Gortat turns down extension

[AfroSuns]

I think Gortat won't sign a contract extension with any team in the West that has to play Utah 4 times a year.

I think he's going to the East simply because of that reason. I can even see him leaving some money on the table to try and get out of playing against the Jazz too much.

This is too funny! Mostly because i think you believe what you are actually saying. Man, you are a trip.

 

[Phrazbit]

I think Gortat won't sign a contract extension with any team in the West that has to play Utah 4 times a year.

I think he's going to the East simply because of that reason. I can even see him leaving some money on the table to try and get out of playing against the Jazz too much.

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Great point.

 

[sunsfan88]

I can't tell if you're serious or not. Basing his future on facing a single team four times a year? Come on now.

I'm kidding. Even though if you actually really think about it....

jk

 

[sunsfan88]

I fell out of my chair.

Well, you appear to be right about Gortat playing poorly against the Jazz, at least in Salt Lake City. They do seem to make Gortat look less than ordinary. Perhaps you should have used a smilie if you were being sarcastic about the rest.

This is too funny! Mostly because i think you believe what you are actually saying. Man, you are a trip.

FYI I was kidding. I don't actually think playing against Utah will be a factor in Gortat's decision on where to sign.

 

[jagu]

Marcin Gortat turned down an extension offer from the Suns in October.
"We just said we're going to wait," Gortat said. "The thing I'm concentrating is coming back to dominating the game and getting back to being a defensive spark." Gortat also called playing with Jermaine O'Neal the "best experience from this year," so he's got that going for him. Related: Jermaine O'Neal
Source: Arizona Republic Nov 26 - 9:25 AM

-rotoworld

Can someone tell me what he said that I should be overreacting to ?

 

[slinslin]

Gortat is an intelligent guy.

based on?

 

[dziki]

Well I`m Polish and I`ve been watching a few interviews with him, reading a lot of them as well. I may not be subjective (as most of the matter can`t be objective - objectivism is just an ideal state of nature) but I do feel that he is intelligent.

I don`t know if you have read it before but Marcin told some newspaper that he loves to play with O`Neal and if anyone in Phoenix would like to cut him off he would pay his salary...
Well. In my opinion you could call him however you want to but that is pretty impressive.

 

[Superbone]

What is he thinking, The announcement #2? ESPN will not drop anything to see where he goes, he is not Lebron, and it's not like we will offer him more money, we are the Phx Suns.

He is the LeBron James of Poland.

 

[BC867]

based on?

Gortat seems to recognize things as they are, states his opinion articulately (in two languages) and is brutally honest, although to the point of being undiplomatic.

If you had gotten your hopes up by joining the rising Suns, with the opportunity of being the best Center in their 40+ year history, then discovered that the owner and Front Office are mediocre at best in their jobs, how would you feel as your contract was expiring?

I don't blame Marcin for his reaction. And I would probably be just as brutally honest about it.

 

[Covert Rain]

Gortat seems to recognize things as they are, states his opinion articulately (in two languages) and is brutally honest, although to the point of being undiplomatic.

If you had gotten your hopes up by joining the rising Suns, with the opportunity of being the best Center in their 40+ year history, then discovered that the owner and Front Office are mediocre at best in their jobs, how would you feel as your contract was expiring?

I don't blame Marcin for his reaction. And I would probably be just as brutally honest about it.

This. I don't blame him one bit. To go from a team at the time promising to do whatever it takes to compete to this?!?!?

 

[SirStefan32]

This. I don't blame him one bit. To go from a team at the time promising to do whatever it takes to compete to this?!?!?

You cannot rebuild in 15 games. It takes some time. I know it sucks right now, but let's keep this in proper perspective.

 

[BC867]

You cannot rebuild in 15 games. It takes some time. I know it sucks right now, but let's keep this in proper perspective.

Doesn't the proper perspective you refer to include what I specifically mentioned about why Marcin might be turning down an extension offer from the Suns at this time?

"... then discovered that the owner and Front Office are mediocre at best in their jobs, how would you feel as your contract was expiring?"

The Suns executive staff seems to be stuck in no-man's land. Not every NBA roster is great or good or even average. The same goes for NBA owners and Front Offices.

Is there any doubt how a poll of Suns fans would categorize our owner and Front Office? I think Marcin has already thought that through! And that's no Polish joke.

 

[SirStefan32]

Doesn't the proper perspective you refer to include what I specifically mentioned about why Marcin might be turning down an extension offer from the Suns at this time?



The Suns executive staff seems to be stuck in no-man's land. Not every NBA roster is great or good or even average. The same goes for NBA owners and Front Offices.

Is there any doubt how a poll of Suns fans would categorize our owner and Front Office? I think Marcin has already thought that through! And that's no Polish joke.

I understand what you said, but you cannot judge the FO's plans and ability based on one summer and 15 games. I am not saying they are good and know what they are doing, I am not saying they are terrible and have no idea what they are doing. I like some things that they've done (Getting extra picks, signing Dragic, finding Tucker, getting Scola for cheap, etc) and I question some things they've done (draft Marshall, sign Beasley, offer Gordon a lot of money.) The only objective conclusion we can really make at this point is that it is too early to tell how well they are doing.

 

[Phrazbit]

I understand what you said, but you cannot judge the FO's plans and ability based on one summer and 15 games. I am not saying they are good and know what they are doing, I am not saying they are terrible and have no idea what they are doing. I like some things that they've done (Getting extra picks, signing Dragic, finding Tucker, getting Scola for cheap, etc) and I question some things they've done (draft Marshall, sign Beasley, offer Gordon a lot of money.) The only objective conclusion we can really make at this point is that it is too early to tell how well they are doing.

IMO, the early signs are extremely grim. The Beasley signing was a move that no competent front office would have considered, and they are really really lucky the Hornets saved them from Eric Gordon. I dont remotely trust them this coming offseason, especially with some terrifying free agents at a "need" position like Evans and Monta Ellis sitting there just waiting for the Suns to annihilate their cap space on them.

I hope they silence my doubts, Blabby TALKED before free agency about building the right way and not using cap space just because its there to use... but their actions spoke far louder than their words.

 

[SirStefan32]

IMO, the early signs are extremely grim. The Beasley signing was a move that no competent front office would have considered, and they are really really lucky the Hornets saved them from Eric Gordon. I dont remotely trust them this coming offseason, especially with some terrifying free agents at a "need" position like Evans and Monta Ellis sitting there just waiting for the Suns to annihilate their cap space on them.

I hope they silence my doubts, Blabby TALKED before free agency about building the right way and not using cap space just because its there to use... but their actions spoke far louder than their words.

And that's a completely reasonable position. "I am not really optimistic from what I've seen so far" is much different than, "Well, they suck."

I cannot stand Beasley. You might be the only person who dislikes him more than I do, but at the end of the day, it was a reasonable risk- only the first two years are fully guaranteed at 6M per year or so. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out, you can buy him out in two years, and he is really not killing your cap space that much until then. If by some miracle, he gets better, you have a decent player at a somewhat reasonable rate.

I wasn't really sure about the Gordon offer either. I actually like him as a player, but I was very concerned about his injury issues. If the Suns medical staff said he was good to go, I would have been OK with that signing. They made a great call with Stoudemire- that's why we are not paying him $20M per year to not play. There are some questions surrounding Gordon's "injury" this year. If the Suns got him, and he was healthy, this team would be much different. Again- I am not saying it was a good call to offer him that contract, but I can understand why they did it.

I do hope you are wrong about the Suns going after Evans or Ellis. I understand they need a scoring SG, but neither one of those two guys is the answer. If they sign one of them next summer for $12M per year next summer, I will be joining the "Suns FO sucks!!" crowd. Until then, I will sit back and observe their moves this season and next summer.

 

[Covert Rain]

You cannot rebuild in 15 games. It takes some time. I know it sucks right now, but let's keep this in proper perspective.

This is about a player in his prime that probably wants to be part of an organization that can compete for a title. When he was traded for, that was what the Suns were aiming for. Now they clearly are not.

Rebuilding takes time and by the time this team is competitive again, Gortat will be on the downside of his career.

I think Gortat has that clearly in the right perspective and probably the reason why he won't sign an extension. If this team makes a major trade, I bet he is willing to stick it out.

However, during a rebuild? He is doing the right thing.

 

[Mainstreet]

This is about a player in his prime that probably wants to be part of an organization that can compete for a title. When he was traded for, that was what the Suns were aiming for. Now they clearly are not.

Rebuilding takes time and by the time this team is competitive again, Gortat will be on the downside of his career.

I think Gortat has that clearly in the right perspective and probably the reason why he won't sign an extension. If this team makes a major trade, I bet he is willing to stick it out.

However, during a rebuild? He is doing the right thing.

I thought you were going to say Gortat would ask to be part of the trade.

 

[Covert Rain]

I thought you were going to say Gortat would ask to be part of the trade.

That might be possible but my point was...why else would he want to stay unless we get some sort of star in here to play beside him? It's the only reason he would probably want to stay.

 

[chickenhead]

I'm okay with it. Hopefully he playes better to get the cotract he thinks he deserves. If it comes from the Suns, great, if his trade value goes up and the Suns make a good deal, fine.

 

[sunsfan88]

I'm betting that he regrets turning down that extension right about now.

 

[Chaplin]

I'm betting that he regrets turning down that extension right about now.

Right now the only thing he regrets is not demanding a trade in the offseason.

 

[Covert Rain]

I'm betting that he regrets turning down that extension right about now.

No he doesn't. There a ton of teams that will pay a premium to get him and realize what a shambles this team is.

 

[95pro]

now that bynum is injured goods. and with the lack of available centers besides Howard. the suns also find themselves without a center since Gortat declined his extension.

do the suns try to resign gortat?

 

[HooverDam]

now that bynum is injured goods. and with the lack of available centers besides Howard. the suns also find themselves without a center since Gortat declined his extension.

do the suns try to resign gortat?

No.

This summer/next year Marcin Gortat will be an expiring contract. But not just any expiring contract, a relatively affordable expiring contract for an above average player at the most premium position.

The Suns ought to be able to move him this summer, or at the very worst in season next year for a respectable package. They're not going to get a likely lottery pick for him, or a young player w/ star potential, but they should be able to get assets.

The team needs to be in asset acquisition mode right now, that way down the line when the right deal comes up, you're flexible enough to make it. THats what smart teams do.

 

[sunsfan88]

No.

This summer/next year Marcin Gortat will be an expiring contract. But not just any expiring contract, a relatively affordable expiring contract for an above average player at the most premium position.

The Suns ought to be able to move him this summer, or at the very worst in season next year for a respectable package. They're not going to get a likely lottery pick for him, or a young player w/ star potential, but they should be able to get assets.

The team needs to be in asset acquisition mode right now, that way down the line when the right deal comes up, you're flexible enough to make it. THats what smart teams do.

If the Suns get the LAL lottery pick, I think the Suns can probably trade Gortat + that pick to move up into the top 8 maybe top 5.