Free Agency 2020

[1Sun]

OKC is much worse. Houston is worse. Denver is worse. GS just suffered a massive blow. The Clippers are worse.

we’re all about health. If healthy the idea that CP3 is “moderately” better than Rubio is just you wanting to bitch to bitch. You know CP3 is a massive upgrade over Rubio if healthy.

New Orleans is better. Minnesota is better. Portland is better. Dallas is better. Houston is actually about the same, only with better size. And while suffering setbacks, the Clippers, Denver and Golden State still have better overall rosters than the Suns, as do the Jazz and of course the Lakers.

Meanwhile, look at Paul and Rubio's respective numbers from last year. Yes, Paul is theoretically an upgrade, but not as significant of one as you might imagine.

At this point, the only teams in the West I am confident will finish worse than the Suns this season are the Kings, the Thunder and the Spurs.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Look at their respective numbers from last year. Yes, Paul is theoretically an upgrade, but not as significant of one as you might imagine.

numbers don’t tell the whole story and you know it. Numbers don’t show how much of a liability Rubio was on D and that teams could sag all the way off clogging up the lane for Ayton.

Chris Paul was 2nd team all-nba. Rubio was a mediocre PG like he’s been his entire career.

this argument is idiotic.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Look at their respective numbers from last year. Yes, Paul is theoretically an upgrade, but not as significant of one as you might imagine.

He is a significant upgrade. He commands a ton more respect from defenders than Rubio does.

This is just another case of you basing everything off of stats, but the stats don't indicate how much more the other players will be freed up with Paul on the court instead of Rubio.

 

[1Sun]

He is a significant upgrade. He commands a ton more respect from defenders than Rubio does.

This is just another case of you basing everything off of stats, but the stats don't indicate how much more the other players will be freed up with Paul on the court instead of Rubio.

Freed up to do what? Bridges and Crowder are offensive liabilities no matter who the point guard is.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

New Orleans is better. Minnesota is better. Portland is better. Dallas is better. Houston is actually about the same, only with better size. And while suffering setbacks, the Clippers, Denver and Golden State still have better overall rosters than the Suns, as do the Jazz and of course the Lakers.

Meanwhile, look at Paul and Rubio's respective numbers from last year. Yes, Paul is theoretically an upgrade, but not as significant of one as you might imagine.

At this point, the only teams in the West I am confident will finish worse than the Suns this season are the Kings, the Thunder and the Spurs.

Suns’ win total vs Minnesota.

I’ll take Suns at evens.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Freed up to do what? Bridges and Crowder are offensive liabilities no matter who the point guard is.

Bridges had a 62% TS. How is that a liability?

 

[1Sun]

Bridges had a 62% TS. How is that a liability?

He was a low volume shooter. Look at his overall offensive numbers, not just one statistic in a vacuum.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Ok, but highly efficient low volume guys are liabilities how? Especially when the Suns have three high volume bucket guys on the team?

 

[Town Drunk]

Rondo to Hawks, Millsap stays with the Nuggets.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Freed up to do what? Bridges and Crowder are offensive liabilities no matter who the point guard is.

Seriously? Everyone on the team will be freed up. Booker and Ayton also fall into that category. Booker will see a lot more clean looks at 3s and Ayton will see far more easy baskets at the rim. The offense will flow much better with Paul instead of Rubio.

Whenever teams realized that Rubio wasn't going to beat them with his own shot/scoring they would simply sag off him and make him either shoot or pass to a teammate that wasn't open.

It would only come back to bite the opposing team like once every 4-5 games where Rubio would actually be willing to take a lot of shots and maybe make a good percentage of them.

With Paul however teams will have to consider him a threat to score every time he has the ball and that means guys can't cheat off of him to help elsewhere. Off ball defenders will also have to keep an eye on him in case he beats his man and they have to rotate over to try and stop him from getting a layup.

 

[1Sun]

Millsap just re-signed with Denver for 1 year, $10 million. He would have been a MUCH better acquisition for us than Crowder. (So would have Portis, Taj Gibson and Chris Boucher.)

 

[1Sun]

Seriously? Everyone on the team will be freed up. Booker and Ayton also fall into that category. Booker will see a lot more clean looks at 3s and Ayton will see far more easy baskets at the rim. The offense will flow much better with Paul instead of Rubio.

Whenever teams realized that Rubio wasn't going to beat them with his own shot/scoring they would simply sag off him and make him either shoot or pass to a teammate that wasn't open.

It would only come back to bite the opposing team like once every 4-5 games where Rubio would actually be willing to take a lot of shots and maybe make a good percentage of them.

With Paul however teams will have to consider him a threat to score every time he has the ball and that means guys can't cheat off of him to help elsewhere. Off ball defenders will also have to keep an eye on him in case he beats his man and they have to rotate over to try and stop him from getting a layup.

So instead of sagging off of Rubio and Bridges, opponents are going to say off of Crowder and Bridges. We're playing 3 on 5 offensively and 4 on 5 defensively.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Millsap just re-signed with Denver for 1 year, $10 million. He would have been a MUCH better acquisition for us than Crowder. (So would have Portis, Taj Gibson and Chris Boucher.)

Considering how much you want to harp on 3 point shooting numbers why would you want Taj Gibson? Dude does nothing from behind the arc.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

So instead of sagging off of Rubio and Bridges, opponents are going to say off of Crowder and Bridges. We're playing 3 on 5 offensively and 4 on 5 defensively.

No one is sagging off Crowder or Bridges. They both shoot north of 34% (Bridges 36%) and are willing to pull the trigger when they have the opening. Rubio wouldn't typically pull the trigger on a 3 unless he was wide open.

 

[1Sun]

Considering how much you want to harp on 3 point shooting numbers why would you want Taj Gibson? Dude does nothing from behind the arc.

Gibson is a better defender and much better shooter from inside the arc, plus his PER is 4 points higher.

 

[1Sun]

No one is sagging off Crowder or Bridges. They both shoot north of 34% (Bridges 36%) and are willing to pull the trigger when they have the opening. Rubio wouldn't typically pull the trigger on a 3 unless he was wide open.

Take away the bubble anomaly, and Crowder was at 29%.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Gibson is a better defender and much better shooter from inside the arc, plus his PER is 4 points higher.

His inside the arc shooting provides even less space that you are complaining about Crowder producing...

 

[1Sun]

His inside the arc shooting provides even less space that you are complaining about Crowder producing...

It's better than no shooting. And again, Gibson would have brought better size, better defense and better rim protection.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Take away the bubble anomaly, and Crowder was at 29%.

Take away the bubble and Crowder was still shooting 39% with Miami. Seems to suggest it maybe wasn't such a fluke and maybe had something to do with the looks they were getting him.

 

[elindholm]

Crowder's three-point shooting will be fine. The difference between 34% and 39% is one make in every twenty attempts. He'll space the floor and force the opponent to guard him.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

It's better than no shooting. And again, Gibson would have brought better size, better defense and better rim protection.

Except Crowder doesn't provide no shooting. He provides about 34% from 3 on 5+ attempts per game. That's 5 more attempts than Gibson would every give you.

The only player that provides none of something is Gibson and shooting 3s. Which is a must for a PF playing big minutes nowadays.

 

[Town Drunk]

Carmelo back to the Blazers.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Strange that Nuggets pulled QO for Craig.

 

[1Sun]

Carmelo back to the Blazers.

Well, at least we dodged that bullet...

 

[Mainstreet]

Strange that Nuggets pulled QO for Craig.

Craig played quite a bit for Denver last season. I remember because I didn't recognize the name. He is worth a look by a team. Could even play some power forward.

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