Going to take the fam to see it in 3D today.
Cameron has a plethora of mega-fans who will go see his movies dozens of times on the big screen which doesn't hurt. Probably some of the same fans he recently flipped off for getting upset about his refusal to sign any autographs after an Avatar 2 screening.I’m definitely going to be wrong. Third weekend looks like box office is holding insanely well, maybe down only 10%.
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‘Avatar: The Way Of Water’ Scores Monday January Record With $21M+, 4-Day Rises To $88M, Looks To Best Blumhouse’s ‘M3GAN’ Opening – Tuesday AM Update
'Avatar: The Way Of Water' To Cross $440M At New Year's Weekend Box Officedeadline.com
This sucker might hit 2 billion after all. If it gets there, what Cameron will have accomplished is truly insane.
Yeah, it's going to hit $2B I think. Last weekend was +6% over the previous weekend domestically and is already at $1.4B worldwide. It feels like it's picking up steam now and there's nothing on the horizon to challenge it. I think it's going to have legs like Top Gun did last year.I’m definitely going to be wrong. Third weekend looks like box office is holding insanely well, maybe down only 10%.
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‘Avatar: The Way Of Water’ Scores Monday January Record With $21M+, 4-Day Rises To $88M, Looks To Best Blumhouse’s ‘M3GAN’ Opening – Tuesday AM Update
'Avatar: The Way Of Water' To Cross $440M At New Year's Weekend Box Officedeadline.com
This sucker might hit 2 billion after all. If it gets there, what Cameron will have accomplished is truly insane.
Visually stunning but I’m ready for Cameron to move on. Unfortunately, 2 Bills = Avatar until the end of the decade… and prob the rest of his career.
I think what disappointed me most was one of the hallmarks of Cameron sequels was MIA. Yea, he upped the FX considerably and established an incredible world underwater to be immersed in, but in sequels to Alien and Terminator, he didn’t just raise the bar visually, he raised it with characters as well, especially villains. The Queen in Aliens is exactly what Ripley calls her… A BITCH. Terrifying in every way. Add the overall multiplication of Aliens as an attacking force and that changed the dynamic of that sequel. And Robert Patrick’s Terminator somehow equaled, if not topped Schwarzenegger’s original. A seemingly impossible task that Cameron breezed past.
Those villains raised the game for the protagonists. Here… same villain, different body… and less of a son of a bitch. And the lone character trait from ANY of his goons was one of them blows bubble gum bubbles. Where are good versions of Hicks, Ramirez, Game Over Grunts of Aliens? Sarah Connor’s Shrink or even the orderly who simply licked her face to gross us out? Or Reiser’s weasel in Aliens? He created two solid villains in the first Avatar between Lang’s original character and Ribisi playing the Reiser role.
even in his non sequels, like Titanic he had good villains with Billy Zane’s loathesome Cal, Cal’s lackey and Rose’s Mom as a tertiary antagonist. True Lies easily had the weakest villain which is why I think it‘s a notch below his absolute classics in the stratosphere with the others, but between Paxton‘s used cars dealer/wannabe spy and Tia Carrera’s bad art dealer, it’s tertiary “villains” were GREAT. And between Arnold, Jamie Lee and Tom Arnold, it’s heroes more than overcompensate for the weak number 1 villian.
After 13 years, you can see the time and effort put into the film visually, but it appears that almost ALL came at the expense of the characters.
Visually stunning but I’m ready for Cameron to move on. Unfortunately, 2 Bills = Avatar until the end of the decade… and prob the rest of his career.
I think what disappointed me most was one of the hallmarks of Cameron sequels was MIA. Yea, he upped the FX considerably and established an incredible world underwater to be immersed in, but in sequels to Alien and Terminator, he didn’t just raise the bar visually, he raised it with characters as well, especially villains. The Queen in Aliens is exactly what Ripley calls her… A BITCH. Terrifying in every way. Add the overall multiplication of Aliens as an attacking force and that changed the dynamic of that sequel. And Robert Patrick’s Terminator somehow equaled, if not topped Schwarzenegger’s original. A seemingly impossible task that Cameron breezed past.
Those villains raised the game for the protagonists. Here… same villain, different body… and less of a son of a bitch. And the lone character trait from ANY of his goons was one of them blows bubble gum bubbles. Where are good versions of Hicks, Ramirez, Game Over Grunts of Aliens? Sarah Connor’s Shrink or even the orderly who simply licked her face to gross us out? Or Reiser’s weasel in Aliens? He created two solid villains in the first Avatar between Lang’s original character and Ribisi playing the Reiser role.
even in his non sequels, like Titanic he had good villains with Billy Zane’s loathesome Cal, Cal’s lackey and Rose’s Mom as a tertiary antagonist. True Lies easily had the weakest villain which is why I think it‘s a notch below his absolute classics in the stratosphere with the others, but between Paxton‘s used cars dealer/wannabe spy and Tia Carrera’s bad art dealer, it’s tertiary “villains” were GREAT. And between Arnold, Jamie Lee and Tom Arnold, it’s heroes more than overcompensate for the weak number 1 villian.
After 13 years, you can see the time and effort put into the film visually, but it appears that almost ALL came at the expense of the characters.
I thought Neitiery was a great character in Avatar and carried the movie. Was very surprised to see th extent to which he sidelined her here.To be fair... only in the sense that the bar in terms of characters should have been low, the characters in the original Avatar had the depth of a drinking fountain.
If not for the visuals, that movie is a poorly written, "Dances With Wolves In Space!"
James Cameron has hit a grand slam with basically every movie he has made, but when it comes to story telling, IMO, Avatar was one of his worst.
(And True Lies is one of the most underrated films ever)
The bar was pretty low for deep character development and depth of story for this movie. Not sure why anybody would expect that out of these films. He uses the Circle of Life and his go to "Corporations behaving badly" again and again in his career. So, I went in expecting exactly the same and it's what we got. To me? This plays more like James Cameron using the film medium to see how far he can push technology. It's similar to my opinion with his documentary on Titanic. Sure, it was about the Titanic but he pushed the envelope with undersee hardware.To be fair... only in the sense that the bar in terms of characters should have been low, the characters in the original Avatar had the depth of a drinking fountain.
If not for the visuals, that movie is a poorly written, "Dances With Wolves In Space!"
James Cameron has hit a grand slam with basically every movie he has made, but when it comes to story telling, IMO, Avatar was one of his worst.
(And True Lies is one of the most underrated films ever)
That is pretty much how I felt after watching it. The story was so disappointing that I couldn't wait for the movie to end. I mean the story was completely ridiculous at times. I can get over small plot holes and such but my goodness this beyond ridiculous. They spent over a decade on this movie and that was the best story they could come up with.So I just wattched it and these are my thoughts.
On a scale of 1 to 10 the story is barely a 1. I don't know how you can make a movie that long have so many odd plot holes. I could do paragraphs on stuff that makes zero sense.
One a scaore of 1 to 10 the visuals are a 15. It's simply a gorgeous movie with the best motion capture I have ever seen.
Beyond that, 85% of the movie is about the kids and those kids are so annoying they make you appreciate your own kids.
I am happy to have paid for it in the theater. I have no idea if I will ever watch it again.
Visually stunning but I’m ready for Cameron to move on. Unfortunately, 2 Bills = Avatar until the end of the decade… and prob the rest of his career.
I think what disappointed me most was one of the hallmarks of Cameron sequels was MIA. Yea, he upped the FX considerably and established an incredible world underwater to be immersed in, but in sequels to Alien and Terminator, he didn’t just raise the bar visually, he raised it with characters as well, especially villains. The Queen in Aliens is exactly what Ripley calls her… A BITCH. Terrifying in every way. Add the overall multiplication of Aliens as an attacking force and that changed the dynamic of that sequel. And Robert Patrick’s Terminator somehow equaled, if not topped Schwarzenegger’s original. A seemingly impossible task that Cameron breezed past.
Those villains raised the game for the protagonists. Here… same villain, different body… and less of a son of a bitch. And the lone character trait from ANY of his goons was one of them blows bubble gum bubbles. Where are good versions of Hicks, Ramirez, Game Over Grunts of Aliens? Sarah Connor’s Shrink or even the orderly who simply licked her face to gross us out? Or Reiser’s weasel in Aliens? He created two solid villains in the first Avatar between Lang’s original character and Ribisi playing the Reiser role.
even in his non sequels, like Titanic he had good villains with Billy Zane’s loathesome Cal, Cal’s lackey and Rose’s Mom as a tertiary antagonist. True Lies easily had the weakest villain which is why I think it‘s a notch below his absolute classics in the stratosphere with the others, but between Paxton‘s used cars dealer/wannabe spy and Tia Carrera’s bad art dealer, it’s tertiary “villains” were GREAT. And between Arnold, Jamie Lee and Tom Arnold, it’s heroes more than overcompensate for the weak number 1 villian.
After 13 years, you can see the time and effort put into the film visually, but it appears that almost ALL came at the expense of the characters.
I thought Neitiery was a great character in Avatar and carried the movie. Was very surprised to see th extent to which he sidelined her here.
yeah, I see a Quaritch redemption arc coming. But they desperately need a new villain. The bad guy who consistently loses at the end of each movie takes away any and all jeopardy. That's what made the Original Star Wars trilogy so compelling. Darth defeats kills Obi-won, but Luke blows up the Death Star... you get what appears to at least be a "victory" in the ultimate defeat there. Then in Empire by the end, it just looks like it's Darth's universe and we're all just living in it. Then the ultimate redemption and win by Luke, turning his father back to the light.I think a large part of Neytiri being sidelined is because she is being held off for a bigger role in the planned sequels. I think that also applies to Col. Quaritch being less than the huge bad we expected him to be. You know, so his son will find him somewhat saveable...for the sequel.
I don't love it, but I my guess is Quaritch is being set up for some kind of redemption, with the corporation itself becoming the ultimate bad.
They need to bring in N'avi villains in part 3.yeah, I see a Quaritch redemption arc coming. But they desperately need a new villain. The bad guy who consistently loses at the end of each movie takes away any and all jeopardy. That's what made the Original Star Wars trilogy so compelling. Darth defeats kills Obi-won, but Luke blows up the Death Star... you get what appears to at least be a "victory" in the ultimate defeat there. Then in Empire by the end, it just looks like it's Darth's universe and we're all just living in it. Then the ultimate redemption and win by Luke, turning his father back to the light.
Here it's... Quaritch loses in the 1st Avatar. Then loses in the 2nd Avatar. Why would anyone be scared of him in the 3rd? It's kinda the same problem they had with the Star Wars sequels Kylo Ren became more of a punchline every time he failed against Rey, who'd never been in a lightsaber duel at all and then against the Tupac'd Luke hologram.
I also hope there's a little course correction on the old White Savior trope that was really weak in the first movie and pretty much continued with another character in this one.They need to bring in N'avi villains in part 3.
Interesting idea but goes against the one Pandora theme they have going on. I just don't see JC breaking from his norm. I was guessing we could see a "fire tribe" that starts a civil war, but something tells me it would be predictable. Like having to come together to fight the big bad corporation by the end.They need to bring in N'avi villains in part 3.
They need to bring in N'avi villains in part 3.
Found this.They will. It's going to be the ash tribe - grey colored. And they will worship Volcanoes/fire.
Found this.
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Upcoming Avatar 3 to Include a Na'vi Fire Nation Called the 'Ash People'
The new region will set the stage for a new villain in Avatar 3.movieweb.com
So basically this is becoming "The Walking Dead" where we are introduced the a new "Clan" each movie but it is essentially the same story over and over again. I can't wait to hear about the amazing Lava CGI.
My guess is that Cameron will probably base this sequel off the Comanches. The Comanches were feared by everyone including other tribes. Cameron will use Quanah Parker the last famous Comanche chief as inspiration. For those that don't know Parker was half white, his mom Cynthia Ann Parker was captured by the Comanches as a child at the age of nine. So basically that feral white kid "Spider", along with his pseudo-father avatar Quaritch, will somehow become part of this fire tribe and lead them against the Na'vi.
At least I might finally get to see what a 6 legged Buffalo looks like! I wonder what Kevin Costner looks like all blue???
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i know you will all be waiting with baited breath for my response.
I'm gonna do a little taste test with this tomorrow night and watch Avatar 2 from the comforts of my own couch... see if it holds any redeeming value outside the theater experience.
i know you will all be waiting with baited breath for my response.