Fire Vance Joseph

[Buckybird]

I know we are all upset but does anyone believe we are Firing Joseph during the season?

Based on the results for 20 games now, absofreakinglutely yes!

Jerry, I can tell you now the organization had high expectations especially after a 2-0 start. If Keim, Kliff can’t see what their biggest weakness & deficiency is now after those 20 games, they have bigger issues. The talent is better (not great) & yet we’re seeing the same results.

I’d do it without a doubt just like they did with McCoy. Hell I’d bring back James Bettcher to replace VJ that’s how bad our D is.

 

[Syracusecards]

I know we are all upset but does anyone believe we are Firing Joseph during the season?

yes. I think MB wants a SB for Fitz almost as much as he wanted it for his Dad. It’s SB or bust this year. How Wade Phillips isn’t employed and this bozo is just boggles the mind.

 

[Buckybird]

Sure talent go hand in hand, but ultimately great coaching prevails. Imo coaching separates the winners from the pretenders!!! Coaching is the difference in short term success & long period success.

All your despair, frustrations, anger are misplaced. Cardinals are a 6-10 talent. Steve Keim created this team. There is only so much coaches can do.

Boo Steve Keim if you need a real change.

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[Finito]

yes. I think MB wants a SB for Fitz almost as much as he wanted it for his Dad. It’s SB or bust this year. How Wade Phillips isn’t employed and this bozo is just boggles the mind.

well it was never SB or bust this year but contending for a Playoff birth was def real.

 

[swagron]

All your despair, frustrations, anger are misplaced. Cardinals are a 6-10 talent. Steve Keim created this team. There is only so much coaches can do.

Boo Steve Keim if you need a real change.

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Real talk. The players aren’t very good. Poor tackling, poor angles, poor effort etc. That’s on the players.

 

[Buckybird]

I’ve been saying it since the day he was hired! You won’t win big with VJ calling your defense! Never

 

[Snakester]

I have to agree with this thread. Vance Joseph needs to go. Bringing in Wade Phillips would give us at least a decent defense the rest of the season.

 

[Arz101]

Sure talent go hand in hand, but ultimately great coaching prevails. Imo coaching separates the winners from the pretenders!!! Coaching is the difference in short term success & long period success.

There is no coaching available for Reddicks, Rosens or Simmons of the world. And they are all top first round picks. That is why there is only so much coaching can do with Cardinals "talent"

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[Buckybird]

Tell that to Bellichik who takes peoples castoffs every year & not many superstars to be the greatest HC ever.
coaching matters bro! More than you realize.

The defensive talent is better & yet we are seeing the same problems as last season. Hmmm

There is no coaching available for Reddicks, Rosens or Simmons of the world. And they are all top first round picks. That is why there is only so much coaching can do with Cardinals "talent"

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[swagron]

This offense is just as bad as the defense. We have 2 savants running the offense.

 

[juza76]

I would call Ray Horton immediately

 

[juza76]

This offense is just as bad as the defense. We have 2 savants running the offense.

No, the defense was trash in every series, the offense even if below the standards had some flashes
We have the worse secondary in the nfl
Jones is completely ineffective even going 1vs1
Then they use fitts in the other side that wouldn't make any practice squad in the other teams
Riley washington are maybe just adequate for CFL
Hicks is too slow and Campbell can't cover all the field to close the gaps with every receivers crossing the field

 

[Arz101]

Tell that to Bellichik who takes peoples castoffs every year & not many superstars to be the greatest HC ever.
coaching matters bro! More than you realize.

The defensive talent is better & yet we are seeing the same problems as last season. Hmmm

If we are going to take this route, one should tell Keim to draft like Ozzie Newsome and don't muck up every top draft pick and every head coach he gets his hands on.

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[DVontel]

Vance, Kliff, Kyler, Keim, & the overall secondary getting all the blame which is understandable, but I will say I’m disappointed in Chandler.

1 sack(coverage sack at that) in 4 games is disgusting.

 

[juza76]

Vance, Kliff, Kyler, Keim, & the overall secondary getting all the blame which is understandable, but I will say I’m disappointed in Chandler.

1 sack(coverage sack at that) in 4 games is disgusting.

And he isn't double teamed, actually he struggle to beat any lineman 1vs1
I also watched missed a tackle near the end zone
What he had? 1qb hit, not more

 

[Buckybird]

Keep ignoring coaching & scheme all you want. There’s a reason guys like Bellichek, Reid, Shula, Petey, Landry, Parcells, Reeves etc are head coaches for so long & it’s not just players.

If we are going to take this route, one should tell Keim to draft like Ozzie Newsome and don't muck up every top draft pick and every head coach he gets his hands on.

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[Syracusecards]

Vance, Kliff, Kyler, Keim, & the overall secondary getting all the blame which is understandable, but I will say I’m disappointed in Chandler.

1 sack(coverage sack at that) in 4 games is disgusting.

I don’t blame this on Chandler. When our defense plays so far off the wide receivers that they are open within one second of the ball being snapped, the quarterback throws it almost immediately and Chandler doesn’t have a chance.

 

[DVontel]

I don’t blame this on Chandler. When our defense plays so far off the wide receivers that they are open within one second of the ball being snapped, the quarterback throws it almost immediately and Chandler doesn’t have a chance.

There were plenty of plays where Teddy had all the time in the world & yet Chandler was still holding the OT.

No one is absolved of blame.

 

[Buckybird]

Squarely the blame imo falls to VJ. Passive defense, slants all day, poor blitz calls & poor adjustments

There were plenty of plays where Teddy had all the time in the world & yet Chandler was still holding the OT.

No one is absolved of blame.

 

[SO91]

Real talk. The players aren’t very good. Poor tackling, poor angles, poor effort etc. That’s on the players.

Players played poorly for sure, but they consistently look disorganized and/or out of position pre snap. From the broadcast feed I can't tell what the hell the defensive plan is.

 

[Syracusecards]

There were plenty of plays where Teddy had all the time in the world & yet Chandler was still holding the OT.

No one is absolved of blame.

I agree that no one is absolve of blame, but I also have to imagine that the D line gets tired of going all out for no reason because VJ let’s the QB pick us apart like Brady with 3 yard slant passes.

 

[FB94]

VJs defensive playbook is from “All the right moves”. Six two stack monster with a 5’5” cornerback committing pass interference

 

[Dr. Jones]

Pat P, Chandler, our Safeties, and last but not least, our inability to contain on the backside are not Vance's fault.

What is Vance's fault is his unimaginative blitz packages, his inability to fold in our 1st round pick, and his horrible, indefensible, record as a D coordinator in the NFL.

Wade is the guy Vance wants to be. Let's go get Wade please.

 

[FB94]

VJs defensive playbook is from “All the right moves”. Six two stack monster with a 5’5” cornerback

 

[DVontel]

I’m not sure about Wade Philips in this day & age either cause his defenses tend to fall off every year.