Fine, I'm fine with Francis Mauigoa

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Because you said so? lol I've been dealing with that rationale for a week or so on here. No, when sites and experts have differing opinions, there is no consensus. We can't even have a consensus on the message board. Sorry, no. I'll just say Mauigoa is not the consensus top OT in this draft because my opinion carries as much weight as yours. See? No consensus :)

I think a lot of posters are misunderstanding what the word consensus means. Deliberately, in most cases.

I had AI do a search and it calculated that 80% of the mock drafts had Mauigoa as the top OT in this draft.
 

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SO you would agree that this is also true at EDGE and QB?
Already asked and answered by you. How many times do you wish me to explain?

QB? No, obviously not. 99.99 percent, roughly, is certainly a consensus.

At Edge? I agree. My preference is not for a Swiss Army Knife edge prospect.
 

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Already asked and answered by you. How many times do you wish me to explain?

QB? No, obviously not. 99.99 percent, roughly, is certainly a consensus.

At Edge? I agree. My preference is not for a Swiss Army Knife edge prospect.
It's kind of exposing how silly your objection to Mauigoa based on him not being the "consensus" best OT. Love wouldn't be the "consensus" if there was another RB worth it.
 

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It's kind of exposing how silly your objection to Mauigoa based on him not being the "consensus" best OT. Love wouldn't be the "consensus" if there was another RB worth it.
Your post is confusing. If there was another OT worth it, Mauigoa wouldn't be whispered as the top OT. By your rationale. Arguing against yourself?
 

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Your post is confusing. If there was another OT worth it, Mauigoa wouldn't be whispered as the top OT. By your rationale. Arguing against yourself?
He's not really "whispered" LOL

Overwhelmingly, most mocks have him going 1st among the OTs, which means he's the top guy. Going off the minority is just looking for "reasons" that don't really exist.

I just hope that David Bailey is available and the Cardinals can just sprint to the podium and draft him. He's the closest to a blue chip prospect in this class, in my opinion, though apparently a lot of scouts have Reese as a true blue chipper.
 

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It's kind of exposing how silly your objection to Mauigoa based on him not being the "consensus" best OT. Love wouldn't be the "consensus" if there was another RB worth it.
Well yeah but there isn’t another RB. Thats why Love is the consensus top RB.

This whole discussion seems kind of silly to me. Monti can’t find a trade partner or use whatever draft capital created in a trade to get better. Joe Thomas isn’t declaring for the 2026 NFL draft; you’re limited to the available prospects.

I think you get more value by drafting an OL.
 

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This is an interesting eval of Mauigoa from a former Jets scout during the Parcells era. Addresses the guard concerns, but ultimately believes he will be a effective OT in the NFL. That said, this evaluator thinks Love is a HOF lock.

I've started reading this guy because he was the only one I've found that nailed the MHJ eval pre-draft

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He has some out there takes, like rating Carson Beck >>> Mendoza. But he also gave Darius Robinson a 3rd round grade.
 

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This is an interesting eval of Mauigoa from a former Jets scout during the Parcells era. Addresses the guard concerns, but ultimately believes he will be a effective OT in the NFL. That said, this evaluator thinks Love is a HOF lock.

I've started reading this guy because he was the only one I've found that nailed the MHJ eval pre-draft

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He has some out there takes, like rating Carson Beck >>> Mendoza. But he also gave Darius Robinson a 3rd round grade.
He says Beck is the most NFL ready QB in the draft, said Simpson is destined to be a backup/spot starter and that Mendoza will be a failure for team drafting him in 1st round.

Interesting.
 

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He says Beck is the most NFL ready QB in the draft, said Simpson is destined to be a backup/spot starter and that Mendoza will be a failure for team drafting him in 1st round.

Interesting.
Reading through his stuff most of QB evals have aged very poorly, embarrassingly so. His OL/WR/DL evals from prior drafts have been solid.

His most interesting take about this draft to me is he doesnt think Reese is worth a 1st round pick and he thinks Reuben Bain will continue to be a difference maker at the NFL level.
 
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Reading through his stuff most of QB evals have aged very poorly, embarrassingly so. His OL/WR/DL evals from prior drafts have been solid.

His most interesting take about this draft to me is he doesnt think Reese is worth a 1st round pick and he thinks Reuben Bain will continue to be a difference maker at the NFL level.
What i would like to see from Bain is simple.
I want to see him take the corner at the tackles waist or lower. That's the best way to avoid getting locked up due to short reach ...get real low and lean into the blocker...use him as a pivot point where he can't get a grip on you without obvious holding.
He has the first step to get outside. He just needs to dip in once he gets position. If he can do that consistently he will rack up lots of stats in the league
 

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Well yeah but there isn’t another RB. Thats why Love is the consensus top RB.

This whole discussion seems kind of silly to me. Monti can’t find a trade partner or use whatever draft capital created in a trade to get better. Joe Thomas isn’t declaring for the 2026 NFL draft; you’re limited to the available prospects.

I think you get more value by drafting an OL.
Comparing across drafts is self defeating. Yes Mauigoa would like be the 14th pick in a lot of drafts, but in this draft he goes higher because of the shallow talent pool.

I think I view the draft differently overall though. I won't really care as long as the Cardinals walk away with a good player. The Cardinals need a good player and whether that's an OT, an Edge, a RB, etc, I'll be good with it.

I just think that building the OL will help MLF the most. Allgeier, Connor, and company won't be as dynamic as Love, but they can average 4.0 yards per carry and catch passes out of the backfield just like Love. My big concern is that the Cardinals try to bet on a RT sliding to round to two and there is a run on OTs and they panic and reach for the 8th best guy.
 

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Comparing across drafts is self defeating. Yes Mauigoa would like be the 14th pick in a lot of drafts, but in this draft he goes higher because of the shallow talent pool.

I think I view the draft differently overall though. I won't really care as long as the Cardinals walk away with a good player. The Cardinals need a good player and whether that's an OT, an Edge, a RB, etc, I'll be good with it.

I just think that building the OL will help MLF the most. Allgeier, Connor, and company won't be as dynamic as Love, but they can average 4.0 yards per carry and catch passes out of the backfield just like Love. My big concern is that the Cardinals try to bet on a RT sliding to round to two and there is a run on OTs and they panic and reach for the 8th best guy.
Francis and Zion young or Parker or Simpson….if we go Bailey or Bain then Arizona st ot
 

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Comparing across drafts is self defeating. Yes Mauigoa would like be the 14th pick in a lot of drafts, but in this draft he goes higher because of the shallow talent pool.

I think I view the draft differently overall though. I won't really care as long as the Cardinals walk away with a good player. The Cardinals need a good player and whether that's an OT, an Edge, a RB, etc, I'll be good with it.

I just think that building the OL will help MLF the most. Allgeier, Connor, and company won't be as dynamic as Love, but they can average 4.0 yards per carry and catch passes out of the backfield just like Love. My big concern is that the Cardinals try to bet on a RT sliding to round to two and there is a run on OTs and they panic and reach for the 8th best guy.
The average team averaged 4.3 YPC last season. So if our three or four guys are shooting for well below average — Lossenfort Syndrome is spreading.

I kind of think the Cards have plenty of good players. They need special players at positions of value. I don’t think that’s available when the cards pick, but I’d probably take a pass rusher and hope for the best.

You’re not paying both Paris and a 2026 first round OL top-of-market money. You’d be happy to pay an above average edge top-of-market money because there’ll be no one blocking him.
 
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