Finishing the Season: Coaches

[Harry]

I’m still not sold on the coaches. Before cheering for Petzing keep in mind that the Cards scored 27. The Cowboys were allowing over 31 points per game. The Cards were below average despite getting those turnovers. The offense looks better with Brissett, but it’s not good enough for me. Where’s the creativity? What’s special about his offense? Petzing not aggressive enough for me. That seems to be a coaching theme. Special teams may be worse. A bad kick off helped cost the Cards a game. Coverage has been spotty all year. Getting a costly punt blocked could have changed momentum Monday night. Time to move on. Rallis apparently finally got the message; fortune favors the bold. It just took too long for him to get it. He has a future, but that future isn’t in AZ. As to Gannon, missing on a coach selection happens. Missing on all of them doesn’t. Time to clear house.

 

[PJ1]

I’m still not sold on the coaches. Before cheering for Petzing keep in mind that the Cards scored 27. The Cowboys were allowing over 31 points per game. The Cards were below average despite getting those turnovers. The offense looks better with Brissett, but it’s not good enough for me. Where’s the creativity? What’s special about his offense? Petzing not aggressive enough for me. That seems to be a coaching theme. Special teams may be worse. A bad kick off helped cost the Cards a game. Coverage has been spotty all year. Getting a costly punt blocked could have changed momentum Monday night. Time to move on. Rallis apparently finally got the message; fortune favors the bold. It just took too long for him to get it. He has a future, but that future isn’t in AZ. As to Gannon, missing on a coach selection happens. Missing on all of them doesn’t. Time to clear house.

The offense has a huge problem on the right side of the line. It’s also down to their third string RB and a practice squad RB that couldn’t block me. A backup QB running the show. They did very well in my opinion. Agree special teams have been a big problem. Defense looked so much better with Nolen out there and our corners are getting healthy.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

Keep them all except get a new ST coordinator

 

[Garthshort]

Harry, you talked about the blocked punt, and I'm wondering, is our starting punter, Giliken (Sp?) out for the year?

 

[Garthshort]

The offense has a huge problem on the right side of the line. It’s also down to their third string RB and a practice squad RB that couldn’t block me. A backup QB running the show. They did very well in my opinion. Agree special teams have been a big problem. Defense looked so much better with Nolen out there and our corners are getting healthy.

Definitely agree. And since we didn't trade for a RT, I wonder what the plan is to shore up the right side.

 

[Harry]

Harry, you talked about the blocked punt, and I'm wondering, is our starting punter, Giliken (Sp?) out for the year?

Not clear, the Cards can return 8 guys from IR and haven’t used all their options yet.

 

[Harry]

Definitely agree. And since we didn't trade for a RT, I wonder what the plan is to shore up the right side.

Sadly it’s likely the same pitiful plan of putting Beachum over there is the best they’ve come up with so far.

 

[Goodyear Card]

Hi Harry, although we can agree the coaching has not been great, they are limited by the overall talent level on the team. The offensive game plan seems to have more variety with Brissett at QB than with Murray. We saw the same thing with KK calling plays. Dallas has played better at home than on the road. In their home games this year, they have scored 40, 40, 37, and 44 points. Stopping Dallas 3 times on 4 down was huge. Along with the turnovers, it was key to winning the game. If Nolan can be the DT, we have been hoping for and the defense getting healthy, we should see some progress. The 2 coaches i don't like are the OL and DL coaches. Neither had any NFL experience and both units have regressed from last year.

 

[HairZach]

We have one of the most experienced and lauded special teams coaches in the league. A kicker missing the landing zone and a single blocked punt has people calling for his head?

 

[phillycard]

I’m still not sold on the coaches. Before cheering for Petzing keep in mind that the Cards scored 27. The Cowboys were allowing over 31 points per game. The Cards were below average despite getting those turnovers. The offense looks better with Brissett, but it’s not good enough for me. Where’s the creativity? What’s special about his offense? Petzing not aggressive enough for me. That seems to be a coaching theme. Special teams may be worse. A bad kick off helped cost the Cards a game. Coverage has been spotty all year. Getting a costly punt blocked could have changed momentum Monday night. Time to move on. Rallis apparently finally got the message; fortune favors the bold. It just took too long for him to get it. He has a future, but that future isn’t in AZ. As to Gannon, missing on a coach selection happens. Missing on all of them doesn’t. Time to clear house.

The running game was a HUGE disappointment to me. I fully expected us to have a 100 yard rusher and be able to sustain drives via the run game. As low as the bar was for Petzing, this outcome was like the greatest show on turf,

 

[JohnnyCakes]

We have one of the most experienced and lauded special teams coaches in the league. A kicker missing the landing zone and a single blocked punt has people calling for his head?

correct. Especially sice one of the blunders cost us a game against a division rival.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

The running game was a HUGE disappointment to me. I fully expected us to have a 100 yard rusher and be able to sustain drives via the run game. As low as the bar was for Petzing, this outcome was like the greatest show on turf,

Trey Benson may be back in 1 week so hopefully we can see what he can tow for the team going forward

 

[imaCafan]

Should have jettisoned DP and kept Adam’s as OC. He’s the OC in Dallas now and they went from 20.6 last year to 29.2 PPG this year…

 

[BritCard]

There's nothing wrong with this staff.

The offense is built for the players it has. Kyler was limited in what he could do and Jacoby is limited in what he can do, just in different ways. We don't have a Jamyr Gibbs or Bijan Robinson at RB. We don't have lightning speed or a great ball carrier like Deebo at WR.

Every game we have lost we have been in close games with no need to delve into the bag of tricks that teams normally only pull out when in desperate situations.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

Should have jettisoned DP and kept Adam’s as OC. They went from 20.6 to 29.2 PPG…

until the CACTUS CURTAIN came to town !

 

[HairZach]

Should have jettisoned DP and kept Adam’s as OC. They went from 20.6 to 29.2 PPG…

Having Dak Prescott and George Pickens in the lineup might have something to do with that increase.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

I believe Carson Palmers first year the Cards went 3-5 to start season then finished with 10 wins and just missed playoffs

 

[slanidrac16]

Harry, I feel there is indications of the play calling being a bit more aggressive. There were a couple of times we were 2nd or 3rd and very long(15-17yds.) We actually threw at or past the sticks and got first downs.

When Kyler was in there it would have been a dump off of 5/6 yards praying for YAC. I swear every time we’d have a holding penalty I would believe the drive was dead.

We don’t have much choice but I’m going to give Petzing a little bit of the doubt for the rest of the year before I come to the conclusion he has to be replaced.

He is now calling an offense with JB at qb ( for 3weeks) which appears to be different, a 3rd and 4th string rb, and an o-line that has not developed as they (and we) anticipated. Considering all that the offense has vastly improved. It appears that perhaps Kyler restricted play calling. We’ll see.

 

[Chopper0080]

There's nothing wrong with this staff.

The offense is built for the players it has. Kyler was limited in what he could do and Jacoby is limited in what he can do, just in different ways. We don't have a Jamyr Gibbs or Bijan Robinson at RB. We don't have lightning speed or a great ball carrier like Deebo at WR.

Every game we have lost we have been in close games with no need to delve into the bag of tricks that teams normally only pull out when in desperate situations.

Just like I feel the dismissal talk is premature, I feel like this is also premature.

 

[Mr X]

Be nice to see this offense with a better RT, healthy Reiman and Connor/Benson.

The eagles run the most basic, boring offense and it works just fine.

 

[kerouac9]

The good thing is we don’t have to decide for another two months so lots more data points to collect

 

[BritCard]

Just like I feel the dismissal talk is premature, I feel like this is also premature.

I'm not crowning them, just saying the criticism is overblown. Rallis and Gannon have got more out of the defense that the talents it's had, especially the two previous seasons. It's currently 8th in weighted DVOA.

I don't know if @kerouac9 or anyone else has access to offensive DVOA, but I'd imagine the last 3 games are right up there too.

In terms of actual coaching they have turned guys like Fro and Mac Wilson (and others) into legitimate starters and a number of the rookies are showing improvements. Burke was notably better on Monday for example.

The coaching staff is fine, and still young, with plenty of growth to come.

 

[BritCard]

I’m still not sold on the coaches. Before cheering for Petzing keep in mind that the Cards scored 27. The Cowboys were allowing over 31 points per game. The Cards were below average despite getting those turnovers. The offense looks better with Brissett, but it’s not good enough for me. Where’s the creativity? What’s special about his offense? Petzing not aggressive enough for me. That seems to be a coaching theme. Special teams may be worse. A bad kick off helped cost the Cards a game. Coverage has been spotty all year. Getting a costly punt blocked could have changed momentum Monday night. Time to move on. Rallis apparently finally got the message; fortune favors the bold. It just took too long for him to get it. He has a future, but that future isn’t in AZ. As to Gannon, missing on a coach selection happens. Missing on all of them doesn’t. Time to clear house.

Also "Cowboys allow 31 per game so 27 is under performing" is unfair.

The score changes how any team plays. Green Bay put 40 on them because it was end to end and ended 40-40.

The Cards led handsomely the whole game and in those situations team play to limit turnovers and shift momentum. I think Petzing goes too far with it, but it happens.

So a team leading by 2 scores all game is less likely to go over the average.

 

[Totally_Red]

The good thing is we don’t have to decide for another two months so lots more data points to collect

Absolutely! If I had to decide today I'd clean house on the offensive side and keep JG and Rallis. But I don"t.

Petzing has 9 games to change my mind. OTOH, I've seen more than enough of Kyler.

 

[football karma]

We have one of the most experienced and lauded special teams coaches in the league. A kicker missing the landing zone and a single blocked punt has people calling for his head?

ST problems:

NO: blocked FG
CAR: Botched on side kick recovery
SEA: Landing zone kickoff
IND: Facemask penalty on kickoff return to start final drive to try to win the game
DAL: Blocked punt

the killer about all of these, excepting Dallas, is that they occurred with the game on the line in the 4th quarter