ARI@STL: Heroes and Goats

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That's right, Stout. Me (the first guy who predicted that we'd take Cooper instead of Warmack), Matt Waldman, and the guys at the Grantland Football Podcast all got together and formed a cabal to smear a guy who's playing really good football. Also included: The guys at AZCentral.com and AZCardinals.com who are spiking stories about Cooper's great play and all the coaches stepping forward to provide good quotes.

Whatever.

No, you just seem to go out of your way to badmouth the kid. Above and beyond the sources. Honestly, it reads like you have something personal against him. I'm not saying he's lighting the world on fire or anything, but you're talking like he's hot garbage.
 

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I did in my thread. :D As for the hero's here, 1 knock against Powers was on one of those long passes to Britt(?) when Hill threw up a wounded duck and Powers couldn't find it. Had he stuck with Britt that pass would have either been batted down or intercepted. That play was the catalyst behind the Rams making it a 1 score game late. Powers did redeem himself on the next drive when he blitzed and batted down the 4th down pass essentially icing the game.

Agree. I thought that was a sure fire interception, but Powers lost his man and Britt wound up with the ball. Hill's stats would look crappier had Powers made a better effort on that play.

However, Powers redeemed himself with the game clinching pass deflection in from of Hill's face; therefore, he removed himself from the goat list in the last minute of the game. :D
 

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Agree. I thought that was a sure fire interception, but Powers lost his man and Britt wound up with the ball. Hill's stats would look crappier had Powers made a better effort on that play.

However, Powers redeemed himself with the game clinching pass deflection in from of Hill's face; therefore, he removed himself from the goat list in the last minute of the game. :D

did Powers also make the stop at the 1 yard line? that was a really big play, putting pressure on Hill to have to get six at the end of the game, rather then just go for a field goal.

he also had a good knock on Hill, that should have been a sack and forced fumble that the refs blew.
 

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Powers was making plays during the entire game and had the one mistake.
 
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No, you just seem to go out of your way to badmouth the kid. Above and beyond the sources. Honestly, it reads like you have something personal against him. I'm not saying he's lighting the world on fire or anything, but you're talking like he's hot garbage.

I challenge you to highlight one instance of me being personal against the kid in my analyses of these last two games, and specifically on this thread.
 

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1.Haters got to hate.
2. Cooper got to play.

Running game, last two weeks, much improved. Against a vg pass rush, the OL held up. And they say, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Congrats to the Cards, because K9 had to go to the third and fourth QB to fill out his goat list.
 

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I challenge you to highlight one instance of me being personal against the kid in my analyses of these last two games, and specifically on this thread.

Now you're obfuscating. I didn't say you were being personal against him--I said it seemed that way. You seem motivated to go the extra yard to tear him down. You go out of your way to badmouth him, above and beyond other players. Truth hurts.
 

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I rewatched the Stanton injury and it was really the fault of both Sendline and Cooper choosing the wrong guys to cover.
I disagree. Logic dictates that only one of them got it wrong because one of them was supposed pick up the stunting defensive end. We don't know for certain who supposed to do what on the play but typically the center hands off the nose tackle to the guard to pick up the end which is the way Sendlein played it.
 

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I have to say as someone who doesn't know the rules of OL play, I'm not sure that's Cooper and not Sendlein's fault?

I watched it 5 times on ESPN. Cooper is blocking one man, Sendlein the other but it's a stunt or twist. Cooper tries to hand off his man to Sendlein so he can take Sendlein's, but Sendlein stays with the man, then cooper tries to run around to go get Sendlein's man, and he collides with Sendlein.

He winds up looking bad but I have to wonder if the right play there isn't Cooper and Sendlein passing off guys and Sendlein just didn't do it?
That's what I saw also. Cooper, to me looked like he was making the right read and they two of them just happened to get tangled and Sendlein went to the turf, maybe he's a goat now.
 

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Who the heck is Matt Waldman and why should I care what he thinks?
 

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did Powers also make the stop at the 1 yard line? that was a really big play, putting pressure on Hill to have to get six at the end of the game, rather then just go for a field goal.



he also had a good knock on Hill, that should have been a sack and forced fumble that the refs blew.


Yes he did. That turned out to be a crucial tackle. He also had a sack I believe, along with the game-ending deflection...
 

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as always, thanks for your work on this.

A bunch of heroes this week, hard to pick just 3 so I think you did a good job. Catanzaro is probably the closest to those 3.

I am hoping to get to rewatch the game soon, and really break down Cooper. What you are saying is consistent with what we have seen so far, but hopefully he is making strides. I do find it funny that folks on here think that posters do not want Cooper to be successful which is hardly the case. Everyone on this board wants our players to be successful because we all want the Cardinals to be successful. Critical critiques do not change that fact.
 

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as always, thanks for your work on this.

A bunch of heroes this week, hard to pick just 3 so I think you did a good job. Catanzaro is probably the closest to those 3.

I am hoping to get to rewatch the game soon, and really break down Cooper. What you are saying is consistent with what we have seen so far, but hopefully he is making strides. I do find it funny that folks on here think that posters do not want Cooper to be successful which is hardly the case. Everyone on this board wants our players to be successful because we all want the Cardinals to be successful. Critical critiques do not change that fact.

u are k9 best friend i guess:D
i see u always supporting him
i like what he wrote often but u are always on his side
 
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u are k9 best friend i guess:D
i see u always supporting him
i like what he wrote often but u are always on his side

I don't think that is always the case. IMO they are 2 of the more knowledgeable posters on the board. I put more weight on their opinions than most on this forum.
 

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I don't think that is always the case. IMO they are 2 of the more knowledgeable posters on the board. I put more weight on their opinions than most on this forum.
Disagree, they're similar to Mitch and Catfish in that regard.

However, there's nothing wrong with two dudes having a similar opinion on a week to week basis. They may look at the game in similar ways, it's not a big deal. But to say they don't similarly agree often is just not paying attention.

That being said, K9 evaluating Coopers play doesn't mean he hates the dude. He was a top draft pick. Frankly, I would hope someone on this board would be focusing on it. I seriously doubt K9 has a personal vendetta against Coop or Keim. He's a fan and it serves no purpose when he's made many prognostications and evaluations that were incorrect in the past. He's just giving his opinion as he sees it and he does it for our benefit. The forum as a whole is better for it.
 
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Disagree, they're similar to Mitch and Catfish in that regard.

However, there's nothing wrong with two dudes having a similar opinion on a week to week basis. They may look at the game in similar ways, it's not a big deal. But to say they don't similarly agree often is just not paying attention.

That being said, K9 evaluating Coopers play doesn't mean he hates the dude. He was a top draft pick. Frankly, I would hope someone on this board would be focusing on it. I seriously doubt K9 has a personal vendetta against Coop or Keim. He's a fan and it serves no purpose when he's made many prognostications and evaluations that were incorrect in the past. He's just giving his opinion as he sees it and he does it for our benefit. The forum as a whole is better for it.

You forgot at add "just like the rest of us--maybe fewer than most."

#levibrownwasabetterpickthanpeterson
 

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You forgot at add "just like the rest of us--maybe fewer than most."

#levibrownwasabetterpickthanpeterson
Definitely like the rest of us. Don't know about fewer though, I don't keep score.

I liked Levi though, that's true, but I still believe a LT, even an average one, is better than a RB. That was my primary argument. They last longer and provide more value. I was merely wrong, way wrong, in Levi's value as a LT. It happens.

I'm not going to #allthetimesyouvebeenwrong because I don't care. I was trying to give you props but you decided to be a douche. That happens too.
 
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Definitely like the rest of us. Don't know about fewer though, I don't keep score.

I liked Levi though, that's true, but I still believe a LT, even an average one, is better than a RB. That was my primary argument. They last longer and provide more value. I was merely wrong, way wrong, in Levi's value as a LT. It happens.

I'm not going to #allthetimesyouvebeenwrong because I don't care. I was trying to give you props but you decided to be a douche. That happens too.

Probably because a good offensive lineman can make a middle of the road RB look good. Look at NE. They have a beast of an offensive line and every back that lines up behind them look like a pro bowler. Same with Denver. Of course having a competent QB doesn't hurt either.
 

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Probably because a good offensive lineman can make a middle of the road RB look good. Look at NE. They have a beast of an offensive line and every back that lines up behind them look like a pro bowler. Same with Denver. Of course having a competent QB doesn't hurt either.
Even a bad linemen like Levi Brown went to multiple playoff games and a SB. Peterson has done nothing but beat his kids and rack up yards. Both aren't playing football now.

It's time to stop lamenting the pick. It was a good pick, just a bad player. I'd take a LT over a RB any day. Anyone saying otherwise is insane.
 

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Disagree, they're similar to Mitch and Catfish in that regard.

However, there's nothing wrong with two dudes having a similar opinion on a week to week basis. They may look at the game in similar ways, it's not a big deal. But to say they don't similarly agree often is just not paying attention.

That being said, K9 evaluating Coopers play doesn't mean he hates the dude. He was a top draft pick. Frankly, I would hope someone on this board would be focusing on it. I seriously doubt K9 has a personal vendetta against Coop or Keim. He's a fan and it serves no purpose when he's made many prognostications and evaluations that were incorrect in the past. He's just giving his opinion as he sees it and he does it for our benefit. The forum as a whole is better for it.

I tend to agree with the more moderate posters on this board, regardless of who that is. The reason being that the league is designed for 8-8 teams. Most players are out of the league in 3 years or are role players at best. About half of first round picks are busts in terms of their draft status and role with their team. Understanding this lends me to believe that most things will trend the same way.
 

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some folks just cannot get over it when a top draft pick does not step on the field and play like a pro bowler in their rookie season,....or even their second season if said rookie season was defunct due to serious injury.

Cooper is fine...his technique and agility is fine...what we are witnessing is a disruption in what is called..."Continuity"... Line continuity comes when one player (Sendlein perhaps) knows when another player,(maybe Coop) is going to pass a guy over or step around you to pick up a free blitzer....knowing when he is going to slide left, or reach over and punch your guy to keep him from getting around you.
all season long we have seen runs to the right,....and watched our RB get dragged down from backside pursuit....until the past two games...all season long we have watched our RB's hit a wall at the LOS on half of their carries...until the past two games...

the facts are the facts....our O-Line is better with Cooper in the game. It shows on the field,...it shows in the stat lines....and it passes the Oaken1 eyeball test...

who gives a rats ass what some dude that writes articles for a living thinks?
 

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Even a bad linemen like Levi Brown went to multiple playoff games and a SB. Peterson has done nothing but beat his kids and rack up yards. Both aren't playing football now.

It's time to stop lamenting the pick. It was a good pick, just a bad player. I'd take a LT over a RB any day. Anyone saying otherwise is insane.
That thinking doesn't always apply. You'd rather have the 3rd, at best, rated LT over the #1 RB prospect to come along in years. And remember, RB's were still a premium position when AP was drafted.

It was a bad pick at the time and an even worse pick in hindsight.

As for 2015, I don't want Levi on the roster but I sure wouldn't mind seeing AP in the backfield with Ellington.
 

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