Jeremiyah Love No Matter What

[Russ Smith]

I think Love is just different and therefore justifies at least being considered for pick #3. There are a handful of players who have the ability to “outrun” defensive schemes and angles. The running backs who currently do that are Gibbs in Detroit and Achane in Miami. Past backs who could do that were Jamal Charles, Chris Johnson, Bo Jackson, and Eric Dickerson. Willis McGahee could do that until the horrible knee injury. Love consistently did that at Notre Dame. He would break free and safeties with advantageous angles would just get left in the dust. That is an extremely rare and frightening thing for a defense to deal with. Add on that Love is just a tremendous receiving threat and you have justification to take him at #3.

Yep might surprise some but I'm a huge Achane fan, no really I am. And Love is the closest thing to Achane I've seen in college. I don't know if he runs as well between the tackles as Achane does, and as I said before he hurdles too much that concerns me for long term injury potential but exactly what you said his speed and acceleration is so impressive he just outruns angles

 

[Chopper0080]

Here is the thing...

LAst year - Ashton Jeanty
2023 - Bijan and Jamyr
2022 - Breece Hall / Ken Walker
2020 - J Taylor
2019 - Josh Jacobs
2018 - Saquon
2017 - CMC
2016 - Zeke and King Henry

None of that is counting Achane, James Cook, and some other starters.

Seems like there are consistently special RBs available in the draft. I'd argue that makes Love less of a "special" player.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I totally get all the reasons to NOT want a RB drafted #3 overall - I just don't trust Monti to be able to trade down and succeed, and there aren't any obvious choices at #3.

I hate this draft - to have ZERO studs at LT/edge/corner at #3 overall is just stunning.

 

[Stout]

Good luck with your surgery...the nurse will be shaving your elbow...LOL
And I always wanted to ask, we know you don't like the stillers but are you an Eagles fan?

Ahhh, I get it now....full beard, so much easier to adjust your look after the Simpson at 3 massacre...LOL

Nah, not an Iggles fan. Did my duty representing the Cards both at the old stadium and the new back in the day.

 

[HerefortheCards]

I totally get all the reasons to NOT want a RB drafted #3 overall - I just don't trust Monti to be able to trade down and succeed, and there aren't any obvious choices at #3.

I hate this draft - to have ZERO studs at LT/edge/corner at #3 overall is just stunning.

You don’t think Bailey is a stud or you think the Jets are going to take him?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

You don’t think Bailey is a stud or you think the Jets are going to take him?

I think he's gone at 3. He also doesn't seem to be a Will Anderson level talent.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

I totally get all the reasons to NOT want a RB drafted #3 overall - I just don't trust Monti to be able to trade down and succeed, and there aren't any obvious choices at #3.

I hate this draft - to have ZERO studs at LT/edge/corner at #3 overall is just stunning.

Imho a large part of it is the NIL system thats reduced a lot of incentive to declare early for the draft or leave college early and in a way I just cant blame the players

 

[kerouac9]

Imho a large part of it is the NIL system thats reduced a lot of incentive to declare early for the draft or leave college early and in a way I just cant blame the players

Yeah but the guys in the first two rounds are gonna make more money as a pro anyway. It shouldn’t affect the top of the draft or, really, the middle rounds; just will just come out a year later.

We’ll have to wait a few more years before really looking at perverse incentives for NIL. It should be good for the QB position in particular because these guys are coming out with way more experience.

 

[Solar7]

Here is the thing...

LAst year - Ashton Jeanty
2023 - Bijan and Jamyr
2022 - Breece Hall / Ken Walker
2020 - J Taylor
2019 - Josh Jacobs
2018 - Saquon
2017 - CMC
2016 - Zeke and King Henry

None of that is counting Achane, James Cook, and some other starters.

Seems like there are consistently special RBs available in the draft. I'd argue that makes Love less of a "special" player.

I'm not trying to talk out of both sides of my mouth here, but that list misses a few other great prospects, while also unfortunately ignoring that some of them went in the 2nd round and just happened to end up being really good. That 2022 Draft had Breece, Walker, and Cook in the 2nd.

In 2020, you're giving Taylor the credit for being an elite back, even though he went in the 2nd and was the third RB off the board. So, it's kinda a matter of lucking out in this case.

2021 brought us 3 highly drafted RBs that aren't with their original team anymore.

So, how many special RBs are really available year-to-year? Certainly this year isn't one. There's Love, and then a legitimate chance no one goes until day 3.

Love's also only being discussed here because the rest of the draft is so weak.

 

[CardsFan88]

Yep might surprise some but I'm a huge Achane fan, no really I am. And Love is the closest thing to Achane I've seen in college. I don't know if he runs as well between the tackles as Achane does, and as I said before he hurdles too much that concerns me for long term injury potential but exactly what you said his speed and acceleration is so impressive he just outruns angles

Love is 3 1/2 inches taller and ~24 lbs heavier as well.

Longer arms than Bain as well.

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[Russ Smith]

Love is 3 1/2 inches taller and ~24 lbs heavier as well.

Longer arms than Bain as well.

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Achane is probably getting a new contract somewhere in the 15-18 per year range.Miami said they won't trade him there are still rumors they might.

But yeah the difference between the 2 is size, Love is quite a bit bigger. Achane is an outlier he and Gibbs are the most explosive RB's in the NFL that are on the small side, Bijan and Taylor are blazing fast and bigger, Love projects to be somewhere in between them. I love Achane and Gibbs but it's probably not realistic to expect them to be this good for too long because of their size. Gibbs and Achane both get a ton of work both carries and receptions, they're not 300 carry guys but they are high usage players.

 

[Goldfield]

Here is the thing...

LAst year - Ashton Jeanty
2023 - Bijan and Jamyr
2022 - Breece Hall / Ken Walker
2020 - J Taylor
2019 - Josh Jacobs
2018 - Saquon
2017 - CMC
2016 - Zeke and King Henry

None of that is counting Achane, James Cook, and some other starters.

Seems like there are consistently special RBs available in the draft. I'd argue that makes Love less of a "special" player.

Damn it. Can’t argue that at all

 

[Chopper0080]

It has more

I'm not trying to talk out of both sides of my mouth here, but that list misses a few other great prospects, while also unfortunately ignoring that some of them went in the 2nd round and just happened to end up being really good. That 2022 Draft had Breece, Walker, and Cook in the 2nd.

In 2020, you're giving Taylor the credit for being an elite back, even though he went in the 2nd and was the third RB off the board. So, it's kinda a matter of lucking out in this case.

2021 brought us 3 highly drafted RBs that aren't with their original team anymore.

So, how many special RBs are really available year-to-year? Certainly this year isn't one. There's Love, and then a legitimate chance no one goes until day 3.

Love's also only being discussed here because the rest of the draft is so weak

It has more to do with really good RBs being available in the draft year after year which makes Love less special and just the most likely next hit that nearly every draft offers

 

[oaken1]

It has more



It has more to do with really good RBs being available in the draft year after year which makes Love less special and just the most likely next hit that nearly every draft offers

That can be said for nearly every position in the draft....

for me...its HoF potential...do I think a player has the "IT" factor.

I do in fact think Love has "IT"...I think due to "IT" he will not only produce, he will do so for a longer term in years than most players at his position... and because of "IT" he will show to be more durable than most backs, suffer fewer injuries, and recover faster from those injuries.

Non quantifiable, I know...maybe, "Feels" based,..possibly.
Adrian Peterson had "IT", among a bevy of others... but a guy coming into the league and posting a few 1200 yard seasons does not give him "IT"
.
while guys with "IT" may never hit 1500 yards,...they will give 900 to 1300 on the ground consistently for a decade or more....example A.D. had nine seasons over 900 yards,..and a tenth at 898..
then you add in the receiving yards...and the impact they have in picking up blitzes,..or even in running lead blocks for another back.

I guess it could boil down to what exactly you consider an NFL back.
if a dude can rush for 1500 yards and 10 TD's,,,but cant catch a pass, and cant pick up a blitz to save his life...do you consider him an NFL back?

maybe thats part of the reason they call them, "Half" Back...because a guy that cant catch and cant block just isnt an NFL caliber talent.

when the guys that actually can come along...the talking heads use words like "Complete"....and those guys tend to get drafted in the first round.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Some people on this message board are against hybrid-players like that after what happened with Simmons.

I have thought for a long time that they would select Love because that is what Bidwill wants. I don’t think there is any doubt about that. To me, the only question is if he will allow Ossenfort to make the pick, because I highly doubt that Ossenfort will deviate from taking premium positions in the first couple of rounds. I think he believes that is the right way to construct a team (which I agree with).

I don't see Love as a 'hybrid' player. He is a RB who can handle WR duties out of the backfield. In today's game, that is expected of RB1 that he can be a 3-down back and can catch and block as well.

A superior talent at RB is a way to protect the QB. Our play-action and plays from under center will gain that split second to freeze the D. Last year, with all the injuries to our OL and especially our RBs, JB was standing in without protection and without a run game. His numbers didn't come in 'garbage time.' His passing stats were earned with numerous hits. It came when D players saw the opportunity to pad their stats by getting to JB. That's not garbage time, that's 'Last Stand' time for a QB.

Give JB some Love and it will make our OL 'better' and even protect the QB. D's will have to scheme for Love on every play and he'll be a mismatch in the slot. Watch our TE's and WRs have more opportunities as the D has to take Love's 'to the house' speed into account. A superior RB is a weapon against the entire D---he's not just manning up on a bull rush at RT. Even if we get a superior RT or DE, those guys can be double- teamed and limit their value. I'll take a RB who moves the chains, puts up 100+ rushing yards and 50+ receiving and goes for a TD or two. Even the best DE gets 1 sack per game---that looks dramatic but it is not going to move the needle on our probability for victory as much as a RB1.

If you looked at JC's injury---before even seeing him return to the field, I think he is done as a RB1. We brought in our new RB to do the same thing here that he did in Atlanta---spell a superstar RB1.

Take a RT that will have to be moved to RG for as long as his back holds out? Draft a suspect QB from our trade position? Pass on a top player in the draft to collect more picks from lower in the draft order? How has any of that worked for the Cards???

Teams will get a QB and then build around him. Cards don't have that option this time around with suspect QB class. Get that RB first, our QB after.

 

[Gandhi]

I don't see Love as a 'hybrid' player. He is a RB who can handle WR duties out of the backfield. In today's game, that is expected of RB1 that he can be a 3-down back and can catch and block as well.

Reese is a pass rusher who can handle linebacker-duties. I know it sounds arrogant, but to say otherwise (even using Simmons as an example) is a lack of understanding of Rallis’ system. And he might be an even better fit in a Teryl Austin-defense (just for the people that want Rallis to fail and be fired). That was my point. I don’t think there is anything wrong with Love being able to handle different things.

A superior talent at RB is a way to protect the QB.

That is very well said. I would add that Love might be the best thing that could happen to a new quarterback, no matter if it is this season or next. He could potentially take so much pressure off a young, inexperienced QB.

I will repeat that I think they will draft Love and Ty Simpson. I think that Bidwill wants to change the outlook of the team, and two shiny new playmakers at those two positions will do that.

Also, it makes a ton of sense to help your new head coach as much as possible.

I would personally not draft Love at #3 overall, but I am warming to the idea.

 

[Phrazbit]

So, that's your story and you are sticking to it?

You do realize that only one player is needed who was picked up either after the draft or final roster cutdowns who contributed to their new team is needed to discredit your fool's statement.

Do you really want to stick with that absurd declaration?

RB Michael Carter was cut and picked up---he was even cut on the last roster moves in 2025 by the Cards. Guess who was our leading rusher last year?

The Cardinals lost every single game in which Michael Carter had a carry.

 

[Harry]

Unlike Simmons, Reese played the vast majority of his snaps at one position; LB. He has a position the Cards need and he mastered it. So they could take him. Let him try rushing the passer and if he doesn’t look good they still have enhanced a position of need. I just don’t think a LB at that spot is primary, but it’s not a huge risk to take him unless he indicated he doesn’t want to play LB.

 

[Chopper0080]

That can be said for nearly every position in the draft....

for me...its HoF potential...do I think a player has the "IT" factor.

I do in fact think Love has "IT"...I think due to "IT" he will not only produce, he will do so for a longer term in years than most players at his position... and because of "IT" he will show to be more durable than most backs, suffer fewer injuries, and recover faster from those injuries.

Non quantifiable, I know...maybe, "Feels" based,..possibly.
Adrian Peterson had "IT", among a bevy of others... but a guy coming into the league and posting a few 1200 yard seasons does not give him "IT"
.
while guys with "IT" may never hit 1500 yards,...they will give 900 to 1300 on the ground consistently for a decade or more....example A.D. had nine seasons over 900 yards,..and a tenth at 898..
then you add in the receiving yards...and the impact they have in picking up blitzes,..or even in running lead blocks for another back.

I guess it could boil down to what exactly you consider an NFL back.
if a dude can rush for 1500 yards and 10 TD's,,,but cant catch a pass, and cant pick up a blitz to save his life...do you consider him an NFL back?

maybe thats part of the reason they call them, "Half" Back...because a guy that cant catch and cant block just isnt an NFL caliber talent.

when the guys that actually can come along...the talking heads use words like "Complete"....and those guys tend to get drafted in the first round.

I would disagree with this. People are complaining about a lack of top EDGE players this year, top DL players, and top offensive tackles. No one views Carnell Tate as a "special" player.

People reference OTs prospects aren't like Joe Thomas who is retired but an example used. There is no Myles Garrett in this class. The closest thing to Micah Parsons. Who was the last great DL prospect? Will Anderson was considered a top EDGE player in 2023 (probably the most recent best prospect) but I don't know how many people classified his as a special prospect. Maybe Andrew Thomas or Sewell at OT but Sewell was critiqued for being shorter. Aiden Hutchinson was knocked for his short arms. Travon Walker for his lack of production. Jalen Carter had off field issues.

In contrast, people talk about Love like he is a unique RB prospect which he just isn't. Sure Love can catch a football, but most RBs who are selected in round 1 have that ability. It is why they are selected in the first round. He has breakaway speed...ok...so do a lot of first round RBs.

Again, it's not that he is not talented, it's just when you reference draft history, his skill set seems to consistently be present year after year in contrast to other positions.

 

[Chopper0080]

Did Barkley help Daniel Jones in a significant way? Bijan? Jeanty?

Caleb has been successful with Swift. Daniels with the Ekeler. RJ Harvey in Denver with Nix. Maye has had Stevenson and Henderson.

There are as many young QBs who are successful without a top RB as there are with which means that belief is not really supported. Of course being able to run the ball helps, but not to the degree that using a top 5 pick on a RB is a good use of resources.

 

[az jam]

You can easily build a case for or against the Cards drafting Love at #3. If the Cards really believe he is the BPA when they pick they should take him. IMO it is not that complicate of a decision.

 

[602 Native]

Let’s Go!

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[slanidrac16]

All I know is when we are playing the 49ers, you held your breath every time McCaffery got the ball. Same with Gibbs in Detroit, Bijan in Atlanta, Walker ( with The Seahawks).
I want our opponents to have to hold there breath. Play action with Love will be vastly improved from a play action with Connor.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

All I know is when we are playing the 49ers, you held your breath every time McCaffery got the ball. Same with Gibbs in Detroit, Bijan in Atlanta, Walker ( with The Seahawks).
I want our opponents to have to hold their breath. Play action with Love will be vastly improved from a play action with Connor.

Those teams had better quarterback and o line play too….and edge guys…if they pick love that will be idiotic….but bidwill wants jersey sales and revenue over winning so I could see it happening…take Bailey or Reese or a small trade down for a offensive tackle….then get Simpson and let’s go!!!!!!

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

don't worry fellas

i made the kief butter with love

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