Colvin!!!!

[Billy Flynt]

I have not seen anyone else post this report from KFFL

Cardinals | Formal Offer Coming Friday? - posted at KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)
6:01 PT: Updating Thursday's story, the Arizona Republic reports the Arizona Cardinals may present free agent LB Rosevelt Colvin's agent, Kennard McGuire, with a formal offer for Colvin later Friday. "They've (Cardinals) expressed that they would like me to come, and obviously whenever you fly somebody out first class and put them up in a nice little resort and take you out to dinner, they want you to be here as part of the team," Colvin said. "I think I'm a rush end playing linebacker. My heart is in rushing the passer. I was a defensive end in college for three years and had the opportunity to do that.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Sounds like they are doing what it takes to get him here.\

If we can sign Colvin it will take a little of the sting away from losing Boston.

 

[Tangodnzr]

This is encouraging news to me for a couple of reasons. First of all, I have been wondering why the Cards didn't do some of the red carpet hoopola for someone like Colvin like Atlanta did for Price, San Diego for Boston, and Denver for Jake. It looks like they did, they just haven't been advertising it as much.

I'm glad to see they did do some of those things for Colvin.
Secondly, it appears that he does want to play DE, which I think is another plus. It looks like he could fit in the system very well.

Like I said before, they get him in the fold, and a lot of other chips may start to fall in place. Contrary to what a few vocal naysayers are braying, I think the Cards do have a plan, and do know what they are doing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
This is encouraging news to me for a couple of reasons. First of all, I have been wondering why the Cards didn't do some of the red carpet hoopola for someone like Colvin like Atlanta did for Price, San Diego for Boston, and Denver for Jake. It looks like they did, they just haven't been advertising it as much.

I'm glad to see they did do some of those things for Colvin.
Secondly, it appears that he does want to play DE, which I think is another plus. It looks like he could fit in the system very well.

Like I said before, they get him in the fold, and a lot of other chips may start to fall in place. Contrary to what a few vocal naysayers are braying, I think the Cards do have a plan, and do know what they are doing.

Why do you have to antagonize and label us naysayers and that we are "braying", why can't you just say I believe the oposite without being condescending?

 

[Tangodnzr]

I just call 'em like I see 'em. Sorry if that offends you, as you have evidently placed yourself in that catagory..... I didn't.

Prove me wrong.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
I just call 'em like I see 'em. Sorry if that offends you, as you have evidently placed yourself in that catagory..... I didn't.

Prove me wrong.

Isn't it Graves who has to PROVE us wrong? What has he done besides loose our best player without any compensation in the last week and half? And why is calling them like I see it have to be antagonistic, are you saying that basically you're jerk and that's how you talk?

 

[Tangodnzr]

check your feet, something seems amiss.

YOU say losing Boston was boneheaded. That hasn't been proven yet....one way or the other. You "naysayers" are so impatient, a couple of days goes by, and you go into your chicken little act.

I think your cheese is melted.

 

[Stronso]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
check your feet, something seems amiss.

YOU say losing Boston was boneheaded. That hasn't been proven yet....one way or the other. You "naysayers" are so impatient, a couple of days goes by, and you go into your chicken little act.

I think your cheese is melted.

Losing Boston without compensation, IMO, was definately boneheaded. Look what happened today between the Bills and Falcons for Price as an example.

It is also not an issue of inpatience, outside of losing for the past odd decade or so. Things will happen, good or bad, but either way I reserve my right to comment on it just like you have the right to disagree with me if you choose. Also it might help if you refrained from the crass and cheap characterizations you are prone to put forth. It is unconstructive, irrelevant, and immature.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
check your feet, something seems amiss.

YOU say losing Boston was boneheaded. That hasn't been proven yet....one way or the other. You "naysayers" are so impatient, a couple of days goes by, and you go into your chicken little act.

I think your cheese is melted.

Why don't you read what I wrote? I say losing a player, who was our best without even SEEING if you could get compensated for it IS BONEHEAD! Not losing him outright - ther's more to the story than that. Tell me - what would have hurt to put the tag on him, considering that the tag can be rescinded if we choose to? And you know what I'm done with you - you can't go one post without antagonizing and in my eyes, that makes you a very sad human being.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
YOU say losing Boston was boneheaded.

Tango, you said yourself that not tagging Boston, and then losing him was a bad idea.

 

[maddogkf]

On losing Boston:

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Tango, you said yourself that not tagging Boston, and then losing him was a bad idea.

Yes, for months I had been saying tag Boston. Up until the actual negotiations were getting reported. Even during the negotiations I tended to still feel that way. But once Graves didn't, and some possible reasons why started coming out, I then changed my stance, and got blasted for it, if you remember.

My answer then, and now, is....I was willing to admit that I didn't know everything and trusted that Graves/Cards had a clue of what they were doing. I still stand by that, in spite of all the hullaballoo that's come down the last couple of days.

Time will only tell whether or not it was a mistake. A few impatient naysayers rantings certainly aren't proof of ANYTHING.

 

[Rats]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Yes, for months I had been saying tag Boston. Up until the actual negotiations were getting reported. Even during the negotiations I tended to still feel that way. But once Graves didn't, and some possible reasons why started coming out, I then changed my stance, and got blasted for it, if you remember.

My answer then, and now, is....I was willing to admit that I didn't know everything and trusted that Graves/Cards had a clue of what they were doing. I still stand by that, in spite of all the hullaballoo that's come down the last couple of days.

Time will only tell whether or not it was a mistake. A few impatient naysayers rantings certainly aren't proof of ANYTHING.

The key phrase here is that you admit that you don't know everything...thats good enough for me...now if Coach Mac gets an extension and is not a lameduck this season...I will also take the wait and see approach but with the situation as it is now...this team lacks clear direction, leadership, and FOCUS.

 

[RedStorm]

I still think not tagging Boston and getting some compenstation for him was bone head. 24 yrs old, former pro bowler, big, fast, a freak, first strike, no suspension. I think he is worth something. Graves bet the farm and lost. Funny...I seem to hear Bidwill's voice when Rod speaks....hmmm

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Yes, for months I had been saying tag Boston. Up until the actual negotiations were getting reported. Even during the negotiations I tended to still feel that way. But once Graves didn't, and some possible reasons why started coming out, I then changed my stance, and got blasted for it, if you remember.

My answer then, and now, is....I was willing to admit that I didn't know everything and trusted that Graves/Cards had a clue of what they were doing. I still stand by that, in spite of all the hullaballoo that's come down the last couple of days.

Time will only tell whether or not it was a mistake. A few impatient naysayers rantings certainly aren't proof of ANYTHING.

what were those possible reasons? His suspension - funny i don't see a suspension. His rampant drug use - funny i don't see any rampant drug use back up with anything but spitefulness. So what exactly are you talking about?

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
what were those possible reasons? His suspension - funny i don't see a suspension. His rampant drug use - funny i don't see any rampant drug use back up with anything but spitefulness. So what exactly are you talking about?

Don't you read any of the other posts besides your own?

For example:

Pinnacle posted in regard to Frank Sanders:

I cannot find a link to the AZ republic article with frank sanders.. Seems someone called sanders and got his opinion of boston and plummer leaving.. and he basically said - he does not blame the cardinals for not tagging them, it was the right thing to do - and he repeated the famous graves line - fans be patient - I (frank) have faith in rod graves

Or this post quoting Sanders:
"By not tagging either guy I think the team made the right decision, I really do," Sanders said. "It was looking after its interests. The guys did not live up to the Cardinals' expectations. At the same time, the team knew the consequences. Two potential young stars are gone. That had to be gutty not tagging either of them."

And these quotes from Graves interview, posted by Krang and Russ:

A lot more available info on David than we have.....issues can't be made public.

He also said there were issues that were "not off the field" which is interesting is he talking about injuries or something else?

Didn't you read any of these?????

Obviously these guys know a lot more about what's really happening than you, or any one outside the organization does.

Apparently there's a lot more going on than we know about.
Just because YOU don't "see" something doesn't mean squat.

Do you think these guys are lying????

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Don't you read any of the other posts besides your own?

For example:

Pinnacle posted in regard to Frank Sanders:

I cannot find a link to the AZ republic article with frank sanders.. Seems someone called sanders and got his opinion of boston and plummer leaving.. and he basically said - he does not blame the cardinals for not tagging them, it was the right thing to do - and he repeated the famous graves line - fans be patient - I (frank) have faith in rod graves

Or this post quoting Sanders:
"By not tagging either guy I think the team made the right decision, I really do," Sanders said. "It was looking after its interests. The guys did not live up to the Cardinals' expectations. At the same time, the team knew the consequences. Two potential young stars are gone. That had to be gutty not tagging either of them."

And these quotes from Graves interview, posted by Krang and Russ:

A lot more available info on David than we have.....issues can't be made public.

He also said there were issues that were "not off the field" which is interesting is he talking about injuries or something else?

Didn't you read any of these?????

Obviously these guys know a lot more about what's really happening than you, or any one outside the organization does.

Apparently there's a lot more going on than we know about.
Just because YOU don't "see" something doesn't mean squat.

Do you think these guys are lying????

Do you know what public relations spin is Tango? Haven't you ever heard of Damage control? You think Frank is going to come out and bash trhe team, when likely the best offer that will made him is going to come from us? As far as Graves - do you think San Diego's lying when they said they did their homework and are comfortable with Boston? Couldn't it be that Graves is spinning his wheels because he miscalculated the whole Boston scenario? Haven't the Cards as an organziation made personell snafus time after time again only to be proven wrong? now what you posted above does have merit, but couldn't it be the other way, as well? Things aren't as black and white as you make it out to seem.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Do you know what public relations spin is Tango?
Of course I do, I was probably doing PR work when you will still dirtying your diapers. And you are so fond of playing the "condenscending " card on me. Sheesh!!!
Haven't you ever heard of Damage control? You think Frank is going to come out and bash trhe team, when likely the best offer that will made him is going to come from us?
Frank Sanders has always been a class guy, never bad mouths ANYONE. And I don't think it was requisite for him to make a statement in regard to Boston. In fact I was really surprised to see it.
As far as Graves - do you think San Diego's lying when they said they did their homework and are comfortable with Boston?
So what if they are? Who disputes that? ....and what does it have to do with things that may have been going on with the Cards that the Bolts know nothing about?
Couldn't it be that Graves is spinning his wheels because he miscalculated the whole Boston scenario?
Sure, it's possible, but I'm not ready to skewer him just yet, as you seem so eager to do. And, like I have pointed out, now there are starting to drift out, little tidbits that indicate that there's more than we know behind all this.
Haven't the Cards as an organziation made personell snafus time after time again only to be proven wrong?
So who hasn't at some time or another. Your really seem to be grasping at straws now.
now what you posted above does have merit, but couldn't it be the other way, as well?
Yes, its possible, where I have ever said different? YOU are the one that has been ranting about how ignorant Graves/Cards are.
Things aren't as black and white as you make it out to seem.
Since when did I insinuate anything being black and white at all? YOU are the one that appears "guilty " of that , if anyone is. Don't put words in my mouth in an attempt to justify your preconceived take.

 

[imaCafan]

Hmmmmm...

I thought this thread was about R. Colvin!!! Guess not!!!

 

[Tangodnzr]

So did I imacardfan,

Notice that's what my original posts were in regard to, until Cheesy came storming in like a bull in a china closet.

 

[AzKarl]

Cheesebeef must be NEM

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Why don't you read what I wrote? I say losing a player, who was our best without even SEEING if you could get compensated for it IS BONEHEAD! Not losing him outright - ther's more to the story than that. Tell me - what would have hurt to put the tag on him, considering that the tag can be rescinded if we choose to? And you know what I'm done with you - you can't go one post without antagonizing and in my eyes, that makes you a very sad human being.

You write and sound just like him.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Do you know what public relations spin is Tango? Haven't you ever heard of Damage control? You think Frank is going to come out and bash trhe team, when likely the best offer that will made him is going to come from us? As far as Graves - do you think San Diego's lying when they said they did their homework and are comfortable with Boston? Couldn't it be that Graves is spinning his wheels because he miscalculated the whole Boston scenario? Haven't the Cards as an organziation made personell snafus time after time again only to be proven wrong? now what you posted above does have merit, but couldn't it be the other way, as well? Things aren't as black and white as you make it out to seem.

The quote from Sanders is interesting, Frank was always the guy Jake fans used to backup their assertion that Cards players were behind Jake. OVer and over Sanders said nice things, now he says the Cards did the right thing letting Jake go, interesting.

With regards to Graves' comment about Boston I guess I take it he was either saying he thinks Boston is going to be an injury plagued player, or he thinks Boston wasn't a team player (took plays off maybe).

Frankly I think he was talking injuries, Boston said he wanted to play on Grass, that implies he wants the soft surface. He just had knee surgery, he already had tendonitis in that knee, he's over 240 which frankly is a good 20 pounds more than his "normal" playing weight(note I'm not saying steroids just I think he's too big and I've said that for 3 years now).

I think that Graves is basically saying we think he's going to keep missing games and we wanted some protection from that, he clearly was talking about something that had nothing to do with off field stuff like drugs.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
So did I imacardfan,

Notice that's what my original posts were in regard to, until Cheesy came storming in like a bull in a china closet.

Funny - you're posts were about this "plan" and then you called the naysayers out and started to be condescending towards us - correct - so I stood up and then you continued to condescend towards me and so on and so forth. Tango - why did you kicked off the board for a week?

 

[SECTION 11]

Chronic Knee Problems.


That's my guess.

 

[imaCafan]

Colvin has chronis knee problems!?!?!?! Don't sign this dude!!!!!!!!!