Fan Fun Food discussion thread

[Stout]

Because of the negative conotations that the name implies. I already stated an example previously.

Calling someone a stan is like calling them a shill. Can you tell me that calling someone a shill for this organization isn't attacking fandom?

Uh, it's the opposite of darksider, and darksiders get ridiculed for it all the time. Do we have to invent "lightsider" to take the place of stan or shill or Mouth of Sauron or something? Joking on the last one.

 

[Dback Jon]

Also the “dark slider” is really more of a self proclaimed title by most on the board and in that thread they call themselves one. I can’t think of a time I’ve seen the term where it’s thrown out as an insult from other posters who are over positive.

Correct. Stans is thrown out as an insult.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Uh, it's the opposite of darksider, and darksiders get ridiculed for it all the time. Do we have to invent "lightsider" to take the place of stan or shill or Mouth of Sauron or something? Joking on the last one.

Exactly and we already had a word for it. 'koolaider.' Stan is used as an insult like Jon said. Please don't pretend it isn't.

 

[Stout]

Exactly and we already had a word for it. 'koolaider.' Stan is used as an insult like Jon said. Please don't pretend it isn't.

I'll return to using koolaider.

 

[Dback Jon]

I'll return to using koolaider.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I disagree. Calling him a 'stan' IS questioning his fandom. Why does it matter if it is positive or negative.

I don’t think you are understanding what it means to question something. It’s literally challenging whether it’s true or not. No one is saying it’s false that they are fans of the team.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Completely disagree. You aren't supposed to be talking about someone's fandom. Especially in a negative way.

It absolutely goes against our rule of 'debate the topic, not the poster.'

Calling someone a stan is name calling and against our rules. I'm completely floored how this is a debate.

You make a valid point about debate the topic not the poster. But that’s a different rule. That’s not questioning their fandom. I’m okay if you want to move the goalposts and argue that. But it’s not questioning fandom. Words have meaning. And every day we see what I consider the bastardization of language. It’s a problem that creates other problems. Let’s not do that.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Because of the negative conotations that the name implies. I already stated an example previously.

Calling someone a stan is like calling them a shill. Can you tell me that calling someone a shill for this organization isn't attacking fandom?

Wait, you don’t think darksider is a negative name? No one named themself a darksider. That was thrust on people decades ago. We all just allowed it and lived with it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Also the “dark sider” is really more of a self proclaimed title by most on the board and in that thread they call themselves one. I can’t think of a time I’ve seen the term where it’s thrown out as an insult from other posters who are over positive.

Nope. Youre not remember the beginning of the dark side. This isn’t ego based, but I’m kinda sure it was thrown at cheese and I back in the day. We tried to tell people we were realists, but we were called negative. It eventually evolved into the darkside. But it’s still derogatory. It was allowed because skkorp didn’t like cheese and I in the beginning. Nor did nidan. Eventually they realized were true fans just more objective when it came to analyzing the team.

 

[Chaplin]

Whether you like the front office or not, being an Arizona Cardinal fan is a special kind of strange.

 

[some dumb guy]

Hey, how 'bout those Diamondbacks??

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Wait, you don’t think darksider is a negative name? No one named themself a darksider. That was thrust on people decades ago. We all just allowed it and lived with it.

Not as how we have been using the koolaid/darksider terms for the past few years, like you said. I definitely don't believe creating a new term for a koolaider is needed, especially how it has been used.

After reflection, if people feel that the darksider/koolaider terms are offensive, we can have a mod/global discussion about its use.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Nope. Youre not remember the beginning of the dark side. This isn’t ego based, but I’m kinda sure it was thrown at cheese and I back in the day. We tried to tell people we were realists, but we were called negative. It eventually evolved into the darkside. But it’s still derogatory. It was allowed because skkorp didn’t like cheese and I in the beginning. Nor did nidan. Eventually they realized were true fans just more objective when it came to analyzing the team.

Aren't people wearing the darksider term as almost a badge of honor these days?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You make a valid point about debate the topic not the poster. But that’s a different rule. That’s not questioning their fandom. I’m okay if you want to move the goalposts and argue that. But it’s not questioning fandom. Words have meaning. And every day we see what I consider the bastardization of language. It’s a problem that creates other problems. Let’s not do that.

Calling people a stan is questioning HOW they are a fan of the team, right?

 

[daves]

I disagree. Calling him a 'stan' IS questioning his fandom. Why does it matter if it is positive or negative.

I don’t think you are understanding what it means to question something. It’s literally challenging whether it’s true or not. No one is saying it’s false that they are fans of the team.

I don't think you are understanding what it means to question something.

You don't have to question the existence of people's fandom to questioning the validity of their fandom. Both are forms of questioning. Calling someone a "Stan" or "shill" or saying someone's writing from Bidwill's burner phone are clearly insults designed to question a person's fandom. It's saying that the person isn't the right kind of fan - one who doesn't support the team in the proper way.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Calling someone a "Stan" or "shill" or saying someone's writing from Bidwill's burner phone are clearly insults designed to question a person's fandom. It's saying that the person isn't the right kind of fan - one who doesn't support the team in the proper way.

I don't agree with this - I can say someone is a stan or shill and think they don't get it, but that doesn't mean I think they're not the right kind of fan, or support the team in the "proper" way.

The right kind of fan is someone who supports the Arizona Cardinals, which both the kool-aid crew and darksiders do. This team sucks - we need a big tent.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't think you are understanding what it means to question something.

You don't have to question the existence of people's fandom to questioning the validity of their fandom. Both are forms of questioning. Calling someone a "Stan" or "shill" or saying someone's writing from Bidwill's burner phone are clearly insults designed to question a person's fandom. It's saying that the person isn't the right kind of fan - one who doesn't support the team in the proper way.

Ask any ai model what it means to “question someone’s fandom.” I just did. It’s pretty straight forward no matter how you want to pretzel to keep the argument going.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't agree with this - I can say someone is a stan or shill and think they don't get it, but that doesn't mean I think they're not the right kind of fan, or support the team in the "proper" way.

The right kind of fan is someone who supports the Arizona Cardinals, which both the kool-aid crew and darksiders do. This team sucks - we need a big tent.

Right. Even if someone was criticizing me claiming I was always pessimistic it wouldn’t be questioning my fandom. It would be wrong, but not violating the board rule.

 

[daves]

Ask any ai model what it means to “question someone’s fandom.” I just did. It’s pretty straight forward no matter how you want to pretzel to keep the argument going.

I don't have to ask an AI model to understand the explicit and implicit meaning of words.

Questioning something doesn't exclusively mean denying the existence of it.

But here you go, from Gemini (with sources). Note the parts I bolded.

As a verb, question means to ask someone questions (often in an official or thorough manner), or to express doubt and suspicion about the validity of something. It acts as a transitive verb (e.g., "The police questioned the suspect") or an intransitive verb (e.g., "She didn't hesitate to question"). -- Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Key Definitions and Usage:
To interrogate or inquire: To ask for information, especially in a formal, detailed, or suspicious way.
To doubt or challenge: To express uncertainty, dispute, or call into question the truth or suitability of something. --Britannica

Synonyms: Interrogate, query, quiz, examine, challenge, dispute, doubt, distrust.
Antonyms: Accept, trust, believe, agree. --Collins Dictionary

You're right - it IS pretty straightforward! Expressing doubt about the validity or suitability of people's fandom is indeed a form of questioning their fandom.

I believe that calling someone a Stan or shill or Mouth of Sauron is doing just that. You may disagree on this part, but not on the meaning of "questioning".

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I don't agree with this - I can say someone is a stan or shill and think they don't get it, but that doesn't mean I think they're not the right kind of fan, or support the team in the "proper" way.

The right kind of fan is someone who supports the Arizona Cardinals, which both the kool-aid crew and darksiders do. This team sucks - we need a big tent.

If you do that you are name calling and are breaking the rules. Please do not do that.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

If you do that you are name calling and are breaking the rules. Please do not do that.

That was a hypothetical.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That was a hypothetical.

I hear ya. Just making sure the point is abundantly clear.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Is it illegal now to say someone is too optimistic, or too negative in general about a particular Cardinals related topic?

 

[some dumb guy]

Is it illegal now to say someone is too optimistic, or too negative in general about a particular Cardinals related topic?

This site has been here for over 20 years and JUST NOW, verbiage is coming into question??
Only Cardinal fans...gotta Love it!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Is it illegal now to say someone is too optimistic, or too negative in general about a particular Cardinals related topic?

Not at all. Stick to using polite language or darksider/koolaider terms. (at least for now)