DHop just PP21 All Over Again

[Chris_Sanders]

According to Jurecki, DHop wanted to be traded back in October. So back when he was suspended for PEDs he was already planning his exit.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

According to Jurecki, DHop wanted to be traded back in October. So back when he was suspended for PEDs he was already planning his exit.

Maybe Mike PP21'd his contract, but Hop stayed quiet and didn't make a stink like Pat did.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

According to Jurecki, DHop wanted to be traded back in October. So back when he was suspended for PEDs he was already planning his exit.

Don't really blame him for wanting to play for a winner. I just hope we don't trade him on the cheap if we do trade him. (which we shouldn't)

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Maybe Mike PP21'd his contract, but Hop stayed quiet and didn't make a stink like Pat did.

Yeah there has just been a lot of conjecture about why he wants out. He also has a no trade clause so he will dictate who he gets traded to after quitting at the end.

What a waste...

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Don't really blame him for wanting to play for a winner. I just hope we don't trade him on the cheap if we do trade him. (which we shouldn't)

We are 100% trading him and he gets to pick where.

 

[TRW]

We are 100% trading him and he gets to pick where.

Dallas, New England, Jets, Giants, maybe Ravens?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Yeah there has just been a lot of conjecture about why he wants out. He also has a no trade clause so he will dictate who he gets traded to after quitting at the end.

What a waste...

It's really a shame, because he came back on fire with Murray. I think he lead the NFL in receptions and/or yards during that stretch.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Dallas, New England, Jets, Giants, maybe Ravens?

I think he ends up in New England with Kliff.

 

[TRW]

I think he ends up in New England with Kliff.

I don't know about Kliff but that would be where I would wager DHop would want to go.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Should have just left out the 21 in thread title!

 

[Solar7]

I'm still in wait-and-see mode on this. If we do acquire Sean Payton, I could envision it being the kind of move that piques his interest in staying on.

Or maybe not. Maybe the rumors about Kyler are worse than we think, which probably isn't going to be any better for DHop with him potentially missing early games and taking a while to get back to form. Age is certainly a factor here.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think if we trade him, he goes to Dallas.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Unless New England's QB is suddenly not Mac Jones no way he goes to New England.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I'm still in wait-and-see mode on this. If we do acquire Sean Payton, I could envision it being the kind of move that piques his interest in staying on.

Or maybe not. Maybe the rumors about Kyler are worse than we think, which probably isn't going to be any better for DHop with him potentially missing early games and taking a while to get back to form. Age is certainly a factor here.

It's not about Kyler and there is zero chance he stays.

 

[kerouac9]

Don't really blame him for wanting to play for a winner. I just hope we don't trade him on the cheap if we do trade him. (which we shouldn't)

Lol. You’re smarter than this.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Unless New England's QB is suddenly not Mac Jones no way he goes to New England.

Bill Bellicheck ain’t giving up a high pick for a WR on the wrong side of 30, who’s had injury/PED issues the last two years.

And before anyone says he traded for Randy Moss, they only dealt a 4th rounder for him. We should be able to at least get a 3rd if not a mid 2nd.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Bill Bellicheck ain’t giving up a high pick for a WR on the wrong side of 30, who’s had injury/PED issues the last two years.

And before anyone says he traded for Randy Moss, they only dealt a 4th rounder for him. We should be able to at least get a 3rd if not a mid 2nd.

And who wants a big extension as part of that trade.

 

[CardsFan88]

Airbnb is going to lose its best house party customer in the Phx metro area and gain one wherever he's traded to.

Love his talent, not his practice (or driving) habits.

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Whoever our new GM is, don't sell low.

Despite all this, I wish he would reconsider, but a leopard never changes its spots.

I wonder if we could extend him (with roster bonus guarantees dated AFTER the trade in the first/second year) that lowers his hit against us when we trade him, but give him the 'guarantees' he needs? (and still be a little cheaper for the acquiring team than market value, since we'll still be taking a hit)

I also hope our new GM, if possible, can play the cap angle for higher compensation. More hit, higher pick.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Lol. You’re smarter than this.

You don't think he wants to be a winner?

I have already stated that I think is #1 motivation is money. He wants a new contract. If you think that D-Hop could get the same contract from AZ or Dallas, which would he choose?

Thank you for thinking I am at least a little smart, btw.

 

[kerouac9]

I wonder if we could extend him (with roster bonus guarantees dated AFTER the trade in the first/second year) that lowers his hit against us when we trade him, but give him the 'guarantees' he needs? (and still be a little cheaper for the acquiring team than market value, since we'll still be taking a hit)

If we trade him, is non-guaranteed $19 million salary is an utter steal for the team that gets him. They’d likely to be thrilled to tack on an additional 2-3 years and guarantee the salaries for 2023 and 2024 plus bonuses.

It’s literally what happened with his deal coming here. It’s hard for us to add new money to his deal when he has a $30 million cap charge if nothing happens—unless we want to create salary cap overhang for post-2025.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I'm still in wait-and-see mode on this. If we do acquire Sean Payton, I could envision it being the kind of move that piques his interest in staying on.

Or maybe not. Maybe the rumors about Kyler are worse than we think, which probably isn't going to be any better for DHop with him potentially missing early games and taking a while to get back to form. Age is certainly a factor here.

Wolf said the new coach coming in may be part of the reason he wants out. Whoever the new coach is will take a much different approach than Coach Bro did. Soft practices or no practices for the star players? Extra days off? Nope. It's more than likely that the new coach will come in and say "Everyone practices and they practice hard."

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

PP and DHop are "me first" type of guys. They are great individual talents but not winners. PP said on the radio he would rather have a hall of fame jacket than a superbowl ring. I want a team with a unified mindset and team first culture.

 

[kerouac9]

You don't think he wants to be a winner?

I have already stated that I think is #1 motivation is money. He wants a new contract. If you think that D-Hop could get the same contract from AZ or Dallas, which would he choose?

Thank you for thinking I am at least a little smart, btw.

I think it’s his like fourth or fifth priority.

Guaranteed money
Bonus
Salary
Targets
Less practice
Winning

 

[kerouac9]

PP and DHop are "me first" type of guys. They are great individual talents but not winners. PP said on the radio he would rather have a hall of fame jacket than a superbowl ring. I want a team with a unified mindset and team first culture.

Yeah. When was the last playoff game Patrick Peterson appeared in???

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think it’s his like fourth or fifth priority.

Guaranteed money
Bonus
Salary
Targets
Less practice
Winning

The top 3 are all about his contract.
#4 doesn't really matter because he will get his targets no matter the QB or team throwing to him.