OMG your reading comprehension level is terrible here!
I'm not as active as I used to be, so maybe I've missed his breakdown, but earlier in this thread, you and he both basically laid it out like it's purely team needs - is every team in this league so set at RT/OG that they don't even want to sniff around moving up for who is supposedly the best lineman in the draft? It also brings up the question of why so many teams are totally set at RT are finishing in the bottom 10 of the league.
Field Yates suggested just today that Freeling could easily emerge as the best tackle in this draft. I'm not "nitpicking." No one is thrilled about Mauigoa, and the best justification I'm seeing from most is "well, he fills a hole." This draft stinks, yes, and that's why you probably have to discard traditional thinking and take the best player, even if they might not necessarily be here 10 years.
Yeah, at #3, I'll happily pass on the guy whose highest upside is starting 17 games and doesn't scream spectacular.
We'll flatly have to disagree regarding Love, then. I think Love is the best player in this draft, and the only player that in a deeper draft, would be considered a top 5-10 or so pick. I think you're picking the next Bijan or Gibbs with Love, which is a lot more appealing than in your own words, a guy who "screams 'starts 17/17.'"
This was said about Rashawn Slater too man and Tristan Wirfs. I guess you just can't see that this is often said about a lot of tackles that even turn into All Pros. I won't repeat this again, you either look up what I'm saying and learn or you don't.
#content
I'm not thrilled with pretty much every player other than Bailey or Mendoza. I'd rather take a good tackle than a good RB.
But this is where you're losing me...Love ISN'T head and shoulders better than Mauigoa. He just isn't, none of the scouting sites or scouts I'm hearing are really saying this other than fan boys who fall in love with flash over substance.
LOL Joe Thomas. Hell, Lane Johnson. No tackle ever screams spectacular.
Yeah definitely disagree. He'd be pick #15 in a regular draft, around the same spot Mauigoa would go
He's not in that tier. He's the next tier down.
Actually no. The OL is that bad that it desperately needs a talent infusion.
Slater and Wirfs, as have been pointed out, went ten picks later than we're picking. But, I was much higher on Wirfs than I am Mauigoa, didn't have a huge opinion on Slater, and we can look to other players in recent history that aren't amazing. Evan Neal's a direct example of a positionless RT, who didn't warrant a real second contract, that went in the top ten. Jedrick Wills is another. Every other All-Pro tackle drafted in the top 10 since 2020 played LT. Seems like you take the risk on a Wirfs or Slater outside of the top-10.
The #content argument doesn't hold water. Not all of us can sit down and break down our own film. Yes, I listen to talent evaluators most of the time, compared to myself, who can only watch a few games and judge, maybe a little tape if I think the Cardinals can really draft them. There's a large gap between someone creating mediocre content for YouTube, and someone whose job it is to watch these players all day, plus speak to GMs or other league leadership.
I'm also not thrilled with Mendoza, but would take him if we could, based on need. Bailey's someone I'm high on.
#content. Just messing around, but I see elite talent from Love that matches up to the top RBs in the game. You're losing me by saying you don't see it. Everywhere I watch/read, he's a prototypical, elite player. Hell, there's smoke that many other teams are interested in taking him because of how elite he is. The Titans don't need RBs, but might take him one pick after us.
Consolidating this, it has nothing to do with excitement. If Joe Alt were available, I'd take him over Love in a heartbeat. Joe Thomas was hyped as one of the best tackle prospects ever. Same with Lane Johnson... all of these guys had ELITE traits and tape. No one sat around doubting if any of them were top talents in their class. It's also incredibly disingenuous to compare players who are retired or on the cusp of retirement to today. No one sat around saying "maybe Joe Thomas will drop into the teens if the Browns don't take him," or "Lane Johnson might need to switch positions."
They got to the game mainly because of Chase is relevant. They were conference champs. That's successful and a great year.
I can't believe you used #content as an argument.This was said about Rashawn Slater too man and Tristan Wirfs. I guess you just can't see that this is often said about a lot of tackles that even turn into All Pros. I won't repeat this again, you either look up what I'm saying and learn or you don't.
#content
I'm not thrilled with pretty much every player other than Bailey or Mendoza. I'd rather take a good tackle than a good RB.
But this is where you're losing me...Love ISN'T head and shoulders better than Mauigoa. He just isn't, none of the scouting sites or scouts I'm hearing are really saying this other than fan boys who fall in love with flash over substance.
It's not exciting to take a OT. Ten years ago I would have bristled at the idea, but after watching the Cardinals take the WR (go back and look, you'll see I tossed around the idea of taking Alt over Harrison), I've learned that substance can trump style.
LOL Joe Thomas. Hell, Lane Johnson. No tackle ever screams spectacular.
Yeah definitely disagree. He'd be pick #15 in a regular draft, around the same spot Mauigoa would go
He's not in that tier. He's the next tier down.
No he screams done by the end of first contract just like most other RBs.
Actually no. The OL is that bad that it desperately needs a talent infusion.
Mauigoa has the pedigree, the college performance, and the workout numbers to justify his draft position.
I'd argue Joe Burrow with good receiver is always a threat.
? The tackle was beat soundly by an aging Von Miller. That game was so close that just another good block or two, and the Bengals win that game.
How close would the game have been without Chase? Would they have been in that game without Chase?
@kerouac9 is right, you literally have guys who come out of the woodwork to pimp some player that no one else is for clicks and attention.
Maybe better if they had another good receiver but a much better OL?
Look back at the draft Wirfs went in. You judge prospects against the class they're in not other classes. Bro this might be the worst draft class I've ever looked at.
It absolutely does hold water. The NFL draft content industry is massive and you literally have hundreds of dudes competing for attention.
Bailey, to me, is a clear guy who has MASSIVE upside at a premium position.
He's a good player in a draft bereft of good players.
We disagree here. I think he's a tier below, which is still pretty good. My issue is I see those skinny legs and I don't think he runs with power, which is something I want if I'm drafting a guy round one.
Well the problem for Mauigoa is he is a RT, not a LT. The Eagles were criticized for taking Johnson high and it's worked out well.
You lose me here, RBs don't win games on their own. They have five OL in front of them on every play. Love will probably have Wilkerson blocking in front of him on the right side, and Wilkerson is a putrid option to start at RT.
Yeah but RT also block for the QB too and play more snaps than a RB.
So who's the arbiter of who the top OT prospect is? You? lol
What I hear is those types of players are workout warriors which is a red flag. An example of how sometimes these things are no win scenarios. Mauigoa's testing numbers are similar to Penei Sewell so it isn't like they are bad.
Him being a S is one reason.
I can fill that role for you. lol
I mean I want him because he's a hella good player, I don't care what a scouting service says Stout. I use their information to form my own opinion, and outside of David Bailey, based on smart roster building you use your high picks on expensive positions, not cheapo second rate positions like RB.
Beanie Wells flash back
Yes, and judging prospects in this draft, I think Love is leaps and bounds better than Mauigoa. It's hard for us to come to an accord because you see Love as nothing more than a middling prospect. If this was Joe Alt vs. Love, we don't have to have a conversation, really. Judging Mauigoa in this draft against his peers, I think he should barely make the top-10, and really more be picked in the middle of the 1st.
It's absurd to simplify it into "content." I work in Digital Media - I can certainly differentiate. I'm not building my opinions off of unpaid YouTubers or TikTok videos, I'm reading, watching, and listening to people who actually get paid to do this for a living, many of which have been doing it before #content was a thing.
Consolidating these three points, yes, Bailey is a clearly deserving top guy, with a position match. He won't be there. Your assertion that Mauigoa is a good player in a draft bereft of good players, but as you continue into Love... I think Love is a great player in a draft bereft of good players. I see amazing burst and vision that will impact games.
Sure, no players win games on their own, it's the NFL. But certain players impact games in a way that others simply can't. Mauigoa isn't making a play by himself that goes for 90 yards and a TD. Wilkerson is a scary starting option, but there's other ways to acquire RTs. If the cupboard is bare at the start of round 2 at tackle, then make a trade. Something.
Money talks, but we're about to see premier players finally get paid as their contract comes up. The market is about to flip on its head at RB. Part of the reason RBs were going underpaid is because there weren't a lot of elite talents, and that's starting to shift.
