Do You See What I See?

[slanidrac16]

Why would someone highly sought after come here? This is incel mindset.

You’re right. Screw it. Let’s just keep Gannon.

 

[daves]

I want the complete coaching staff fired on the Monday after next Sunday at12:01am

Why wait - the game should be over by 5:30 MST Sunday.

 

[SOCALCARD]

I was caroling at church Sunday and the above line hit me. My question is are you seeing what I’m seeing? With slight alteration came my thread title. What I think I’m seeing is the team is going backwards because players are not learning or they are going backwards skill-wise.

Look at DTD. I’d swear he covered and tackled better when he got to AZ. Sure he wasn’t starting, but in his limited time I thought he played well. Now I watch him miss tackles and be out of position on pass plays.

It took massive injuries for Wilson to get targeted more than once or twice in a game.

I’m also seeing players who looked great in college seem oddly ineffective at best in the NFL. Harrison would be a key example. He never had a drop problem in college except in one aberrant game. He was a big play receiver, but can’t make one for the Cards.

Take Burch. A uniquely skilled force of nature, both in college and the preseason. Now you rarely hear his name. Browning is seldom useful. Why isn’t Burch getting the experience? Who’s the future?

W Johnson was a major turnover factor in college. He has no interceptions this season.

I could list more but I don’t think injuries are the only reason the Cards are pitiful this season. There is virtually no player development. That’s coaching and game planning. This staff has failed totally to put a competitive team on the field. More importantly they’ve failed to get the most out of healthy players. They should be let go.

I hate to say this Harry but Stevie Wonder saw this trend starting several years ago. You can leave Trey McBride out of the regression conversation. He’s the only one I can think of off the top of my head though.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

What makes the job so unattractive is there's no QB in place.
The Bears organization has been pretty bad too but they had Caleb Williams in place. Along comes Ben Johnson and they're contenders in 1 year.

Mikey is a hindrance but with players in place, a HC candidate will come.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

I can’t stand passiveness. Go out a be aggressive.
I get back to signing Kubiak. He is going to be highly sought after. Why can’t we be the team that gets a guy like this?
We are consistently the organization sucking hind mammary gland.

I'm starting to believe it's because no one wants to work for MB, supposedly the Cardinals scouting dept is far behind others not to mention he won't hire a football operations person etc etc, it's torture being a Cardinals fan yet here I am.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Why wait - the game should be over by 5:30 MST Sunday.

Totally agree

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[Red on White]

Going backwards

Tanking for draft picks? When Pick 1 wasn't enough to turn things around, and neither was Pick 4. But Pick 5 will be?

The start of the season was even more troubling than the dismal finish. After the whole preseason and with the squad fit and healthy and QB1 playing we were awful out of the gate. Even in our wins. Doesn't look like the current group are capable of building anything sadly

 

[kerouac9]

What makes the job so unattractive is there's no QB in place.
The Bears organization has been pretty bad too but they had Caleb Williams in place. Along comes Ben Johnson and they're contenders in 1 year.

Mikey is a hindrance but with players in place, a HC candidate will come.

We
Had a QB in place three years ago and couldn’t get anyone to talk to us

 

[cardpa]

Did he look like a guy who deserved to start? When I checked the box score he was 0-2 with an INT.

FWIW I thought Tune was always likely very bad and the enthusiasm about him here was deranged. I dunno if he was offered a spot on the practice squad here and said no or the Cards just weren’t interested in giving him one.

Either way, not great.

The INT was not his fault. WR just let the ball go through his hands. He came in late after the game was decided.

 

[Harry]

I’m not sure I agree with your premise — that a great college player will be a great pro player — but I do agree that the Cards’ problems are likely coaching or lack of it. When the new regime came in, I seriously thought we’d be in the playoffs year 3. But here we are, year 3, and we’re farther from the playoff than we were last year. There doesn’t seem to be a strong team in the near future. So what happened? Drafting? Coaching? Injuries? QB? OL? I’d like to give the coaching staff one more year, but would we be right back at the same spot this time next year, asking the same questions? I’m beginning to think the answer is: Let’s not rerun the same script again.

You are certainly correct thst a great college player may not become a successful NFL player. My concern is that typically they don’t improve and reach the higher level needed to play in the NFL where you face a solid competitor every week. However, I don’t think it’s common that they develop problems they didn’t have in college. So maybe Johnson’s failure is understandable, but the Harrison situation is surprising to me. Still you make a good point.

 

[Harry]

How many of the Cardinals coaching staff ever played in the NFL?

Interesting observation.

 

[Harry]

Did he look like a guy who deserved to start? When I checked the box score he was 0-2 with an INT.

FWIW I thought Tune was always likely very bad and the enthusiasm about him here was deranged. I dunno if he was offered a spot on the practice squad here and said no or the Cards just weren’t interested in giving him one.

Either way, not great.

I thought it was okay to sign Tune. I did not think it was okay for him to be the primary backup. Perhaps they were trying to assure Murray he was the man. You can see how easily a QB controversy started when they got a real backup. Not getting a solid backup was a tactical mistake.

 

[swagron]

I thought it was okay to sign Tune. I did not think it was okay for him to be the primary backup. Perhaps they were trying to assure Murray he was the man. You can see how easily a QB controversy started when they got a real backup. Not getting a solid backup was a tactical mistake.

Exactly. They were afraid of hurting the little guys confidence. I knew when they signed a real backup, this would be the outcome. KM never tried because he never had to. The job was given to him due to his generational talent. He wilted to the competition, just like he does on the field.

 

[gmartin]

Yes your evaluations couldn’t possibly be wrong. It’s the coaches’ fault.

Just like Clayton Tune was a starting caliber player.

There you go again. WHY??

 

[CardNots]

Going backwards

Tanking for draft picks? When Pick 1 wasn't enough to turn things around, and neither was Pick 4. But Pick 5 will be?

The start of the season was even more troubling than the dismal finish. After the whole preseason and with the squad fit and healthy and QB1 playing we were awful out of the gate. Even in our wins. Doesn't look like the current group are capable of building anything sadly

You are correct on all accounts but we did beat Dallas

 

[kerouac9]

For the record, Baron Browning played 4 more snaps than Jordan Burch.

 

[Chopper0080]

For the record, Baron Browning played 4 more snaps than Jordan Burch.

Monti did the Keim thing where he acquired a player at a low cost who was ok at that cost but then extended him and now he is not living up to the contract. Monti traded for Browning who produced 2 sacks in 2024. He decided to reward that with 2yrs, 15 mil, 10 guaranteed which netted him another 2 sacks in 2025.

#SoberKeim strikes again.

 

[kerouac9]

Monti did the Keim thing where he acquired a player at a low cost who was ok at that cost but then extended him and now he is not living up to the contract. Monti traded for Browning who produced 2 sacks in 2024. He decided to reward that with 2yrs, 15 mil, 10 guaranteed which netted him another 2 sacks in 2025.

#SoberKeim strikes again.

Eh. I don’t really have a problem with Browning. He’s either the second or third best edge on the team. Seems to get pressure all right considering we don’t need to rush the passer much.

We can cut him this offseason and save $5M on the cap or see if he’ll take a pay cut.

I think Josh Sweat soaked up a bunch of “easy sacks” that guys like Browning and Stills would have otherwise scooped up while not really adding much in terms of hard sacks.

 

[Chopper0080]

Eh. I don’t really have a problem with Browning. He’s either the second or third best edge on the team. Seems to get pressure all right considering we don’t need to rush the passer much.

We can cut him this offseason and save $5M on the cap or see if he’ll take a pay cut.

I think Josh Sweat soaked up a bunch of “easy sacks” that guys like Browning and Stills would have otherwise scooped up while not really adding much in terms of hard sacks.

I don't have an issue in a vacuum either outside of him being signed to be your other pass rushing edge in a make or break year. It's another example of having zero sense of urgency to compete. OG was the same thing. Evan Brown is not terrible as an individual NFL player. That said, you can't have your interior OG rotation be Evan Brown, Isiah Adams, and a recovering Will Hernandez in your playoff push year. Zay Jones and Greg Dortch can't be your WR3 and 4. ADG had no business being ILB2.

When Monti saw his draft picks inability to make immediate impacts he signed PS guys to compete with them instead of signing actual NFL players.

 

[Red on White]

You are correct on all accounts but we did beat Dallas

The Dallas win
Michael Wilson breaking out
Trey McBride's season, particularly end zone output

The few positives

Those last two partial credit to Brissett maybe? He's not a QB1 but at least a couple of pieces of our offence have progressed in partnership with him. One small area of the roster (the only?) that has improved in 2025.

 

[slanidrac16]

The Dallas win
Michael Wilson breaking out
Trey McBride's season, particularly end zone output

The few positives

Those last two partial credit to Brissett maybe? He's not a QB1 but at least a couple of pieces of our offence have progressed in partnership with him. One small area of the roster (the only?) that has improved in 2025.

Get ready to duck…

 

[Stout]

I hate to say this Harry but Stevie Wonder saw this trend starting several years ago. You can leave Trey McBride out of the regression conversation. He’s the only one I can think of off the top of my head though.

Yep and it began with the GM refusing to make this team better or even try.

 

[Harry]

Browning was a known quantity and had limited, if any, unexplored upside. Burch has a chance to become a better player and typically would benefit more from the plaing time. The fact they got nearly equal playing time, especially after the season was lost makes no sense to me. They need to know what, if anything, they really have in Burch.

 

[kerouac9]

Browning was a known quantity and had limited, if any, unexplored upside. Burch has a chance to become a better player and typically would benefit more from the plaing time. The fact they got nearly equal playing time, especially after the season was lost makes no sense to me. They need to know what, if anything, they really have in Burch.

Man it’s like they don’t have three more seasons to find out!

Wait what?

 

[WisconsinCard]

Man sometimes you can really be condescending. Like you were never wrong. Whatever. Don’t bother to respond.

Ignoring posters like that make the board much more enjoyable for me anyway. He only exists to try and prove someone is wrong or to try and make people believe he's the smartest person in the room. No content whatsoever. IMO