Charmin Marvin Harrison Jr Thread

[Russ Smith]

The one play that I noticed (thought I noticed?) was on the one interception he just kinda stopped after the interception (gave up?) and didn't go after the guy.

I saw that too but I think it was frustration over such a dumb throw

 

[mobyhammy]

Too early to worry about MHJ. Look at the Seahawks' Jaxon Smith-Njigba, MHJ's former Ohio State teammate. He wasn't much last year as a rookie but a real stud now.

 

[Russ Smith]

Too early to worry about MHJ. Look at the Seahawks' Jaxon Smith-Njigba, MHJ's former Ohio State teammate. He wasn't much last year as a rookie but a real stud now.

True but he also wasn't the primary Wr he was the 3rd guy as a rookie.

 

[cardncubfan]

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[Shane]

Too early to worry about MHJ. Look at the Seahawks' Jaxon Smith-Njigba, MHJ's former Ohio State teammate. He wasn't much last year as a rookie but a real stud now.

He was also the 20th overall pick not the fourth and didn’t have near the hype that MHJ had or the pedigree…..

 

[602 Native]

Unfortunately, MHJ is creating some of the angst fans have for him.

Even before being drafted he wanted to control the draft process to the point where he still doesn't have a jersey we can buy.

Then add in the lack of catches and explosiveness with what seems like a lack of aggressiveness.

Just really a bad start for a highly drafted rookie who was sold as can't miss.

 

[Chopper0080]

Unfortunately, MHJ is creating some of the angst fans have for him.

Even before being drafted he wanted to control the draft process to the point where he still doesn't have a jersey we can buy.

Then add in the lack of catches and explosiveness with what seems like a lack of aggressiveness.

Just really a bad start for a highly drafted rookie who was sold as can't miss.

He is 38th in yardage and tied for 6th in TD catches…in a horrid pass offense.
Irrational fan angst is the biggest issue. Yes, his game has not been as polished as was billed, but I don’t see any other rookie WR being more successful in this offense this year.

 

[602 Native]

He is 38th in yardage and tied for 6th in TD catches…in a horrid pass offense.
Irrational fan angst is the biggest issue. Yes, his game has not been as polished as was billed, but I don’t see any other rookie WR being more successful in this offense this year.

Totally agree but he didn’t help himself is my point.

I am just hoping he is a true #1 and unstoppable.

I think we all had rookie of the year hopes for him which is totally an unrealistic when you think of how many rookies are drafted.

 

[Chopper0080]

Totally agree but he didn’t help himself is my point.

I am just hoping he is a true #1 and unstoppable.

I think we all had rookie of the year hopes for him which is totally an unrealistic when you think of how many rookies are drafted.

ROY was dependent on a different offense than what we have seen IMO.

 

[602 Native]

ROY was dependent on a different offense than what we have seen IMO.

That’s an interesting point.

I wonder if MO will say anything to JG about him drafting a top notch rookie WR and having Petzing waste him?

 

[kerouac9]

He is 38th in yardage and tied for 6th in TD catches…in a horrid pass offense.
Irrational fan angst is the biggest issue. Yes, his game has not been as polished as was billed, but I don’t see any other rookie WR being more successful in this offense this year.

Are you saying all he does is catch touchdowns? Paternity test warranted?

 

[HairZach]

This reminds me so much of the narrative around Isaiah Simmons.

"I wonder if Keim will do anything about Vance wasting a top notch rookie linebacker."
"Yeah he looks inconsistent now, we just need a smarter coordinator to unlock his potential"

 

[BritCard]

Hard for me to read the Kyler Murray thread and see everyone realise Kyler is a mid QB and then come over here and blame MHJ for having mid stats.

Both Olave and Garrett Williams came out of OSU with mid (or worse) QB's and put up 1000 yards seasons, but they were instantly the #1 target for those QB's. None of them had a Trey McBride to deal with.

For the reasons I explained above, you'd love to play TE with a QB like Kyler. A TE that can leak out into soft zones like Trey is gravy for a QB like Kyler that is a poor timing QB, and Kyler lives in that 10 yards zone (mostly 8 yards if being honest) that Trey is operating in.

MHJ is generally operating outside the numbers and well beyond 10 yards, both areas that are very low productivity for Kyler.

 

[daves]

Hard for me to read the Kyler Murray thread and see everyone realise Kyler is a mid QB and then come over here and blame MHJ for having mid stats.

I don't think people would be blaming Harrison for mid stats, if he were getting wide open, fighting for contested balls, and going all-out on every play.

Yes, his stats are impacted by some poor throws and not being on the same page as Murray, but if the blame were entirely on Murray, this thread wouldn't exist.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't think people would be blaming Harrison for mid stats, if he were getting wide open, fighting for contested balls, and going all-out on every play.

Yes, his stats are impacted by some poor throws and not being on the same page as Murray, but if the blame were entirely on Murray, this thread wouldn't exist.

A lot of this is silly. The aggressive part is accurate but it’s not just for contested catches.

 

[DVontel]

MHJ is generally operating outside the numbers and well beyond 10 yards, both areas that are very low productivity for Kyler.

I’m not absolving Kyler of blame here, but isn’t that Petzing’s job to move MHJ more inside the numbers if there has been constant disconnect with him outside the numbers? Petzing most likely is working around Kyler’s weaknesses, but I don’t think he’s 100% free of blame if he’s continuing to play MHJ where the struggles have been.

 

[Chopper0080]

I’m not absolving Kyler of blame here, but isn’t that Petzing’s job to move MHJ more inside the numbers if there has been constant disconnect with him outside the numbers? Petzing most likely is working around Kyler’s weaknesses, but I don’t think he’s 100% free of blame if he’s continuing to play MHJ where the struggles have been.

I think it is a mix of schematic issues of Petzing, some inconsistency of Kyler, some lack of WR coaching, and a lack of aggressiveness / learning of Marv.

Agree 100% that Drew should have some go to routes and alignments to get Marv involved by now which also line up with what Kyler likes to do.

 

[SpokaneCardfan]

I get a Deandre Ayton vibe from Harrison. Tons of Talent and athleticism but not an aggressive enough attitude. He seems to let the DB's dictate the game. I hope he can overcome the passive play.

 

[BritCard]

I’m not absolving Kyler of blame here, but isn’t that Petzing’s job to move MHJ more inside the numbers if there has been constant disconnect with him outside the numbers? Petzing most likely is working around Kyler’s weaknesses, but I don’t think he’s 100% free of blame if he’s continuing to play MHJ where the struggles have been.

Yes and No. How many guys can you run on a 6 yard dig or slant? If Trey is getting most of that work and doing it well, why would you give it to Marv?

I do think Petzing needs to do better with Marv's routes. IMO he's not a guy that's going to body a guy outside on the line, if you want someone to do that Mike is a better option, but also they drafted Marv to be an X, you can't make him an H just because Kyler sucks.

I'd like to see Marv have more slot routes though running slants, crossers and deep overs than he does at the moment.

 

[kerouac9]

I’m not absolving Kyler of blame here, but isn’t that Petzing’s job to move MHJ more inside the numbers if there has been constant disconnect with him outside the numbers? Petzing most likely is working around Kyler’s weaknesses, but I don’t think he’s 100% free of blame if he’s continuing to play MHJ where the struggles have been.

I think Petzing would say that in a season where we're trying to compete and win games his job isn't to showcase MHJ as much as it is to put together an effective offense. We've gone from 24th in scoring and 19th in yards last year to 18th in scoring and 12th in yards.

If you want to look at just when Kyler returned in 2023, we've gone from 362.75 YPG and 210 passing YPG to 323.14 YPG and 193.3 passing yards per game. Allegedly with better talent.

What a disaster.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I think Petzing would say that in a season where we're trying to compete and win games his job isn't to showcase MHJ as much as it is to put together an effective offense. We've gone from 24th in scoring and 19th in yards last year to 18th in scoring and 12th in yards.

If you want to look at just when Kyler returned in 2023, we've gone from 362.75 YPG and 210 passing YPG to 323.14 YPG and 193.3 passing yards per game. Allegedly with better talent.

What a disaster.

Even better!

Arizona Cardinals PPG in 2023: 19.4
Arizona Cardinals PPG in 2024: 21.8

The offense was supposed to carry this team. It hasn't.

 

[Redsz]

I’m not absolving Kyler of blame here, but isn’t that Petzing’s job to move MHJ more inside the numbers if there has been constant disconnect with him outside the numbers? Petzing most likely is working around Kyler’s weaknesses, but I don’t think he’s 100% free of blame if he’s continuing to play MHJ where the struggles have been.

Petzing adjusting? The obvious solution is more power running, inside draws, and screens to running backs lol

 

[daves]

A lot of this is silly. The aggressive part is accurate but it’s not just for contested catches.

I'm thinking of a few times when he didn't come back to the ball aggressively, and allowed a DB to beat him to it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Unfortunately, MHJ is creating some of the angst fans have for him.

Even before being drafted he wanted to control the draft process to the point where he still doesn't have a jersey we can buy.

Then add in the lack of catches and explosiveness with what seems like a lack of aggressiveness.

Just really a bad start for a highly drafted rookie who was sold as can't miss.

Why would you want to buy his jersey if you’re that disgusted with him?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

He was also the 20th overall pick not the fourth and didn’t have near the hype that MHJ had or the pedigree…..

That’s because he basically didn’t play his last year at OSU because of a hamstring injury.
He was very highly regarded going into that year. That he didn’t play and was still a top 20 pick says something.

Jamar Chase didn’t play his last year but he’s another animal.