Jalen Green / Dillon Brooks thread

[JCSunsfan]

Don't we have a ton of shooting guards now?

 

[Yuma]

Don't we have a ton of shooting guards now?

Yes! Gayson Allen is expected to be moved. Possibly Royce Oneal. On top of that, we drafted arguably the best shooter in the draft in Brea.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I am curious to see how Green looks playing next to an elite scorer. He has been the primary scorer every year and he isn't very efficient in that role, but maybe being a secondary scorer next to someone like Book will help his efficiency.

 

[Goldfield]

I am curious to see how Green looks playing next to an elite scorer. He has been the primary scorer every year and he isn't very efficient in that role, but maybe being a secondary scorer next to someone like Book will help his efficiency.

That’s an interesting take

 

[Hoop Head]

I am curious to see how Green looks playing next to an elite scorer. He has been the primary scorer every year and he isn't very efficient in that role, but maybe being a secondary scorer next to someone like Book will help his efficiency.

I've been thinking similarly. Green is a really good ball handler but a poor playmaker for others. It'll be an interesting offensive duo. I'm more intrigued than worried. It may fail but it could also be like bigger versions of the Bledsoe and Goran pairing.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yes! Gayson Allen is expected to be moved. Possibly Royce Oneal. On top of that, we drafted arguably the best shooter in the draft in Brea.

what king of return can Grayson and Royce net?

 

[Yuma]

what king of return can Grayson and Royce net?

IDK. Most podcasters say we will be looking for assets, like second rounders. If we can net other pieces, like PG or Wings, that will be a bonus. Most likely, we may be trying to clear cap space any way we can in these trades.

 

[95pro]

I am curious to see how Green looks playing next to an elite scorer. He has been the primary scorer every year and he isn't very efficient in that role, but maybe being a secondary scorer next to someone like Book will help his efficiency.

I've been thinking similarly. Green is a really good ball handler but a poor playmaker for others. It'll be an interesting offensive duo. I'm more intrigued than worried. It may fail but it could also be like bigger versions of the Bledsoe and Goran pairing.

I’ve also been thinking this as well. Green has been the top guy on 2nd place team. Book has been there in recent-ish memory. They’ve got some experience being at the top. Green is also athletic too.

 

[SirStefan32]

what king of return can Grayson and Royce net?

I don't think it's about the return- it's about getting under the second apron. You send Allen to Brooklyn, they flip him for something else, you get under the second apron.

 

[JCSunsfan]

We just need a pg. Book gets a lot of assists but is not a pg. I would love to flip a sg or Dillon Brooks for a pg. Too bad Jrue isn't available.

 

[angel_ofthe_south]

I understand Brooks' earned reputation as a nasty enforcer, because enough players have been that. As long as he's not Kermit Washington, fine. The Suns franchise probably has never really had an enforcer. I suppose they've had some in in the nearly sixty years of their existence, but it's been so rare that no legendary "Suns enforcers" come to mind. No particular Suns players who intimidate opponents as well as defend. I understand there was some enforcer-ish guy named Maurice Lucas that they had for a while in the early eighties, but that was almosy before I was born and certainly before I became a fan. They've had idiots who fight with other players in pointless and un-constructive ways, such as Matt Barnes and Danny Ainge (yes, he did it so often in his Suns career at the worst possible times that it should be what he's remembered for)...but not many players whose dangerous reputation is actually useful.

But I'm not familiar with Brooks' other reputation. I have vaguely heard that in Memphis, he yapped so much about...something...that he annoyed many fans to the point they wanted him gone, or something. If this is true, I don't mind that either, because most players these days are obviously trained to be quiet, inoffensive, and corporate. No Charles Barkleys. As much as I appreciate Devin Booker, he is the archetype of this player.

 

[Phrazbit]

We just need a pg. Book gets a lot of assists but is not a pg. I would love to flip a sg or Dillon Brooks for a pg. Too bad Jrue isn't available.

I suspect he is extremely available, but we just don't have the salary flexibility to even make an offer. With our 2nd apron status, we could only trade Booker or Beal for Jrue and Booker is out of the question for us and Beal is obviously of zero interest to anyone.

 

[Phrazbit]

I’ve also been thinking this as well. Green has been the top guy on 2nd place team. Book has been there in recent-ish memory. They’ve got some experience being at the top. Green is also athletic too.

I don't wanna be too negative, but Green was not even remotely their best player, they were waaaaaaay better when Green was off the court. One of the things I hate most about the KD trade is that I really wanted the other team to have a high chance of getting worse... but, you could take the KD trade completely out of the conversation... like, the KD could vanish off the planet... and the Rockets are probably better because they no longer are wasting possessions on Green.

KD could stumble into a void zone... dissapearing from existence... and the Rockets next year would probably improve purly by development and subtraction.

 

[angel_ofthe_south]

I don't wanna be too negative, but Green was not even remotely their best player, they were waaaaaaay better when Green was off the court. One of the things I hate most about the KD trade is that I really wanted the other team to have a high chance of getting worse... but, you could take the KD trade completely out of the conversation... like, the KD could vanish off the planet... and the Rockets are probably better because they no longer are wasting possessions on Green.

KD could stumble into a void zone... dissapearing from existence... and the Rockets next year would probably improve purly by development and subtraction.

I accept that taking Green was the price of dumping Durant. But because of the multitude of problems with Green--his being not a very good player and his being grossly overpaid--the Suns acting enthusiastic about him, and insisting that they will keep him, makes little sense. Unless they are essentially lying in hopes of fooling teams into thinking Green is an up-and-coming player whom they should trade for. Yeah, that's probably it. What does one expect the Suns to do, admit that they know perfectly well what we said about Green? He's just a poor man's Bradley Beal whose only advantage is being younger. But you can't say that publicly if you ever hope to trade him.

 

[Phrazbit]

I accept that taking Green was the price of dumping Durant. But because of the multitude of problems with Green--his being not a very good player and his being grossly overpaid--the Suns acting enthusiastic about him, and insisting that they will keep him, makes little sense. Unless they are essentially lying in hopes of fooling teams into thinking Green is an up-and-coming player whom they should trade for. Yeah, that's probably it. What does one expect the Suns to do, admit that they know perfectly well what we said about Green? He's just a poor man's Bradley Beal whose only advantage is being younger. But you can't say that publicly if you ever hope to trade him.

I don't see the Beal similarity, Beal is a player that was once very good who has been drastically reduced through repeated injury.

Green on the other hand has been very healthy... and statistically, pretty bad.

He's more in line with Kelly Oubre or Gerald Green. A flashy player who wows the crowd here and there but is a hindrance the vast majority of the time... only he's getting paid 33 million a year. This is a guy that, IMO, is a situational roll player, at best, and we're paying him like a potential all star.

 

[angel_ofthe_south]

I don't see the Beal similarity, Beal is a player that was once very good who has been drastically reduced through repeated injury.

I compared them only in the simplest possible way. "Overpriced shooting guard the team wins more games without." I see no need to bring Kelly Oubre or Gerald Green into the discussion, because (a)I'm barely familiar with Oubre, since he played for the Suns exactly during the time when my back was turned (approximately 2017-2020); (b)Gerald Green may not be a very good player, but I'm not interested in knocking him, because he nevertheless ended up being an integral part of one of the last Suns teams I actually enjoyed watching.

As for why Jalen Green makes so much money, I wonder what the Rockets FO was thinking. They would seem to deserve my nickname of "Houston Rocks"--as in "dumb as rocks."

 

[Goldfield]

We just need a pg. Book gets a lot of assists but is not a pg. I would love to flip a sg or Dillon Brooks for a pg. Too bad Jrue isn't available.

Love Jrue

 

[JCSunsfan]

I suspect he is extremely available, but we just don't have the salary flexibility to even make an offer. With our 2nd apron status, we could only trade Booker or Beal for Jrue and Booker is out of the question for us and Beal is obviously of zero interest to anyone.

Jrue for Green works; straight up according to the trade machine. I've always thought that Jrue and Book would complement one another well.

 

[95pro]

Jrue for Green works; straight up according to the trade machine. I've always thought that Jrue and Book would complement one another well.

Jrue would be a better fit. I’m just not sure how much he has left.

 

[GatorAZ]

Jrue for Green works; straight up according to the trade machine. I've always thought that Jrue and Book would complement one another well.

The Blazers already have 3 Jalen Green’s on their roster.

 

[BirdGangThing]

cp3 is on the expiring shelf - discounted for a reason - every day that passes - he'll never be that good again - never be good as the day before - in decline - jrue holiday is not on the same shelf - no history of flukey injuries and is a full 5 YEARS YOUNGER

cp3 doesn't like ish - he's not coming here - we need a replacement for cp3 not a lesser version of him - that time/magic is gone

 

[angel_ofthe_south]

cp3 is on the expiring shelf - discounted for a reason - every day that passes - he'll never be that good again - never be good as the day before - in decline - jrue holiday is not on the same shelf - no history of flukey injuries and is a full 5 YEARS YOUNGER

cp3 doesn't like ish - he's not coming here - we need a replacement for cp3 not a lesser version of him - that time/magic is gone

Why doesn't Paul like Mat Ishbia?

 

[BirdGangThing]

Why doesn't Paul like Mat Ishbia?

cp3 found out he was being traded by cp3's brother or some ish like that - didn't take kindly to it

 

[Yuma]

I don't think it's about the return- it's about getting under the second apron. You send Allen to Brooklyn, they flip him for something else, you get under the second apron.

We can take multiple guy back in a trade, we just can't combine them going out when you are over the second apron. So maybe we can guys we can flip for draft picks, or an expiring contract. Something to get under that second apron. Ishbia seems to be OK paying luxury tax.

 

[JCSunsfan]

cp3 found out he was being traded by cp3's brother or some ish like that - didn't take kindly to it

I don't think NBA players are as petty as many fans think. Especially CP3. That dude is all business.