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Yeah, i should've qualified my post to note that i wasn't just responding to you, but to the general tenor of the board lately.

You don't have to look far around here to learn that the Cards have the worst GM, a terrible HC with a scheme that will never work in the NFL and an inability to adapt. They had a useless draft and lousy free agency moves, leaving them with an old, overpriced, untalented roster and no hope to compete now or in the future. And let's not forget the incompetent DC and inability to develop players.

Is there some truth to everything above? Sure! Yet the team has improved the last two years and, though it was in disappointing fashion, went 8-8. The stats you posted show that they were average in 2020, and we all want them to be better than that. But the ownership, management, coaching, scheme, and talent can't ALL be terrible relative to the rest of the league.

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That’s why your aggregation of everyone’s opinions into a single frankenASFNer doesn’t hold water. Very few posters hold all of those beliefs at once.

for example: I believe keim and kliff suck *** and I believe our rbs are a weak point and our wrs outside of nuk are retreads or unprovens. But I think our oline is pretty good, our defense is much improved and our QB play (both passing and rushing) can be special. And those three items, with some luck here and there, can mask a lot of those listed shortcomings.
 

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Let's not pretend like it's only Kliff's scheme either. His decision making overall leaves a lot to be desired so far.

He has a massive tendency to play conservative football with a late lead, that almost always back fires. Even being narrowly behind he can do it with enough time left. Going for the field goal on the 49 vs Miami after 3 consecutive conservative plays will forever stick in my craw. He should never have been playing for a FG there.

Then there are roster decisions like Streveler as #2 over Hundley. Which I believe cost us the Ram's game.

It's all on Kliff next season. If he fixes his issue's it will be a good year, if not then he's going to hold this roster back again.
 

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lol, the thing is, not everybody believes all those negatives at the same time (Well, probably @Solar7 does)

You get guys that think Keim sucks and the draft sucks but Kliff, FA and the roster are ok.

You get guys that think the roster sucks, FA sucks but the draft was good. So on and so forth, you get the idea.

So if you take the whole board you can probably find 25% of the whole think every area sucks. Just not the same 25% for each.

Personally, I like the draft, but I like most drafts until the rubber hits the road. I like the roster bar CB and TE. I'm ambivalent on Keim because I think we only get Keim lite of some internal nodding dog if he goes so why stress it?

My biggest concern for this year is Kliff and Kyler, mostly Kliff because what Kyler does is really a subset of Kliff's ability. This article isn't wrong. There are some big issues with this passing scheme that need to be resolved for us to be challengers.

What I don't know, and I'm interested to find out, is if Kliff has purposefully been restricting the offense and playing this system to help Kyler adjust or whether this is just his offense exactly how he intends it to be.

I think Kyler is holding the offense back alot, but he also has special qualities that really help the offense.

It's year three, we can expect a major leap forward from the kid.

This is why I don't beat up Kliff that much, I think he is playing with a handicapped deck ATM. I do think his calls in late game situations have been suspect however.
 

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What I don't know, and I'm interested to find out, is if Kliff has purposefully been restricting the offense and playing this system to help Kyler adjust or whether this is just his offense exactly how he intends it to be.

this question

my optimistic side says lack of offseason / preseason limited the amount of variation K1 could run off base offense last year.

i have to believe that all the stuff noted by PFF was learned by defensive coordinators looking at the Cards within the first 5 games of 2019, and was well known by the Cardinal coaching staff as well.

I think Kirk and Moore in the slot will help. With Fitz in the slot -- there was no threat of him beating people down the field. Kirk and probably Moore present that threat. Moore should give some RAC ability as well. Kirk is confounding. For such a good return and RAC guy in college -- he avoids contact to the extreme. im not expecting Derek Henry out of him, but the team needs more.

Fun fact: between Kirk and Fitz, they had 102 receptions between them. Number of broken tackles on those 102 catches? 1.


the last thing on the second half of last year was they faced lots of 7 man fronts, but didnt run the ball well. In the first half, they were making teams pay for two high safeties with an extra DB. they averaged ~170 yards a game rushing in the first 9 games (6-3) but only 102 for the last 7. Of those last 7 games, there was only one where they would behind and had to pass (LAR #1) -- every other game was a close game where they could stay balanced. They tried -- but couldnt.
 

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I'm a huge Kyler fan, skeptical of Kliff when he was hired. However, I think its Kyler who amplifies the issues. He's short (which is fine if you have a great feel for where everyone is) and doesnt have that elite vision. He also isnt the scramble around and make throws on the run that covered up flaws in the air raid like Mahomes and Manziel.

Basically, Kyler needs to evolve into Russell Wilson.

Its as I said that Kyler was never really a 4 wide guy in college. In fact he struggled with this (albeit a freshman) at Texas A&M in college. However, he wanted Rondale Moore. So maybe he's ready to run the 4 wide offense. And I dont blame Kliff for going down with what he knows.
 
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Let's not pretend like it's only Kliff's scheme either. His decision making overall leaves a lot to be desired so far.

He has a massive tendency to play conservative football with a late lead, that almost always back fires. Even being narrowly behind he can do it with enough time left. Going for the field goal on the 49 vs Miami after 3 consecutive conservative plays will forever stick in my craw. He should never have been playing for a FG there.

Then there are roster decisions like Streveler as #2 over Hundley. Which I believe cost us the Ram's game.

It's all on Kliff next season. If he fixes his issue's it will be a good year, if not then he's going to hold this roster back again.
I dislike Kliff, but it’s kind of amazing you’re blaming that Dolphins loss on anyone but Vance & mostly Zane.
 

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this question

my optimistic side says lack of offseason / preseason limited the amount of variation K1 could run off base offense last year.

i have to believe that all the stuff noted by PFF was learned by defensive coordinators looking at the Cards within the first 5 games of 2019, and was well known by the Cardinal coaching staff as well.

I think Kirk and Moore in the slot will help. With Fitz in the slot -- there was no threat of him beating people down the field. Kirk and probably Moore present that threat. Moore should give some RAC ability as well. Kirk is confounding. For such a good return and RAC guy in college -- he avoids contact to the extreme. im not expecting Derek Henry out of him, but the team needs more.

Fun fact: between Kirk and Fitz, they had 102 receptions between them. Number of broken tackles on those 102 catches? 1.


the last thing on the second half of last year was they faced lots of 7 man fronts, but didnt run the ball well. In the first half, they were making teams pay for two high safeties with an extra DB. they averaged ~170 yards a game rushing in the first 9 games (6-3) but only 102 for the last 7. Of those last 7 games, there was only one where they would behind and had to pass (LAR #1) -- every other game was a close game where they could stay balanced. They tried -- but couldnt.

I hope this is the case. There are some things that make me skeptical. For example, there no reason we can't use more motion and move guys around. These things help Kyler so I can't see any reason to play the way we do.

Which makes me believe that this is just how Kliff is, which is concerning.
 

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I dislike Kliff, but it’s kind of amazing you’re blaming that Dolphins loss on anyone but Vance & mostly Zane.

Oh there's blame to go around, especially Vance. But Kliff played his part. He had that game in his grasp and the option to kill it off and seal the win. Instead he played 3 poor downs thinking a 49 yard FG was automatic.

Even if we make that kick the Fins would have tied it up with a FG of their own.
 

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Oh there's blame to go around, especially Vance. But Kliff played his part. He had that game in his grasp and the option to kill it off and seal the win. Instead he played 3 poor downs thinking a 49 yard FG was automatic.

Even if we make that kick the Fins would have tied it up with a FG of their own.

yup. Case in point of a GOOD coach in that situation was the Buffalo game against us. Late In the fourth, less than two minutes to go, Down 3, they marched into FG range pretty easy. Did they then raise the white flag and settle for a long field goal? No, they kept attacking and instead of a FG to tie they scored a TD to take the lead with the 20 seconds left that would have won them the game if not for us pulling out a miracle on the last play.

Kliff was down 3, the offense was rolling all second half, was doing so again getting to the 30 yard line and then he just sat on the ball. No plays downfield. He settled for a long FG with a shaky FG kicker and didn’t even grind clock out to make sure the Dolphins wouldn’t have had time left to go back down and end the game in regulation anyway.

that was a total team loss and our HC getting conservative and laying up for a tie with a long FG instead of going for the jugular contributed to it.
 

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I'm a huge Kyler fan, skeptical of Kliff when he was hired. However, I think its Kyler who amplifies the issues. He's short (which is fine if you have a great feel for where everyone is) and doesnt have that elite vision. He also isnt the scramble around and make throws on the run that covered up flaws in the air raid like Mahomes and Manziel.

Basically, Kyler needs to evolve into Russell Wilson.

Its as I said that Kyler was never really a 4 wide guy in college. In fact he struggled with this (albeit a freshman) at Texas A&M in college. However, he wanted Rondale Moore. So maybe he's ready to run the 4 wide offense. And I dont blame Kliff for going down with what he knows.

I think you're overreading this. Guys support the dudes they see/know. IMO, this is 100% more about him working out at EOS or whatever the training center is than anything else.
 

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lol, the thing is, not everybody believes all those negatives at the same time (Well, probably @Solar7 does)

You get guys that think Keim sucks and the draft sucks but Kliff, FA and the roster are ok.

You get guys that think the roster sucks, FA sucks but the draft was good. So on and so forth, you get the idea.

So if you take the whole board you can probably find 25% of the whole think every area sucks. Just not the same 25% for each.

Personally, I like the draft, but I like most drafts until the rubber hits the road. I like the roster bar CB and TE. I'm ambivalent on Keim because I think we only get Keim lite of some internal nodding dog if he goes so why stress it?

My biggest concern for this year is Kliff and Kyler, mostly Kliff because what Kyler does is really a subset of Kliff's ability. This article isn't wrong. There are some big issues with this passing scheme that need to be resolved for us to be challengers.

What I don't know, and I'm interested to find out, is if Kliff has purposefully been restricting the offense and playing this system to help Kyler adjust or whether this is just his offense exactly how he intends it to be.
I mean, I guess I'm close to feeling like all of those things are that way, but not really.

I think Keim can't draft but credit him for being very solid with trades.
I think the draft might net some alright players but overall was misguided at the top, solid later on.
I think Kliff sucks but will get a chance to be an NFL OC and will have some strong years when he can just focus on refining his offensive scheme and not the things that come with being HC.
I think FA acquired some okay players, some terrible ones, and getting Hudson was great, and understand to some degree our approach was hamstrung by a pandemic. But it's very old and not all of those guys will hold up.

All in all, I think both the short term and long term future of this franchise feels very much like it's treading water. With the current personnel, coaching, and strategy, we'll be somewhere between 6-11 and 10-7 (did I do that right? 17 games hurting my brain) every year. Just barely enough to hunt for a wild card and first round exit.
 
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