Gambo: Cards Looking to Trade Down and Collect More Picks

[Shane]

The draft value chart provides a general guideline and is not something written in stone.

Say the Cards had Baker valued as a low first round pick on their BPA board. They could negotiate around that value and not necessarily around the pick exchange. From the outside with only the draft value chart it looks as if the Cards got snookered in the trade. From the Cards perspective, they got a 1st round guy for cheap. . . they got the better end of the deal.

Got to know the draft value a team has on a player and not just the math based on the draft value chart to appreciate if they made a good trade.

That’s great in theory but what if the teen you’re trading with Haddam valued as a low second rounder or mid second rounder than your theory goes right out the window about having negotiating value...

 

[RugbyMuffin]

My guess is that Arizona selects a QB in the third round. That way, everyone who wants Jackson (he goes late first) or Rudolph (early second) can kill SK for not drafting a QB at #15.

I agree with this on the premise that I am talking in the fantasy world of mock drafts and sports news/reporting. Meaning the following is just based on what the sports media says will happen in the draft.


If the Cardinals trade down and acquire, let's say an additional 3rd round pick, then I could see them picking a QB, and this would be, again per the world of mock drafts, a scenario:

2: Carlton Davis, CB
3A: Kyle Lauletta, QB
3B: Darius Leonard, ILB
3C: Tre'quan Smith, WR

Heck, you could even say this could be a reality from what I have seen:

2: Christian Kirk, WR
3A: Carlton Davis, CB
3B: Kyle Lauletta, QB
3C: Darius Leonard, ILB

Of course I want to see the Cardinals have the opportunity to draft a QB at #15. I am in the minority that still thinks Lamar Jackson is more than worthy, to be picked at #15. But, will he make it to #15, and would the Cardinals draft him there ?

The two "if we trade down" scenarios I have above, for me, are pretty good, and that second scenario would be a hell of a draft. You are talking about three potential starters, and a boom/bust pick at QB.

 

[Garthshort]

Rugby, you might very well be correct. My guess is that we'll know on draft night, as I think that Jackson will be there when we select at #15. Just don't think that Jackson is our guy.

B/t/w, in the above scenario's, who do you have the Cardinals selecting, with their late first round pick?

 

[overseascardfan]

I find it funny when gets up in arm when the national media speculates or reports ARZ rumors as to insinuate that only he knows what is going on because he has “inside sources”. He does on the radio what we do on this board.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Any picks beyond the 40th or so would only be depth players or projects. I don't see that improving our team at all for our division. We need to be moving up in the 2nd or even the first to get the very best players we can get. We should be trying to replace starters with better players, not be satisfied with getting equally good or backup players with our picks.

Also, it seems to me, that Bradford can be an excellent qb if we could keep him healthy. So, forget the qb with a high pick. Solidify our oline to the max is our best formula for success, and I don't mean just a so so line.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Rugby, you might very well be correct. My guess is that we'll know on draft night, as I think that Jackson will be there when we select at #15. Just don't think that Jackson is our guy.

B/t/w, in the above scenario's, who do you have the Cardinals selecting, with their late first round pick?

I say they trade out of the 1st round all together, TBH.

Maybe get a second, 2nd round pick and get Christian Kirk ?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Any picks beyond the 40th or so would only be depth players or projects.

So you are selling that all players picked before pick 40 are starters in the NFL ?

Man, where is Jonathan Cooper, and Cody Brown, those guys should be starting.

 

[GimmedaBall]

I say they trade out of the 1st round all together, TBH.

Maybe get a second, 2nd round pick and get Christian Kirk ?

You trade out of the first round you lose the opportunity on the 5th year of the rookie contract that applies only to first round picks.

Of course, the chances that the Cards are ever going to have to use that option is pretty remote given the way SK drafts 1st round players. LOL.

 

[overseascardfan]

I say they trade out of the 1st round all together, TBH.

Maybe get a second, 2nd round pick and get Christian Kirk ?

Oh a second and third for our first, in your scenario above I was wondering why trade a mid first rounder for just a third?

 

[WisconsinCard]

That’s great in theory but what if the teen you’re trading with Haddam valued as a low second rounder or mid second rounder than your theory goes right out the window about having negotiating value...

That is why you're negotiating for the pick at it's value. There is no added value for your grade on a player, you might be willing to give up more to get that guy, but doesn't change the value of the pick.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Of course, the chances that the Cards are ever going to have to use that option is pretty remote given the way SK drafts 1st round players. LOL.

They are using it this year...

 

[Harry]

The draft value chart provides a general guideline and is not something written in stone.

Say the Cards had Baker valued as a low first round pick on their BPA board. They could negotiate around that value and not necessarily around the pick exchange. From the outside with only the draft value chart it looks as if the Cards got snookered in the trade. From the Cards perspective, they got a 1st round guy for cheap. . . they got the better end of the deal.

Got to know the draft value a team has on a player and not just the math based on the draft value chart to appreciate if they made a good trade.

I believe I started this with a similar observation about the sanctity of the chart but how would you know in round one that the player you’re targeting would be there in round 3. That’s quite a few picks from the point this hypothetical trade would have to be made.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

So you are selling that all players picked before pick 40 are starters in the NFL ?
.

? Where did I say that? Control you imagination a bit, my friend.

 

[Jetstream Green]

? Where did I say that? Control you imagination a bit, my friend.

Control your reality is more the case... there are quite a few picks past forty which teams expect to be starters, geez guy

 

[GimmedaBall]

I believe I started this with a similar observation about the sanctity of the chart but how would you know in round one that the player you’re targeting would be there in round 3. That’s quite a few picks from the point this hypothetical trade would have to be made.

Missed that you asked a question in this thread.

Cards rank the players. A guy who they have ranked as a 1st round pick (say #20 on their board) falls out of round one and gets passed over by other teams who may not have the same grade on the guy. Cards don't know that this is going to happen---it evolves as the draft picks come off the board.

Cards see him sitting on the board in a lower round. They make the trade after the first round picks have been made.They bundle two picks to make the trade up to a draft slot that is going to allow them to take the guy. The picks they bundle may be of higher value based on the draft chart. The trade is made because it is for a guy that had they had rated of higher value over the two picks they
traded to get him.

 

[GimmedaBall]

They are using it this year...

That uses up their quota for this century.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Control your reality is more the case... there are quite a few picks past forty which teams expect to be starters, geez guy

You are needlessly wasting words. You do know that you only get so many over your lifetime, don't you?

 

[Jetstream Green]

You are needlessly wasting words. You do know that you only get so many over your lifetime, don't you?

If I am wasting my words, then it's because they where directed at you. The biggest fool is one who argues with one and in this case I am guilty, now go back to endorsing McCown as a Hall of Famer and leave me alone Zorro the Gay Blade