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So, what are your thoughts? Super dangerous? Nothing to worry about? Somewhere inbetween?

I am learning that they are present in quite a few baby products and I am pretty concerned about it.
 

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I don't know, but I sure would like to avoid them. Monsanto says they're fine, which is the main reason I am certain they're not.
 

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So, what are your thoughts? Super dangerous? Nothing to worry about? Somewhere inbetween?

I am learning that they are present in quite a few baby products and I am pretty concerned about it.

I'm not too concerned about them, but I do read objectively. Scientific evidence overwhelmingly shows that they are safe, so until a reputable scientific study shows otherwise, I won't be freaking out about them.

Ask just about any scientist if GMOs are bad for our health and he or she will say, “Probably not.” That’s because no reputable studies have shown any negative health effects of eating GMOs, at least so far. And scientists around the world continue to look for any evidence of risk or unintended consequences.

“Europe is famous for being the place with the greatest objection to GM crops, so I think it’s instructive that the European Union spent nearly $300 million to study the impacts of GMOs, and what they concluded was that essentially there is no substantial difference between GM and non-GM crops in terms of either food safety or environmental impact,” said Roush.

Indeed, the EU report, published in 2010, stated, “The main conclusion to be drawn from the efforts of more than 130 research projects, covering a period of more than 25 years of research, and involving more than 500 independent research groups, is that biotechnology, and in particular GMOs, are not per se more risky than e.g. conventional plant breeding technologies (5).”

A separate review of the scientific literature published in 2014 examined animal health in particular. The review examined data on over 100 billion animals following the introduction of GM foods and found no “unfavorable or perturbed trends in livestock health and productivity (3).” In fact, during the period studied, animal health and growth efficiency actually improved.

Also this:
Ott noted that some of the concern about the health effects of GMOs may be due to a study—which was flawed and later retracted—claiming that feeding GM corn to mice caused them to develop tumors. However, he said, much of the concern is generated from claims of risks found ubiquitously on the Internet and social media posted by individuals opposing the use of the technology or by people selling non-GM foods.
http://agsci.psu.edu/magazine/articles/2015/spring-summer/the-science-of-gmos

I see the anti-GMO movement similarly to how I view the anti-vaccine movement. I trust the science, until I'm convinced otherwise.
 
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I'm not too concerned about them, but I do read objectively. Scientific evidence overwhelmingly shows that they are safe, so until a reputable scientific study shows otherwise, I won't be freaking out about them..

Concern about the widespread use of GMO's are not just related to safety. There are major political and global power issues that come in to play as well. We know Monsanto doesn't play nice and also owns Washington, so it's not so surprising that we don't hear about many studies critical of GMO's. A former Monsanto lobbyist is running Hillary's campaign, so the roots are firmly in place.
 

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Concern about the widespread use of GMO's are not just related to safety. There are major political and global power issues that come in to play as well. We know Monsanto doesn't play nice and also owns Washington, so it's not so surprising that we don't hear about many studies critical of GMO's. A former Monsanto lobbyist is running Hillary's campaign, so the roots are firmly in place.

It's a corporation, of course it won't play nice. Most don't. The concern from OP appeared to be health related, which is what I answered. I'll maintain a healthy level of mistrust on what Monsanto, or any other corporation looking out for its own interest says, but the science has not come out with anything to concern me at this point. Also the link I posted has this at the end:

Funding, Disclosure, and Transparency
The scientists quoted in this story have not received money from companies, such as Monsanto, Dow AgriSciences, Syngenta, or Bayer. The scientists feel that the data from the studies mentioned in this story speak for themselves about the costs and benefits of GMOs to humans and the environment. Here, they attempt to share those unbiased data with readers.
 

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I'm not too concerned about them, but I do read objectively. Scientific evidence overwhelmingly shows that they are safe, so until a reputable scientific study shows otherwise, I won't be freaking out about them.



Also this:

http://agsci.psu.edu/magazine/articles/2015/spring-summer/the-science-of-gmos

I see the anti-GMO movement similarly to how I view the anti-vaccine movement. I trust the science, until I'm convinced otherwise.


This is my position also. The only information that we have that says they are not safe is either from a bad study, or from some health food websites anecdotal evidence or out of the mouths of essential oil pyramid schemers.
 

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GMOs are the only chance we have to solve worldwide hunger.



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I think it's more important to require GMO labeling; let the consumer decide.
 

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I think it's more important to require GMO labeling; let the consumer decide.

Unfortunately the tide seems to be going out on that issue. A bill is on it's way to the senate that would not allow any GMO labeling requirements.

http://www.justlabelit.org/action-center/take-action-congress/

Representatives Mike Pompeo (R-Kan.) and G. K. Butterfield (D-N.C.) have introduced legislation that the consumer rights community have dubbed the “Deny Americans the Right-to-Know” Act (DARK Act) that has just passed the House of Representatives and will be introduced in the Senate soon.

The “Denying Americans the Right-to-Know” (DARK) Act would.
•Preempt states from requiring labeling of GMO food.
•Virtually eliminate FDA’s ability to craft a national GMO labeling system.
•Codify the current, broken voluntary labeling system.
•Create a GMO “safety” review system based on industry science.
•Allow “natural” foods to contain GMO ingredients and preempt state efforts to end misleading “natural” claims.
 

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Yep, I think it's crap. One more reason I don't trust GMOs.
 

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Unfortunately the tide seems to be going out on that issue. A bill is on it's way to the senate that would not allow any GMO labeling requirements.

http://www.justlabelit.org/action-center/take-action-congress/

Representatives Mike Pompeo (R-Kan.) and G. K. Butterfield (D-N.C.) have introduced legislation that the consumer rights community have dubbed the “Deny Americans the Right-to-Know” Act (DARK Act) that has just passed the House of Representatives and will be introduced in the Senate soon.

The “Denying Americans the Right-to-Know” (DARK) Act would.
•Preempt states from requiring labeling of GMO food.
•Virtually eliminate FDA’s ability to craft a national GMO labeling system.
•Codify the current, broken voluntary labeling system.
•Create a GMO “safety” review system based on industry science.
•Allow “natural” foods to contain GMO ingredients and preempt state efforts to end misleading “natural” claims.

The government going out of its way to hide the truth is always a red flag.
 

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So, what are your thoughts? Super dangerous? Nothing to worry about? Somewhere inbetween?

I am learning that they are present in quite a few baby products and I am pretty concerned about it.

how old is your baby? We always made our own baby food in a blender out of vegetables. Once she could pick things up we would steam veggies until soft, chop them up and let her eat them. Still doing similar things but she is 13 months now so we do sauteing and etc for her now.

Avoid the baby food, stick to making it yourself out of veggies and you will have less to worry about.

However the snacks like banana chips, baby granola bars and etc, might be screwed on getting those non GMO.
 

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I think the biggest concern with Monsanto is the use of Roundup and other pesticides and herbicides.
 
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how old is your baby? We always made our own baby food in a blender out of vegetables. Once she could pick things up we would steam veggies until soft, chop them up and let her eat them. Still doing similar things but she is 13 months now so we do sauteing and etc for her now.

Avoid the baby food, stick to making it yourself out of veggies and you will have less to worry about.

However the snacks like banana chips, baby granola bars and etc, might be screwed on getting those non GMO.

She's three months. I totally plan to make my own baby food. I'm getting a Cuisinart soon. I already have containers with which to freeze the food as well as a baby food cookbook.

The whole thing about GMOs started when I got a coupon in the mail from a formula company tauting their new GMO-free formula. I was like WTH? I thought all baby formula was non-GMO. So I looked at the formula I was gonna start her on and corn syrup solids was the first ingredient. I was horrified. I guess I was just way too naive about assuming things for babies were okay.

The whole thing has made me a lot more cognizant of ingredients. I even bought reading glasses so I can read the ingredients lists on foods. :p
 

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She's three months. I totally plan to make my own baby food. I'm getting a Cuisinart soon. I already have containers with which to freeze the food as well as a baby food cookbook.

The whole thing about GMOs started when I got a coupon in the mail from a formula company tauting their new GMO-free formula. I was like WTH? I thought all baby formula was non-GMO. So I looked at the formula I was gonna start her on and corn syrup solids was the first ingredient. I was horrified. I guess I was just way too naive about assuming things for babies were okay.

The whole thing has made me a lot more cognizant of ingredients. I even bought reading glasses so I can read the ingredients lists on foods. [emoji14]
We did similac, never considered reading ingredients
 

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GMOs are the only chance we have to solve worldwide hunger.



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Not necessarily. We could stop eating so much meat, end deforestation, vastly improve water quality, and feed the world.

In a utopian poly-cultural agriculture system, GMO's arent needed, at least not in the sense that they started as, pesticide resistant.

I dont want to eat GMO's because I know they have been sprayed to the 9s with chemicals that we know are bad for you. The GMO portion of it concerns me much less.
 

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World hunger is the only solution we have to overpopulation. It's an offensive thought, but consider a world without disease and hunger. What would happen next? An inconceivable explosion in population, instantly.
 
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We did similac, never considered reading ingredients

Similac is the one that sent me the non-GMO coupon. Enfamil Gentle Ease was the one with corn syrup solids as the first ingredient, though even organic/natural formula seems to have that listed as its first ingredient in their sensitive/gentle formulas.
 

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I trust the science, until I'm convinced otherwise.

There seems to be a lot of cooks in the kitchen......

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http://www.alternet.org/food/monsan...t-solicited-academics-fight-their-pro-gmo-war

Thousands of emails reveal how the biotech giant enlisted public university academics to prop up their massive PR machine.

October 15, 2015

The Monsanto public relations machine has done a stellar job in recent years of reducing the GMO debate to one that pits “pro-science advocates” against “anti-science climate-denier types” — with Monsanto portrayed as being squarely planted in the pro-science camp. But that well-oiled machine may be starting to sputter.

Turns out that Monsanto executive solicited pro-GMO articles from university researchers, and passed the “research” off as independent science which the biotech giant then used to prop up its image and further its agenda. We know this, thanks to thousands of pages of emails obtained by U.S. Right to Know (USRTK) under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). And because a host of news outlets—including the New York Times, the Boston Globe, Bloomberg, the StarPhoenix and others — are now running with the story.

For anyone who has paid attention, this latest scandal should come as no surprise. As Steven Druker writes in his book Altered Genes, Twisted Truth, "For more than 30 years, hundreds (if not thousands) of biotech advocates within scientific institutions, government bureaus, and corporate offices throughout the world have systematically compromised science and contorted the facts to foster the growth of genetic engineering, and get the foods it produces, onto our dinner plates.”

The story behind the story

USRTK, a nonprofit funded almost entirely by the Organic Consumers Association, launched an investigation into “the collusion between Big Food, its front groups, and university faculty and staff to deliver industry PR to the public.”

As part of its ongoing investigation, the group filed FOIA requests to obtain the emails and documents from 43 public university faculty and staff. The requested documents included records from scientists, economists, law professors, extension specialists and communicators — all of whom, as the group points out, were conducting work in public institutions, all funded by taxpayers.

On its website, the group says, "We believe the public deserves to know more about the flow of money and level of coordination between public university scientists and other academics, and the agrichemical and food companies whose interests they promote."

And now we do. And we know exactly how the latest plan to deceive, involving a paid PR firm posing as an independent third party, was hatched. According to Mother Jones, in an August 2013 email to nine prominent academics, Monsanto's strategic engagement lead Eric Sachs broached a plan: that the group would pen "short policy briefs on important topics in the agricultural biotechnology arena," chosen "because of their influence on public policy, GM crop regulation, and consumer acceptance."

Sachs assured the professors that the project would be handled discreetly. Two outside entities — an industry-funded group called the American Council on Science and Health and a PR outfit called CMA — would "manage the process of producing the policy briefs," "coordinate website posting and promotion," and "merchandize" the briefs by helping turn them into "op-eds, blog postings, speaking engagements, events, webinars, etc." This third-party management is "an important element," the Monsanto exec added, "because Monsanto wants the authors to communicate freely without involvement by Monsanto."

In a September 5 article, New York Times reporter Eric Lipton credited USRTK with obtaining “thousands of pages” of emails, many of which the Times then requested on its own. After reviewing the documents, and describing some of the email exchanges between Monsanto’s PR firm and academics who were solicited to write articles, Lipton concluded that Monsanto’s strategy was effective:

The efforts have helped produce important payoffs, including the approval by federal regulators of new genetically modified seeds after academic experts intervened with the United States Department of Agriculture on the industry’s behalf, the emails show. Lipton singled out, among others, Kevin Folta, chairman of the horticultural sciences department at the University of Florida. Monsanto recruited Folta, Lipton wrote, ”to help with ‘biotechnology outreach’ and to travel around the country to defend genetically modified foods.”

Folta, who according to the Times became “part of an inner circle of industry consultants, lobbyists and executives who devised strategy on how to block state efforts to mandate G.M.O. labeling and, most recently, on how to get Congress to pass legislation that would pre-empt any state from taking such a step, received a $25,0000 grant from Monsanto to fund his travel and “outreach.” According to Bloomberg, the University of Florida donated the $25,000 to charity — after the Times story ran.

Despite the grant, and the incriminating emails revealed by the Times, Folta has long denied any “formal connection” to Monsanto. (USRTK provides a list of Folta’s many denials).

The Times also singled out Bruce M. Chassy, a professor emeritus at the University of Illinois, who in 2011 received a grant for an undisclosed amount to support “biotechnology outreach and education activities." Emails obtained by the Times reveal that Chassy and a Monsanto executive talked about efforts to persuade the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to “abandon its proposal to tighten the regulation of pesticides used on insect-resistant seeds."


A Bloomberg report focused on how the Genetic Literacy Project, a clearly pro-GMO nonprofit that says its mission is “to disentangle science from ideology,” published articles by the scientists on its website, without disclosing that the articles had been solicited by Monsanto and its PR firm.

Taking the local angle approach, a reporter for the Boston Globe focused on a Harvard professor caught up in the scandal. Reporter Laura Krantz wrote, "A Harvard Kennedy School professor wrote a widely disseminated policy paper last year in support of genetically modified organisms at the behest of seed giant Monsanto, without disclosing his connection, e-mails show."

Professor Calestous Jumanot is author of an article titled “Global Risks of Rejecting Agricultural Biotechnology,” published on the Genetic Literacy website. According to the Globe, in an email to Jumanot, Monsanto’s Eric Sachs, head of regulatory policy and scientific affairs suggested a topic, a summary and a headline. Jumanot chose a different headline, but the gist of the article conformed to the PR firm’s agenda.

As the Globe, the Times and others outlined, Jumanot was one of nine professors who received emails from Sachs. Jumanot told the Globe, which had also previously reported on Jumanot’s connection to Monsanto, that it was the publication’s responsibility, not his, to disclose the connection. In the end, neither did.
 

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I think it's more important to require GMO labeling; let the consumer decide.

Here's my problem with that. If GMO's are indeed safe, yet a significant number of people believe otherwise, forcing companies to label their products will harm their business. It's not fair to place warning labels on things that are safe.

Myths of science are hard to shake once they get introduced into the population. Ask the anti-vaccination crowd about that, or the small "flat earther" group of morons. Hell, people still believe shaving causes your hair to grow back thicker.
 

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It's not a warning label. It's just a "Contains GMOs" just like "GMO-free".

Contains: Dairy, Soy, Wheat, GMOs.
 

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Here's my problem with that. If GMO's are indeed safe, yet a significant number of people believe otherwise, forcing companies to label their products will harm their business. It's not fair to place warning labels on things that are safe.

A lot of folks think High Fructose Corn Syrup and many other ingredients are not "safe" and therefore avoid those product. That harms business. So do you have a problem with ingredient listings too?

People should have a right to know what they are consuming. Screw these companies! They should adapt to consumer demand, not the other way around.
 

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