Look What the Bengals are Doing

[BuckeyeCardinal]

You gotta like what the lowly Bengals are doing and hope that our PLAN is similar.

Instead of keeping a quality player Spikes (like Boston) the Bengals spent their money on 3 quality players over the week-end......DT Thornton....LBer Kevin Hardy and CB Tory James.

I first thought they would really miss Spikes....now I'm not so sure.....Lewis has used the word MY in reference to this team....no locker room negative influences of people who don't want to be there.....I guess it's starting to really look like his team.

 

[CardsFan88]

Way too much for thorton. a russel davis + 10%

kevin hardy has played very poorly the past few years. he was once one of the best, I don't know what happened to him. 67 solo tackles and 2 sacks last year. He could turn it around though.

Tory james....no opinion..I really don't know who he is.


Takeo Spikes however, is one of the best lb in the league. A playmaker, scores td's, etc.

But, unlike the cards, they are MAKING MOVES...I can agree with that

I don't think they wanted to resign spikes anyways, because of the money involved.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by CardsFan88
Way too much for thorton. a russel davis + 10%

kevin hardy has played very poorly the past few years. he was once one of the best, I don't know what happened to him. 67 solo tackles and 2 sacks last year. He could turn it around though.

Tory james....no opinion..I really don't know who he is.


Takeo Spikes however, is one of the best lb in the league. A playmaker, scores td's, etc.

But, unlike the cards, they are MAKING MOVES...I can agree with that

I don't think they wanted to resign spikes anyways, because of the money involved.

Thortnon is a little better than that I think and its a solid move for a team that has two good DE's and needed to shore up the run defense. Tory James is a good cover guy and will help them a lot. As much as I liked Spikes he didnt want to play there so no use keeping him around, plus they have Simmons who if Spikes wasnt on the team would be considered one of the best in the AFC as well.

Lewis si trying to build through defense and take players that will play his schemes....I think there biggest concern in at QB though

 

[Skkorpion]

Lewis is doing a fabulous job resurrecting the Bengals. He was right to let the unhappy Takeo Spikes go and the newly signed Torey James is 29 and has 4 good years left.

Lewis gets it.

 

[Ed B]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Lewis is doing a fabulous job resurrecting the Bengals. He was right to let the unhappy Takeo Spikes go and the newly signed Torey James is 29 and has 4 good years left.

Lewis gets it.

I disagree.

Tory James was benched on the last 2 teams he started for. He started for the Raiders soley because Buchanan and Woodson got hurt.

John Thornton is a nice player who they badly overpaid.

Kevin Hardy can only run in a straight line at this point in his career, when he tries to change direction you can hear his knee in the stands, it's like a rusty drawbridge.

I'm not impressed by any of these signings. I think it's signing people for the sake of signing people.

 

[RedStorm]

you can hear his knee in the stands, it's like a rusty drawbridge.

That's how my knee feels every morning....LOL

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by Ed B
I disagree.

Tory James was benched on the last 2 teams he started for. He started for the Raiders soley because Buchanan and Woodson got hurt.

John Thornton is a nice player who they badly overpaid.

Kevin Hardy can only run in a straight line at this point in his career, when he tries to change direction you can hear his knee in the stands, it's like a rusty drawbridge.

I'm not impressed by any of these signings. I think it's signing people for the sake of signing people.

Gotta say i agree with Ed on this one 100%.

Marvin Lewis is overrated and has been!!!

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by Ed B
I think it's signing people for the sake of signing people.

You got that right. There sure has been a lot of overpaying done the last couple of weeks to just average players. Teams have to be running out of Cap space soon.

Actually it has already started to happen. Green Bay just had to cut LB Nate Wayne because he was due a roster bonus.

 

[mdsisquo]

Originally posted by CardsFan88
Way too much for thorton. a russel davis + 10%

Hmmm, over pay for a player to get him in the uni of a struggling franchise, this sounds familiar. Many people on this board want the cards to over pay for talent so we can start winning so pretty soon FA's will actually want to come here. The bengals are DOING what we all WISH THE CARDS WOULD DO. Don't knock them for doing what the have to do to be succesfull in the long run!

 

[Ed B]

Originally posted by Shane H

Marvin Lewis is overrated and has been!!!

I think Lewis is a good coach but these signings are mediocre. Tory James may be better than the crap Cincinnati has at CB but he certainly isn't that good.

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by Shane H
Gotta say i agree with Ed on this one 100%.

Marvin Lewis is overrated and has been!!!

Marvin Lewis is a very good coach (not overrated) and is not signing players himself.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by mdsisquo
Don't knock them for doing what the have to do to be succesfull in the long run!

How does overpaying average players help you in the long run? I think the opposite would be true.

 

[CardsFan88]

Originally posted by mdsisquo
Hmmm, over pay for a player to get him in the uni of a struggling franchise, this sounds familiar. Many people on this board want the cards to over pay for talent so we can start winning so pretty soon FA's will actually want to come here. The bengals are DOING what we all WISH THE CARDS WOULD DO. Don't knock them for doing what the have to do to be succesfull in the long run!

The russel davis +10% is about what I feel he is. Russel davis isn't a bad player. imo.

If anyone signs russel davis...they'll be getting a great backup/decent starter player. I think Thorton was just about 1 level above him thats all. To pay the money he got, I felt was rediculous. He got paid close to allpro money....which he isn't

Maybe you thought I was comparing him to a scrub, which I wasn't. Its understandable, your view of russel and mine is probably different. No worries.

On the overpaying, the only way I would, is for a top flight free agent. Overpay for a colvin, overpay for a favre (not comparing to colvin...just saying), overpay for a top tier, paying a low end of a middle tier player money close to that which is given to a top tier, isn't overpaying, its ridiculously overpaying. imo.

 

[Ed B]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
How does overpaying average players help you in the long run? I think the opposite would be true.

So true.

They'll eventually <b>hurt</b> themselves with deals like this because they will either need to cut these guys and eat the cap hit or they'll have less flexibility to sign players in the future because their cap space is taken up by overpaid underperformers.

 

[Cards Czar]

Originally posted by RedStorm
That's how my knee feels every morning....LOL

I know how that feels. When i bend over my back sounds like a bowl of Capt. Crunch.

 

[Ryanwb]

Originally posted by Zona99
I know how that feels. When i bend over my back sounds like a bowl of Capt. Crunch.

Thats a great analogy!

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Signing Just To Be Signing

I disagree that the Bengals are just signing to be signing. Colvin and others we looked at or are looking at may be better than the guys the Bengals signed......but I don't think Marvin Lewis is standing blindfolded in front of a dart board plastered with free agent pictures and throwing darts.

Like others have said.....at least they've signed 4......we couldn't hit the board with blindfolds off.....if all our big money we have is useless then we don't even have any darts!!!

 

[mdsisquo]

Originally posted by Ed B
So true.

They'll eventually <b>hurt</b> themselves with deals like this because they will either need to cut these guys and eat the cap hit or they'll have less flexibility to sign players in the future because their cap space is taken up by overpaid underperformers.

Umm, hello, they are doing exactly what many HOPE the cards will do in the "do you care if we over pay" thread. They know that the only ws they will lure quality FA's to cincy is to overpay for them, much like the cards. And everyone seems to be OK with the cards overpaying if we can get some good FA help. So, the overpay for good FA's in the LONG RUN, start winning, establish a winning tradition and then they get the FA's for their actual amount or for less cause the FA's want to be on a winning team, like so many have said is the reason players except less money to play for "contenders". I don't see how this can hurt the bengals. Please tell me how the "plan" many hoped the cardinals would take so they could turn things around, is bad the second worst franchise in the NFL, the bengals. I just don't undertand it. If the cards had made the moves that bengals have made, everyone would be aplauding them!

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by mdsisquo
Umm, hello, they are doing exactly what many HOPE the cards will do in the "do you care if we over pay" thread. They know that the only ws they will lure quality FA's to cincy is to overpay for them, much like the cards. And everyone seems to be OK with the cards overpaying if we can get some good FA help. So, the overpay for good FA's in the LONG RUN, start winning, establish a winning tradition and then they get the FA's for their actual amount or for less cause the FA's want to be on a winning team, like so many have said is the reason players except less money to play for "contenders". I don't see how this can hurt the bengals. Please tell me how the "plan" many hoped the cardinals would take so they could turn things around, is bad the second worst franchise in the NFL, the bengals. I just don't undertand it. If the cards had made the moves that bengals have made, everyone would be aplauding them!

Sorry MD but thats the whole pt we dont mind overpaying as long as its good FA help. The only one of the guys the Bengals signed that I would call good was Thornton and he was just good nothing special!

The other two are huge ? marks!