AYTON TRADED!

[Hoop Head]

Nurkic playing in 21 more games than Ayton is a surprise. I believed Nurk would play more than he did in Portland since we aren't tanking and his injuries seemed more of the fluke type injuries, believe he had a broken leg one year, compared to the more chronic issues like Beal suffers. Nurkic also seemed to drop weight before coming here, which I'm sure helped his overall durability.

As bad as this season has been, if Nurkic only played in 49 of the 74 games so far then we'd probably be where the Warriors or Rockets are in the playoff race.

 

[Germz249]

DA has been playing well lately.. I take it a new video game hasn’t been released lately..

 

[95pro]

Idk if this has been mentioned already, but listened to a Kleen podcast from may 24? this morning about JJ and Ayton. In summary something like this:

After the finals season, Monty wanted Ayton gone.
JJ didn't want to trade him, and totally dropped the ball to see why the team wanted to move on from Ayton, and cited that Turner and Sabonis were there for the taking.

I guess my thoughts are that JJ was thinking there was still hope in hanging on to Ayton, but maybe did not see how Ayton was becoming a headcase.

 

[Hoop Head]

Idk if this has been mentioned already, but listened to a Kleen podcast from may 24? this morning about JJ and Ayton. In summary something like this:

After the finals season, Monty wanted Ayton gone.
JJ didn't want to trade him, and totally dropped the ball to see why the team wanted to move on from Ayton, and cited that Turner and Sabonis were there for the taking.

I guess my thoughts are that JJ was thinking there was still hope in hanging on to Ayton, but maybe did not see how Ayton was becoming a headcase.

JJ is the same idiot who let the Crowder issue fester for 7-8 months. That he thought Ayton would turn things around or the situation would improve isn't surprising. It should have been clear to everyone when we had Javale McGee posting near identical stats off the bench that it was the system and not the player who produced at Center for us. Ayton was a bad pick but understandable risk. Keeping him as long as we did was a mistake.

 

[leclerc]

Do you think we would be better off with Luka? But we already had Booker! /sarcasm /tears

I was also hoping for the longest that Ayton would take the step, but that did not happen. Not pointing any fingers. Hope he gets a really good mattress this summer. I like the guy.

 

[CardNots]

I was also hoping for the longest that Ayton would take the step, but that did not happen. Not pointing any fingers. Hope he gets a really good mattress this summer. I like the guy.

I cringe every time his name pops on this message board…

 

[CardNots]

Do you think we would be better off with Luka? But we already had Booker! /sarcasm /tears

A choice of Luka would have had great trade value if we had to part company with either booker or him.

 

[Carolinacacti]

Idk if this has been mentioned already, but listened to a Kleen podcast from may 24? this morning about JJ and Ayton. In summary something like this:

After the finals season, Monty wanted Ayton gone.
JJ didn't want to trade him, and totally dropped the ball to see why the team wanted to move on from Ayton, and cited that Turner and Sabonis were there for the taking.

I guess my thoughts are that JJ was thinking there was still hope in hanging on to Ayton, but maybe did not see how Ayton was becoming a headcase.

I really believe if the team wanted too it would have happened. Montie was a head case?

 

[Covert Rain]

I really believe if the team wanted too it would have happened. Montie was a head case?

Don't know if that would be my description of Monty but he definitely had issues. It appears he let things fester with a couple players and just didn't want to deal with it which is literally his job as a coach. That's outside his X's and O's problems.

 

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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That’s the big fella we know and -er- love on ANOTHER team.

 

[ajcardfan]

That’s the big fella we know and -er- love on ANOTHER team.

He is still doing better than our center. Sad.

 

[Superbone]

He is still doing better than our center. Sad.

Seriously? I'd much rather have Mark Williams. He's a gamer. Gets to the line. Makes his FTs. Much younger.

 

[ajcardfan]

Seriously? I'd much rather have Mark Williams. He's a gamer. Gets to the line. Makes his FTs. Much younger.

Statistically Ayton has a couple more points per game and Williams has about 1 or 2 rebounds more per game. Big whoop.

Williams is what we have but he isn't very good either. Only a bad team would have him as a starter and we are a bad team.

Sorry, but I am not happy about the Suns. I went to the Memphis game for my birthday and we are not good and are not going to get good any time soon. I did actually have fun. Booker having a shot to win it at the end was about as good as I could've hoped for

 

[Raindog]

I saw this revived thread and my immediate reaction was "damn, the Lakers gave up on him already?!?"

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Statistically Ayton has a couple more points per game and Williams has about 1 or 2 rebounds more per game. Big whoop.

Williams is what we have but he isn't very good either. Only a bad team would have him as a starter and we are a bad team.

Sorry, but I am not happy about the Suns. I went to the Memphis game for my birthday and we are not good and are not going to get good any time soon. I did actually have fun. Booker having a shot to win it at the end was about as good as I could've hoped for

Ayton's ineptness has never been about stats. He simply doesn't play like he cares and it hurts his teams on both ends of the floor. This is not the case for Williams. He plays with plenty of energy on both ends of the floor. He may not be an all star, but he certainly has a more positive impact on games than Ayton.

A stat that shows this is on/off plus/minus. The Suns are 18.5 points (per 100 possessions) better with Williams on the floor and the Lakers are 23.7 points worse when Ayton is on the floor.

 

[elindholm]

I went to the Memphis game for my birthday and we are not good and are not going to get good any time soon.

No, certainly not. The Suns have the worst intermediate-term forecast in the league, by a large margin. This is the price of the Durant trade. Had it paid off with a title, it would have been worth it, according to some ways of thinking, but that was never more than a pipe dream.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Ayton's ineptness has never been about stats. He simply doesn't play like he cares and it hurts his teams on both ends of the floor. This is not the case for Williams. He plays with plenty of energy on both ends of the floor. He may not be an all star, but he certainly has a more positive impact on games than Ayton.

A stat that shows this is on/off plus/minus. The Suns are 18.5 points (per 100 possessions) better with Williams on the floor and the Lakers are 23.7 points worse when Ayton is on the floor.

wow. Williams might not get the stats but he has a presence Ayton does not. Also, Oso and Richards have been getting minutes. Williams has been on minutes restriction. In this case the per 36 numbers are helpful.

Ayton--17 p, 9 r, 1 b, .06 st, .63 efg%, 45% ft.
Williams--16.9, 13.2 r, 1.7 b, 1.7 st, 62.1 efg%, .684% ft

 

[carrrnuttt]

Is this real?

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If so, that man-child is an absolute POS.

 

[Hoop Head]

Is this real?

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If so, that man-child is an absolute POS.

Ayton is a baby back bitch. As to the video, that's been going around for a few months. I remember sharing a YouTube version earlier this off-season. No one has disputed the authenticity.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Statistically Ayton has a couple more points per game and Williams has about 1 or 2 rebounds more per game. Big whoop.

Williams is what we have but he isn't very good either. Only a bad team would have him as a starter and we are a bad team.

Sorry, but I am not happy about the Suns. I went to the Memphis game for my birthday and we are not good and are not going to get good any time soon. I did actually have fun. Booker having a shot to win it at the end was about as good as I could've hoped for

You must not really like basketball. I love Williams and love this team.

 

[ajcardfan]

You must not really like basketball. I love Williams and love this team.

Hey, I am enjoying the hell out of this team now. Yes, I was down about them when they were 1-4 and I saw them live.

I have no problem admitting I was wrong. Williams is playing better than he ever has and really everyone is. This has become a very fun team to watch. I enjoy watching this team much more than the 24-25 and 23-24 Suns.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You must not really like basketball. I love Williams and love this team.

We weren't getting much out of Williams early on (limited minutes, nights off) but we really did look like an historically bad team until he was able to play decent minutes. We'll always have to worry about his injury risks but when he plays, we are at least an above average team and who knows what we'll be when Green and Booker are back full speed.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Hey, I am enjoying the hell out of this team now. Yes, I was down about them when they were 1-4 and I saw them live.

I have no problem admitting I was wrong. Williams is playing better than he ever has and really everyone is. This has become a very fun team to watch. I enjoy watching this team much more than the 24-25 and 23-24 Suns.

My apologies. I just looked and saw that you put up those two posts on Nov 2. Things have changed since then. I should have paid more attention to the context of your post.

 

[carrrnuttt]

It freakin' hurts my head and my heart contemplating that we might have a championship already if Ayton had 1/100th of the heart and drive of people like Gillespie or Bouyea.