Deandre Ayton discussion

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That's not necessarily DA's fault though, LA went small specifically to try and neutralize his interior defense. Gasol, Drummond, and Harrell all rode pine from about midpoint of the 3rd quarter and they had Kieff or Bron playing 5 the rest of the way.

In defense of these Lakers (?) they were not the only team having problems with the Suns this year.
 

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It started in the bubble imo, Ayton started rising to the occasion during big moments but would still get the ticky tack fouls and end up missing minutes

That's one of the biggest leaps Ayton has made in my opinion, and he's still getting better at foul management. The confidence and agility have been so much fun to watch, he's out there realizing he can bang with anybody
This series he really did a great job not allowing fouls to limit him.
 

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Sorry, if another team can effectively scheme your impact out of the game, you didn’t have a good game. It’s pretty simple. Really good players don’t allow themselves to be minimized.
Don't disagree in the slightest. I mentioned in another thread that Ayton just couldn't make LA pay for putting Markieff on him, and that's ultimately what led to him not playing much in the 4th.

This series he really did a great job not allowing fouls to limit him.
Yup. He very rarely bit on fakes by anyone this series. I'd love to see him push up just a little bit more on shooters outside, but he contested well without fouling and was able to avoid offensive fouls for the most part.
 

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This was great!

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I'd feel better if Deandre Ayton had performed better the last two games of the Lakers series: 8 points and 7 rebounds in Game 5 and 8 points and 3 rebounds in Game 6.

He was on another level in the first four games.
 

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I'd feel better if Deandre Ayton had performed better the last two games of the Lakers series: 8 points and 7 rebounds in Game 5 and 8 points and 3 rebounds in Game 6.

He was on another level in the first four games.
Game 5 didn’t worry me as much. He slept walked through the first quarter but then flashed in the second (like 7 and 5). By the third quarter the game was over.

but the last game he was almost nonexistent except for a short spurt in the fourth. Cant have game 6 Ayton in the nugz series.
 

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I'd feel better if Deandre Ayton had performed better the last two games of the Lakers series: 8 points and 7 rebounds in Game 5 and 8 points and 3 rebounds in Game 6.

He was on another level in the first four games.

dude is a human yo-yo. Game 5, he made an impact despite those numbers as most of them came in the big push to get the lead to 30 at half. Game 6 we saw sleepy Ayton again.

the entire season was like this. We shouldn’t be surprised to see that continuing in the post season. My hope is we see enough of the yo-yo go up in each series to keep moving on.
 

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Game 5 didn’t worry me as much. He slept walked through the first quarter but then flashed in the second (like 7 and 5). By the third quarter the game was over.

but the last game he was almost nonexistent except for a short spurt in the fourth. Cant have game 6 Ayton in the nugz series.

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Game 5 didn’t worry me as much. He slept walked through the first quarter but then flashed in the second (like 7 and 5). By the third quarter the game was over.

but the last game he was almost nonexistent except for a short spurt in the fourth. Cant have game 6 Ayton in the nugz series.

dude is a human yo-yo. Game 5, he made an impact despite those numbers as most of them came in the big push to get the lead to 30 at half. Game 6 we saw sleepy Ayton again.

the entire season was like this. We shouldn’t be surprised to see that continuing in the post season. My hope is we see enough of the yo-yo go up in each series to keep moving on.

The reason I mentioned Game 5 and 6 is because Jokic is a machine. He is relentless. The Suns chances of winning the series with the Nuggets will largely depend on Ayton playing consistent offense and defense.
 

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Games 5 and 6 were both strange games. We got up massively in both due to Booker’s flame throwing, and that changed the dynamics. Also, in Game 6, the Lakers went small and Monty sat DA.

In all the games that were contests wire to wire he showed out.

Also, if anyone ever cares to look beyond the box score I think you will see that DA’s energy and gravity helped open things up for our shooters and guards. Moreover, even though he only had 3 rebounds in 32 minutes in game 6, we comfortably outrebounded LA, and of course his presence under the basket is a big reason why.
 

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Game 5 didn’t worry me as much. He slept walked through the first quarter but then flashed in the second (like 7 and 5). By the third quarter the game was over.

but the last game he was almost nonexistent except for a short spurt in the fourth. Cant have game 6 Ayton in the nugz series.
So I took that as an indirect challenge to rewatch Game 6 and see how Ayton played. I only watched the first quarter, but here are my notes:

Played 9:27 minutes

Wins tip

2 solid Screen Assists but multiple solid screens. Also looked open twice on both S&R opportunities.

2 Contested Shots on Lebron James, he missed both badly.
Only once was he scored on: Kuzma with nice running hook with DA perfectly extended to contest.
His man probably had the ball 10 times and passed on 7 of them. DS even got a TO because he didn't want to try to shoot over him. IOW they wanted no part of shooting over him.

2 Rebounds. Was in position for a defensive rebound 4 out of 5 opportunites. (didn't have a lot of opportunites because he's defending AD and Gasol on the perimeter). The one miss was Harrell beat him to the spot late in the quarter (3:29) He subbed out 1 minute later (2:33). Offensively he had zero opportunities due to two excellent box outs by AD and Gasol.

Only touched the ball 2 times(!) on O. Once when he was in his baseline position to crash boards (this is when he isn't part of the play and looks only to get OR), Book shouldn't have passed to him there. The other time Book passed to him in the lane, looks like a fumble, but the pass was a laser, the ball found its way back to Book for a short baseline made 2.

It was a nearly flawless 9:29. One missed box out. One possible fumbled pass. A ton of great plays on the defensive end. Lakers scored 12 points in his 9:27.

I'll gladly have this DA in the Nuggets series.
 

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So I took that as an indirect challenge to rewatch Game 6 and see how Ayton played. I only watched the first quarter, but here are my notes:

Played 9:27 minutes

Wins tip

2 solid Screen Assists but multiple solid screens. Also looked open twice on both S&R opportunities.

2 Contested Shots on Lebron James, he missed both badly.
Only once was he scored on: Kuzma with nice running hook with DA perfectly extended to contest.
His man probably had the ball 10 times and passed on 7 of them. DS even got a TO because he didn't want to try to shoot over him. IOW they wanted no part of shooting over him.

2 Rebounds. Was in position for a defensive rebound 4 out of 5 opportunites. (didn't have a lot of opportunites because he's defending AD and Gasol on the perimeter). The one miss was Harrell beat him to the spot late in the quarter (3:29) He subbed out 1 minute later (2:33). Offensively he had zero opportunities due to two excellent box outs by AD and Gasol.

Only touched the ball 2 times(!) on O. Once when he was in his baseline position to crash boards (this is when he isn't part of the play and looks only to get OR), Book shouldn't have passed to him there. The other time Book passed to him in the lane, looks like a fumble, but the pass was a laser, the ball found its way back to Book for a short baseline made 2.

It was a nearly flawless 9:29. One missed box out. One possible fumbled pass. A ton of great plays on the defensive end. Lakers scored 12 points in his 9:27.

I'll gladly have this DA in the Nuggets series.
Thank you for going back and reviewing a quarter of his play. You haven’t posted here often enough for me to know if you’re typically a critic or defender of Ayton. I’m curious whether I’d describe the quarter in the same manner. Usually when Ayton gets boxed out it’s bc he doesn’t exert effort. But I really don’t have the desire to spend my time trying beat up Ayton.

The truth is, as I and a lot of other posters have been saying, that we don’t win a game against the lakers without Ayton. It’s a baseline requirement for a suns win. And I’m sure in all of them you can find a myriad of the little un-counted actions (like screens and shot alterations) that he provides that add to a win. But also the truth is when he scores just 8 points and grabs just 3 rebounds that’s under production that makes winning more difficult. We were lucky that book and crowder were blazing to counter his underproduction. Overall Ayton had a terrific series. It’s okay to admit that one of those games was less than stellar.
 

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So I took that as an indirect challenge to rewatch Game 6 and see how Ayton played. I only watched the first quarter, but here are my notes:

Played 9:27 minutes

Wins tip

2 solid Screen Assists but multiple solid screens. Also looked open twice on both S&R opportunities.

2 Contested Shots on Lebron James, he missed both badly.
Only once was he scored on: Kuzma with nice running hook with DA perfectly extended to contest.
His man probably had the ball 10 times and passed on 7 of them. DS even got a TO because he didn't want to try to shoot over him. IOW they wanted no part of shooting over him.

2 Rebounds. Was in position for a defensive rebound 4 out of 5 opportunites. (didn't have a lot of opportunites because he's defending AD and Gasol on the perimeter). The one miss was Harrell beat him to the spot late in the quarter (3:29) He subbed out 1 minute later (2:33). Offensively he had zero opportunities due to two excellent box outs by AD and Gasol.

Only touched the ball 2 times(!) on O. Once when he was in his baseline position to crash boards (this is when he isn't part of the play and looks only to get OR), Book shouldn't have passed to him there. The other time Book passed to him in the lane, looks like a fumble, but the pass was a laser, the ball found its way back to Book for a short baseline made 2.

It was a nearly flawless 9:29. One missed box out. One possible fumbled pass. A ton of great plays on the defensive end. Lakers scored 12 points in his 9:27.

I'll gladly have this DA in the Nuggets series.

amazing what happens when someone actually watches the game as opposed to being tethered to box score stats

well done
 

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Thank you for going back and reviewing a quarter of his play. You haven’t posted here often enough for me to know if you’re typically a critic or defender of Ayton. I’m curious whether I’d describe the quarter in the same manner. Usually when Ayton gets boxed out it’s bc he doesn’t exert effort. But I really don’t have the desire to spend my time trying beat up Ayton.

The truth is, as I and a lot of other posters have been saying, that we don’t win a game against the lakers without Ayton. It’s a baseline requirement for a suns win. And I’m sure in all of them you can find a myriad of the little un-counted actions (like screens and shot alterations) that he provides that add to a win. But also the truth is when he scores just 8 points and grabs just 3 rebounds that’s under production that makes winning more difficult. We were lucky that book and crowder were blazing to counter his underproduction. Overall Ayton had a terrific series. It’s okay to admit that one of those games was less than stellar.

For whatever it's worth I've found him to be knowledgeable and consistent as a poster and I've seen nothing that would suggest he turns a blind eye towards Ayton (or any player).
 

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So I took that as an indirect challenge to rewatch Game 6 and see how Ayton played. I only watched the first quarter, but here are my notes:

Played 9:27 minutes

Wins tip

2 solid Screen Assists but multiple solid screens. Also looked open twice on both S&R opportunities.

2 Contested Shots on Lebron James, he missed both badly.
Only once was he scored on: Kuzma with nice running hook with DA perfectly extended to contest.
His man probably had the ball 10 times and passed on 7 of them. DS even got a TO because he didn't want to try to shoot over him. IOW they wanted no part of shooting over him.

2 Rebounds. Was in position for a defensive rebound 4 out of 5 opportunites. (didn't have a lot of opportunites because he's defending AD and Gasol on the perimeter). The one miss was Harrell beat him to the spot late in the quarter (3:29) He subbed out 1 minute later (2:33). Offensively he had zero opportunities due to two excellent box outs by AD and Gasol.

Only touched the ball 2 times(!) on O. Once when he was in his baseline position to crash boards (this is when he isn't part of the play and looks only to get OR), Book shouldn't have passed to him there. The other time Book passed to him in the lane, looks like a fumble, but the pass was a laser, the ball found its way back to Book for a short baseline made 2.

It was a nearly flawless 9:29. One missed box out. One possible fumbled pass. A ton of great plays on the defensive end. Lakers scored 12 points in his 9:27.

I'll gladly have this DA in the Nuggets series.
This is quite helpful.
 

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