Epic episode but my nitpick echoes the above. The episode was so dark. Then they hammered you with the blizzard. Those two things combined made for less then optimal viewing.
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crisper57
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Basically the same as Return of the King. Lots of death and destruction in the "main" battle, while the "one good shot" part of the plan fumbles around until the final moments when it looks like the good guys will be overrun. But, with zombies!
Ouchie-Z-Clown
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Makes sense.
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I wasn't keen on the KM pick, but I'm over it.
Tyrion Lannister is our QB and as the Battle of Blackwater Bay proved, he's intelligent, skilled and resourceful. Yes, he's vertically challenged but if the Unsullied on the line hold up and the Dothraki do their thing in passing game, he'll be fine. My only concern is that there is a Night King out there and we don't have enough dragon glass blades or Valyrian steel to handle the White Walkers.
Tyrion Lannister is our QB and as the Battle of Blackwater Bay proved, he's intelligent, skilled and resourceful. Yes, he's vertically challenged but if the Unsullied on the line hold up and the Dothraki do their thing in passing game, he'll be fine. My only concern is that there is a Night King out there and we don't have enough dragon glass blades or Valyrian steel to handle the White Walkers.
Ouchie-Z-Clown
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KM is not Tyrion. He’s Arya.
We don’t know that yet. He might be Theon. Come off like a ladies man but.......
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IF AND WHEN HEALTHY...
Meh episode.
Wow...
This was some high level concepts
A man's honor versus a woman's love
Duty versus loyalty
Selfless sacrifice versus appreciation
Nature versus nurture
Sansa still literally the worst character of all time
Vengeance versus temperance
This was some high level concepts
A man's honor versus a woman's love
Duty versus loyalty
Selfless sacrifice versus appreciation
Nature versus nurture
Sansa still literally the worst character of all time
Vengeance versus temperance
Agreed
Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
Wow I thought this was an excellent episode.
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Disapointing character development from Jamie and Daenerys imo
Jamie still not done with Cersei.
Daenerys being more and more obsessed with ruling instead of doing the obvious which would be to rule alongside Jon.
Next Dragon down, although the preview of the next episode with the Dragon screech and Eurons shocked face and the conversation between Cersei and Euron about "being sure that dragon is dead" hints that maybe we are not down to 1 dragon.
Jamie still not done with Cersei.
Daenerys being more and more obsessed with ruling instead of doing the obvious which would be to rule alongside Jon.
Next Dragon down, although the preview of the next episode with the Dragon screech and Eurons shocked face and the conversation between Cersei and Euron about "being sure that dragon is dead" hints that maybe we are not down to 1 dragon.
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Agree with the first part, and the last part would make me not want to watch any longer. That would be epic-level bad schmuck bait.
There was a lot of good stuff in the episode, but a lot of it was badly presented.
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There have been some hit and miss episodes since they ran out of book material...
But wow, this was dreadful. We had characters transporting hundreds, maybe thousands of miles in the blink of an eye... vast distances that the time required to cover was one of the key plot points of the first 5 seasons but the last couple have totally taken a crap on. We also had characters making decisions and saying things that were so blatantly forced for the sake of manufacturing drama and so wildly against their character arch that it is getting really hard to swallow.
At this point Jon is the only main character with any consistent belief system... maybe Cersi too, but the idea that Cersi has any support beyond the one or two freak shows on her council is utterly impossible to believe.
There was so much stupid in this episode but what irked me most was Tyrion walking up to the walls of Kings Landing. He SHOULD know better than anyone how pointless it is to put one's self at the mercy of his sister, he does so anyway, she spits on his effort and chops off that chicks head anyway... and... for some reason... doesn't have the archers fill her brother with arrows. She should have been laughing at this stupidity as she ordered him filled with holes.
Furthermore... does king's landing not have even like... 100 dudes with horses? There is Dany, like, 200 yards outside the castle gates, without any real army to protect her... Cersi should have a few thousand men at her disposal, minimum (and I'm sure in the next episode Cersi will produce an army over 100k strong), but she doesn't bother to kill her rival when defended by a baker's dozen...
So much of the importance of alliance building and the foolishness of putting yourself at the mercy of your enemy that was built in this universe is getting absolutely crapped on with scene after scene of nonsense storytelling.
I wish I could watch this wish George RR Martin, the entire time pointing at the screen and saying "Look! Look what at a mess is being made of your intricate story and well developed characters because you're pushing a decade to release a book!
At this point Jon is the only main character with any consistent belief system... maybe Cersi too, but the idea that Cersi has any support beyond the one or two freak shows on her council is utterly impossible to believe.
There was so much stupid in this episode but what irked me most was Tyrion walking up to the walls of Kings Landing. He SHOULD know better than anyone how pointless it is to put one's self at the mercy of his sister, he does so anyway, she spits on his effort and chops off that chicks head anyway... and... for some reason... doesn't have the archers fill her brother with arrows. She should have been laughing at this stupidity as she ordered him filled with holes.
Furthermore... does king's landing not have even like... 100 dudes with horses? There is Dany, like, 200 yards outside the castle gates, without any real army to protect her... Cersi should have a few thousand men at her disposal, minimum (and I'm sure in the next episode Cersi will produce an army over 100k strong), but she doesn't bother to kill her rival when defended by a baker's dozen...
So much of the importance of alliance building and the foolishness of putting yourself at the mercy of your enemy that was built in this universe is getting absolutely crapped on with scene after scene of nonsense storytelling.
I wish I could watch this wish George RR Martin, the entire time pointing at the screen and saying "Look! Look what at a mess is being made of your intricate story and well developed characters because you're pushing a decade to release a book!
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Geez does nobody understand time progression?
This is so obviously the big setup episode and people are complaining about it? What exactly did you all expect?
I think it’s finally completely obvious that Dany is NOT going to end up Queen. She’s turning “mad” like her father right in front of our eyes.
This is so obviously the big setup episode and people are complaining about it? What exactly did you all expect?
I think it’s finally completely obvious that Dany is NOT going to end up Queen. She’s turning “mad” like her father right in front of our eyes.
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I'm not sure how the writers could explain Rhaegal surviving 3 catastrophic scorpion hits to my satisfaction.
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There were some good things in the episode, but like was mentioned above, some really annoying moves by the characters.
We're really supposed to believe that:
The fast-travel stuff doesn't bother me too much, because well, we've got stuff to do and fast!
Loved Tyrion giving it to Jaime about climbing the mountain.
We're really supposed to believe that:
Dany is just going to turn into the mad king after all that she's been through. Also, she's totally in love with Jon, but can't see past her own ruling desires to realize that ruling together would be even better for the realm.
Sansa is just going to turn into Cersei. I thought we sorted all that out when her and Arya busted up Littlefinger.
Tyrion is just going to look the other way from all of Dany's warning signs.
Jaimie just wuvs his sister and has to get back after she sent Bron to kill them with Dad's crossbow.
Brienne bawls like a spurned schoolgirl.
Euron can't miss with the anti-dragon weapon except, surprise, can't seem to hit the one Dany's riding.
Sansa is just going to turn into Cersei. I thought we sorted all that out when her and Arya busted up Littlefinger.
Tyrion is just going to look the other way from all of Dany's warning signs.
Jaimie just wuvs his sister and has to get back after she sent Bron to kill them with Dad's crossbow.
Brienne bawls like a spurned schoolgirl.
Euron can't miss with the anti-dragon weapon except, surprise, can't seem to hit the one Dany's riding.
The fast-travel stuff doesn't bother me too much, because well, we've got stuff to do and fast!
Loved Tyrion giving it to Jaime about climbing the mountain.
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Stout is out with one episode left. Classic.
You might be on to something with that last bit.
I've been surprised by how much of a pass the majority of people have given Sansa the last 2 years. I really don't know what she's done that deserves the praise certain portions of the GOT fanbase give her.
This last episode showed how she still doesn't understand the game. She gets sworn to secrecy by her "brother" and learns he's not her brother but is the heir to the throne and she tells the next person she sees. It doesn't help that the next person she sees is a Lannister. I don't care that Tyrion has been good to her, he's still a Lannister and is also Hand of the Queen! What good did Sansa think would come from that? She knows how Tyrion loves his family, even if he's at odds with them. He's one of the worst people to reveal that information to that is in Winterfell currently.
She's in way over her head and the only reason she's been around this long is she's a valuable pawn. It sucks she's been chewed up and spit out by virtually every major house in Westeros so far but revealing Jon's secret ancestry like she did showed that she's not just an innocent bystander all the time. She's often involved in speeding up conflicts.
She's in way over her head and the only reason she's been around this long is she's a valuable pawn. It sucks she's been chewed up and spit out by virtually every major house in Westeros so far but revealing Jon's secret ancestry like she did showed that she's not just an innocent bystander all the time. She's often involved in speeding up conflicts.
Totally agree.
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My wife remarked that I didn't seem to be into this show as much as prior seasons and that is true. With the exception of Episode 2 this season, I have been completely underwhelmed. However, I think it can all be redeemed in the last two episodes. If some of the "stupid" choices that the writers made end up having some sort of explanation that retroactively makes sense, I'll buy it. But watching it unfold in real time makes each episode appear that it was written by people who never even watched this show (much less ran it from Episode 1).
For instance, why did certain characters survive the Battle of Winterfell, only to be given happy goodbyes? Presumably, we would not see any of them again either way, so why not off them one episode earlier for dramatic effect? If they still have some sort of part to play in the final two episodes, if their goodbyes were not really forever, then it can be forgiven. If we never see Sam or Ghost or Tormund again, then what was the point of them surviving?
Same with Rhaegal. I actually think his death at Winterfell would have carried more impact than having an entire fleet of ships sneak up on him and kill him. They simply had to show the walls of the Red Keep lined with scorpions to let us know that Cersei was ready for a dragon attack.
Also, characters seem to know things they shouldn't. Like why did Cersei and Euron know who Missandei was and that she was worth capturing? How was she the only one captured?
Was Bronn's scene last night his send off? If so...what a letdown!
Will Euron realize that Tyrion shouldn't know about his baby and start doing the math in his head? If so, then Tyrion goes from being useless this season to a master tactician all over again. If not, why was he not pumped full of arrows?
Same with Rhaegal. I actually think his death at Winterfell would have carried more impact than having an entire fleet of ships sneak up on him and kill him. They simply had to show the walls of the Red Keep lined with scorpions to let us know that Cersei was ready for a dragon attack.
Also, characters seem to know things they shouldn't. Like why did Cersei and Euron know who Missandei was and that she was worth capturing? How was she the only one captured?
Was Bronn's scene last night his send off? If so...what a letdown!
Will Euron realize that Tyrion shouldn't know about his baby and start doing the math in his head? If so, then Tyrion goes from being useless this season to a master tactician all over again. If not, why was he not pumped full of arrows?
I think most of your complaints or questions have easy answers...
For instance, why did certain characters survive the Battle of Winterfell, only to be given happy goodbyes? Presumably, we would not see any of them again either way, so why not off them one episode earlier for dramatic effect? If they still have some sort of part to play in the final two episodes, if their goodbyes were not really forever, then it can be forgiven. If we never see Sam or Ghost or Tormund again, then what was the point of them surviving?
Are you opposed to anyone getting a happy ending? I can see why you want answers but why do all of the sendoffs need to be amped up, particularly Sam? I don't like Sam but I took his send off as his send off. I don't see the payoff in killing him last week. Some people were going to survive and get the "ever after" sort of send off and with what Sam has been through I think he deserves it as much as anyone.
Tormund got sent off as well and had a not so happy ending, more of just "See ya" since he isn't off with a new wife or anything like that, just going home. I don't see the issue there either. More people could have died but asking for deaths instead of allowing them to be sent off on their own way means that there is little that could have happened that would have pleased you.
If you wanted more characters killed in that battle then say that because otherwise it calls into question how any show could end in a way that would be pleasing to you because they could have killed them. I'd mention specific shows as examples but I don't want to spoil those if you haven't seen them. I don't mean just any show but shows where primary characters do die like Walking Dead.
Same with Rhaegal. I actually think his death at Winterfell would have carried more impact than having an entire fleet of ships sneak up on him and kill him. They simply had to show the walls of the Red Keep lined with scorpions to let us know that Cersei was ready for a dragon attack.
The Night King already killed a dragon, why did he need to kill another? On the other side, the scorpions that Cersei has haven't killed a dragon yet so having one die in a sneak attack by Euron finally showed what those could do. I know Bronn shot a dragon before but how long was he hurt? There were no real effects after that brief battle so those weapons didn't have the same power they had before that Euron attack demonstrated, IMO.
As as far Missandei goes, she was a women who wasn't dressed like a soldier of any sort so I think spotting she was someone of importance was fairly easy for them. How important, maybe they didn't know but I don't think she had that much importance now that they crossed the narrow sea. She was a friend of Dany's and they assumed it would bother her, and it did, so they played their hand right.
As for Bronn, I highly doubt he's done. I didn't even consider that given he's waiting to see who wins the war now. I don't think that scene should have been looked at his final appearance. I hope I'm not wrong there but I would think you're in the minority as far as considering that to be his final appearance.
And with Euron and Cersei's "child" I think that's why they had Tyrion mention her children like he did, to get Euron thinking. I don't believe she's actually pregnant myself but I could be wrong. She's been pregnant for a while now without showing any signs of it though and that seems like an odd detail to forget. In addition to that there was talk of her being near her "change" between Olenna and Tywin back when they were arranging her being married off to Loras. It's been a while since that happened but they have hinted at Qyburn helping her with some sort issue while being deliberately vague with the issue was. I suspect we'll learn that in the next 2 episodes.
Try to enjoy the show for what it is rather than making predictions about what will happen, if you can. I find shows much more enjoyable when I'm not trying to guess what comes next because often what does come next doesn't align with what I thought and I create false expectations for it by trying to guess what direction they'll go.
Are you opposed to anyone getting a happy ending? I can see why you want answers but why do all of the sendoffs need to be amped up, particularly Sam? I don't like Sam but I took his send off as his send off. I don't see the payoff in killing him last week. Some people were going to survive and get the "ever after" sort of send off and with what Sam has been through I think he deserves it as much as anyone.
Tormund got sent off as well and had a not so happy ending, more of just "See ya" since he isn't off with a new wife or anything like that, just going home. I don't see the issue there either. More people could have died but asking for deaths instead of allowing them to be sent off on their own way means that there is little that could have happened that would have pleased you.
If you wanted more characters killed in that battle then say that because otherwise it calls into question how any show could end in a way that would be pleasing to you because they could have killed them. I'd mention specific shows as examples but I don't want to spoil those if you haven't seen them. I don't mean just any show but shows where primary characters do die like Walking Dead.
Same with Rhaegal. I actually think his death at Winterfell would have carried more impact than having an entire fleet of ships sneak up on him and kill him. They simply had to show the walls of the Red Keep lined with scorpions to let us know that Cersei was ready for a dragon attack.
The Night King already killed a dragon, why did he need to kill another? On the other side, the scorpions that Cersei has haven't killed a dragon yet so having one die in a sneak attack by Euron finally showed what those could do. I know Bronn shot a dragon before but how long was he hurt? There were no real effects after that brief battle so those weapons didn't have the same power they had before that Euron attack demonstrated, IMO.
As as far Missandei goes, she was a women who wasn't dressed like a soldier of any sort so I think spotting she was someone of importance was fairly easy for them. How important, maybe they didn't know but I don't think she had that much importance now that they crossed the narrow sea. She was a friend of Dany's and they assumed it would bother her, and it did, so they played their hand right.
As for Bronn, I highly doubt he's done. I didn't even consider that given he's waiting to see who wins the war now. I don't think that scene should have been looked at his final appearance. I hope I'm not wrong there but I would think you're in the minority as far as considering that to be his final appearance.
And with Euron and Cersei's "child" I think that's why they had Tyrion mention her children like he did, to get Euron thinking. I don't believe she's actually pregnant myself but I could be wrong. She's been pregnant for a while now without showing any signs of it though and that seems like an odd detail to forget. In addition to that there was talk of her being near her "change" between Olenna and Tywin back when they were arranging her being married off to Loras. It's been a while since that happened but they have hinted at Qyburn helping her with some sort issue while being deliberately vague with the issue was. I suspect we'll learn that in the next 2 episodes.
Try to enjoy the show for what it is rather than making predictions about what will happen, if you can. I find shows much more enjoyable when I'm not trying to guess what comes next because often what does come next doesn't align with what I thought and I create false expectations for it by trying to guess what direction they'll go.
crisper57
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I think Varys, with his "loyalty to the Realm", has decided the Ruler of Westros should be in this order:
1. Jon
2. Cercei
3. Dany
If that is the case, he may be working with Cercei to undermine Dany, i.e. feeding her info like where the fleet will be heading and who Missandei is. Perhaps he knows something about Tyrion's true lineage as well and is secretly positioning the Imp toward a desired outcome. In my mind, that is the only way his a) continued existence and b) the plot holes in season 8 can be justified.
1. Jon
2. Cercei
3. Dany
If that is the case, he may be working with Cercei to undermine Dany, i.e. feeding her info like where the fleet will be heading and who Missandei is. Perhaps he knows something about Tyrion's true lineage as well and is secretly positioning the Imp toward a desired outcome. In my mind, that is the only way his a) continued existence and b) the plot holes in season 8 can be justified.
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