Let's talk about Simmons

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  1. football karma

    football karma Happy in the pretense of knowledge

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    unicorn measureables + college production + high competition. hard not to like that.

    Im not bothered by concerns over lack of a position. Teams are playing nickel d 60% of the snaps, and I suspect that number will go up over time.

    I have no problem playing him at safety vs run oriented personnel -- and having him drop down vs passing personnel. I think it gives the D a degree of adaptability that most dont have.
     
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    Drafting a bigger, faster D-Wash; a guy being compared to Urlacher and one whose talents match today's game.... is a bad, bad idea!
     
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    You don’t watch a lot of football huh
     
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    Dr. Jones Has No Time For Love

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    I can't believe anyone would try and crush Simmons to prop up their desire to draft an OT. We get it...... It's a big deal.

    It's like if I said Nick Bosa SUCKS we must draft Kyler!!! There is literally zero evidence of it being true.

    I think there are three people worth going "Eff it..... this dude is a freak of nature" in this draft. Young, Okudah, & Simmons. After that..... Just get the best player on your board who you think will be an All-Pro candidate for the next 10 years please.
     
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    I also think that Simmons being there at 8 probably means at least one OT, and maybe two, went in the top 7.

    the choice then is really about Simmons vs what might be the 3rd rated OT on your board ( and maybe 18th rated player overall or something like that)
     
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    Never even crossed my mind.

    I also mind it amusing how many people are defending Simmons like he was their Brother.

    I said I like Simmons. I just feel he's a bit over hyped based on his insane physicals. That's all.

    People don't need to start getting all pissy.
     
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    How can you defend yourself by saying "You always liked him" on one hand but then continually disparage him with inaccurate or misleading stats on the other? Obviously you are trying to advocate for what you think the teams direction should be...... you just don't need to mislead the masses to prove your point.

    The problem is..... You can't prove the point with tape for any of the OT prospects, and you can't prove it with measurables unless you try and prop up Becton or Wirfs. Two tackle prospects with obvious holes in their tape and college scheme.
     
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    Most teams have one board, stacked vertically and horizontally. Teams use positional value, current roster composition, and need to separate in each grouping. Between this, scheme fit, and required measurables teams are able to have a draft board of 150 players and never hit the bottom of it.
     
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    Definition provides ample wriggle room:

    BPA generally means "best player available regardless of position need."

    SK has said that he modifies that definition to incorporate ""position-fit" into each player's overall rating and also says that - if a cluster of players have simlar ratings, they may choose a player who doesn't have the highest rating if he fits better.

    And Coach Kingsbury recently defined BPA as "the player who can best help our team."

    So go figure.
     
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    Harry ASFN Consultant and Senior Writer

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    I think this is a false dichotomy that rule changes have invalidated. Since the advent of the cap, virtually all teams look at their needs then considers the BPAs that fill those needs. Of course QB has never been part of this consideration. In this case, however, the Cards have so many needs virtually all positions could be considered need. So I think you take a player who makes the players around him better. That would be Simmons. The offense has to account for him on every play. He would add so much flexibility to the defense, he would make it tough on the offense and since that offense wouldn’t always know his intentions he would free the other players to be more aggressive. He would also have the ability to neutralize most TEs. It should be noted that the less your opponent scores the less pressure there is on your QB. This would give you more play calling flexibility on offense if you’re not always playing from behind. This guy is a game changer.

    I’m okay, if Simmons is gone, with taking a top RT. However, my preference is still trading down. This is a gamble but there’s at least 6 players that should be there if the Cards drop down. All of whom would provide depth. They won’t all be gone by the Cards’ acquired pick. You can’t diminish the value of a mid to low second. This is a solid draft. That second pick would add key depth to another thin position. I wouldn’t go below 15, but the risk is minimal if you believe Humphries will work at LT. Next year’s draft has outstanding OTs. Murray at RT is adequate since KM is right handed. Murray may well get better and he’s already near average. If you ask KM, he’d rather have Lamb. That’s not hype, it’s confidence.
     
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    Continuously disparage him? It's the first time I mentioned his name to my recollection.

    I only mentioned one stat, and that was snaps played at each position. I saw figures of 72, someone else said 125. Does half a game really make a difference to the point?

    I'm not trying to do anything except give my opinion on Simmons being overhyped. I think he's a top 15 player. I don't buy him as top 5. I wouldn't cry at #8. But people need to understand it's very much a projection at ILB.
     
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    FYI I'd make all these same points about Mekhi Becton.

    A guy who if he was 310lbs with the same tape wouldn't sniff the 1st round.
     
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    Simmons tape and production AT CLEMSON doesn’t lie. Your trying to act like he’s a work out warrior who just popped up on the scene. He’s been mocked in the top 10 since before the combine.

    just stop
     
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    TheCardFan Things have changed.

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    If CeeDee Lamb was 5'8" we wouldn't be talking about him either.
     
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    Some Mocks have him going to NY Giants but I think there GM Gettlemen will trade down. The Panthers are another team that might take Simmons. I really hope he drops to 8 and the Cardinals run to the podium.
     

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