really the only guy on that list that I can see as being young enough and talented enough to be a #1 QB for 10 years after the current starter goes. I like the fact that our backup QB is just as good as those guys and also our QBOF.

Volek btw is riding on one hot season 5 years ago. The last three seasons combined he is 4-12 with no TDs and one interception. Can you say Gary Hogeboom?

Did Redman play at all last year? There are no stats for him for 2008 on nfl.com and profootball-reference.com. But you have to like a guy who is in his 30s and is a former Arena League QB.