Deandre Ayton and Rookie expectations

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  1. ColdPickleNachos

    ColdPickleNachos Registered

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    I think there's about a 99% chance he gets third. However, he's still got a great chance to be the top guy 5-10 years from now, which matters way more.
     
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    Doncic played in 72 games while Ayton played in 71.

    Trae Young played in 81 games.
     
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    Hoop Head Señor Caca Cabeza Contributor

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    This essentially guarantees his spot on the All-Rookie 1st team so I guess it's good. I hope Bridges makes the 2nd team. I know Ayton isn't winning this and that's ok. He can shoot for "Most Improved" next year.
     
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    Superbone Phoenix native; Lifelong Suns Fan

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    Don’t shoot the messenger. :) I agree that he wasn’t injured “a lot”. Also, he played better than “OK”. He did some things very few have done before and one thing nobody has done before.
     
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    I think, to be unbiased, that the eye test showed that Ayton's influence on wins
    didn't match his impressive rookie stats. And, as a Suns fan, I agree.

    But the fault wasn't his. It was on a fired Coach who didn't use him properly on
    offense. And revolving General Managers who didn't provide a solid Point Guard
    to feed him or Power Forward to take pressure off him in the post.
     
  6. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    Lots of culpable actors in this play, but let’s not alleviate Ayton of his share of the blame. He was part of it all. I hope we see leaps and bounds in his growth this offseason.
     
  7. Yuma

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    Ayton's style of defense is to rotate to whoever has the ball. If that guys is behind the three point line, he is going to close out on that guy. I think that just leaves the paint open for offensive rebounds, and missed shot block opportunities. Until he sticks in the paint, and defends the paint like most highly regarded NBA defensive centers, we will always be light on defense in the paint. Partly it's up to a coach to change a guys tendencies for the betterment of the team. Ayton is just playing like he did in college defensively. No one on the Suns seemed to be able to change that, or they wanted him to play that way.
     
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    That's not unbiased, that is applying your usual bias by putting blame on others while absolving any and all blame directed towards Ayton himself. Claiming Ayton needed others to get him more involved is highlighting why he doesn't deserve an award for his play because he didn't do enough to earn it.

    What makes Ayton special if it takes changing 50% of the players on the court with him, and getting a new coach for him, to get him to impact the game more? Why then would it be Ayton impacting the game more and not those 2 other players and coach?
     
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    Oh, I was agreeing with you.

    I think Shaq was off base saying Ayton was injured a lot. That's why I included the breakdown on games played for the three primary rookie of the year candidates.
     
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    Ayton played his one year at UofA at Power Forward. He was not the Center.

    It takes a talented big-man coach to teach him to play Center without any
    history of it beyond High School. And the Suns (evidently) did not have that
    Assistant Coach.

    Blaming Ayton (and Booker and all of the Small Forwards covering Power
    Forward) is unfair to the players.

    Hopefully, that will change this coming season with Sarver taking steps
    back from his micro-managing and his hire of Monty. And hopefully, with
    his turning the team over to Jones. We're pulling for him, even though
    he didn't earn the promotion.
     
  11. Yuma

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    I am not blaming Ayton. Like I said, he played like he did at UofA. Whether he refused to change, or the Suns let him play that way I don't know. I am kind of thinking Igor wanted a switching offense. That seemed to be in vogue, having guys interchangeable switching on defense. I don't want my bigs switching like that. As we have seen, especially this playoffs, guards just take advantage of that. I do hope Monty Williams changes the way we use Ayton. Hopefully he will stay closer to the paint.
     
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    So in 5 years when Ayton is still playing like LaMarcus Aldridge are you going to bring up his one year at UofA?
     
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    Ayton is an excellent perimeter defender. I want to take advantage of that.
     
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    Rather the inexperience of a kid from the Bahamas at playing Center in organized basketball.

    He needed leadership to develop at Center in his first season and did not receive it.

    And who is defending the post while our Center is defending the perimeter? The Small Forwards playing
    Power Forward?

    As Casey Stengel said about the expansion Mets, "Does anyone here know how to play this game?" :)

    Does management?
     
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    It's funny that we now use LMA as an insult and just a handful of years ago people were arguing in favor of him as the best forward in the game.
     

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