2025 Arizona Cardinals Regular Season Thread

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That's by far not the only mistake he's made.
Question for you (and everyone else).

Two choices:
Door One: Keep Monti, Gannon and his staff intact, release Kyler and let them draft a new QB
Door Two: Keep Kyler, fire everyone, allow new GM and staff to draft a new QB to sit for a year.
 
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Great job Monti.
Im leading the Monti needs to go parade, but I am also ready to chalk that up to terrible luck. Justin Jones' best attribute when signed was how available he had been.

maybe word comes out that Justin was just the latest version of Jordan Phillips. THEN, thats a Monti problem.
 

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Im leading the Monti needs to go parade, but I am also ready to chalk that up to terrible luck. Justin Jones' best attribute when signed was how available he had been.

maybe word comes out that Justin was just the latest version of Jordan Phillips. THEN, thats a Monti problem.
When you bet on low ceiling guys, you never really have a chance to win. That was the issue for Monti. He gutted the defense and then counted on 3 mid FA guys and draft picks to carry it. Unless he had spectacular luck, it was never going to work.

Even if healthy, what result do you think a group of Justin Jones, Bilal Nichols, LJ Collier, Roy Lopez, Dante Stills (2nd year) and Darius Robinson (rookie) were going to have?

EDIT: especially in a scheme that has a goal of rusher the passer without blitzing which requires players who can win one-on-one matchups.
 

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If the plan is to win with 4, then you spend and invest on the defensive front and sign mid to low end back 7 vet players to play solid unit/collective coverage.
 

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When you bet on low ceiling guys, you never really have a chance to win. That was the issue for Monti. He gutted the defense and then counted on 3 mid FA guys and draft picks to carry it. Unless he had spectacular luck, it was never going to work.

Even if healthy, what result do you think a group of Justin Jones, Bilal Nichols, LJ Collier, Roy Lopez, Dante Stills (2nd year) and Darius Robinson (rookie) were going to have?

EDIT: especially in a scheme that has a goal of rusher the passer without blitzing which requires players who can win one-on-one matchups.
Monti def deserves criticism for his "diamond in the rough" strategy. For every mid / low priced Froholdt and Mack Wilson that worked, you have Akeem Davis-Gaither, Evan Brown, Baron Browning, Sean Murphy Bunting, etc --
 

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Question for you (and everyone else).

Two choices:
Door One: Keep Monti, Gannon and his staff intact, and let them draft a new QB
Door Two: Keep Kyler, fire everyone, allow new GM and staff to draft a new QB to sit for a year.
Wow, that is a devil's choice. I would take door two if and only if we keep Jacoby, because I don't want Kyler to be the only veteran QB voice in the kid's ear. Let's not poising our new QBOF.
 

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Wow, that is a devil's choice. I would take door two if and only if we keep Jacoby, because I don't want Kyler to be the only veteran QB voice in the kid's ear. Let's not poising our new QBOF.
Jacoby is under contract for another year, so my scenario is he would still be the backup
 

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Question for you (and everyone else).

Two choices:
Door One: Keep Monti, Gannon and his staff intact, and let them draft a new QB
Door Two: Keep Kyler, fire everyone, allow new GM and staff to draft a new QB to sit for a year.
Two. One more year of Kyler does less damage to the future of the franchise than one more year of Monti IMO.
 

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Who did you expect him to bring in when he was saddled with almighty Kyler at over 50 mill per season. I would Say the Jocobey signing was regarded as a positive, no?
Sure, Jacoby is a good backup as I said when we signed him. Definitely did better than he did with Dobbs and Ridder. So, yeah, GO, MONTI, GO!!!!!!
 

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Question for you (and everyone else).

Two choices:
Door One: Keep Monti, Gannon and his staff intact, release Kyler and let them draft a new QB
Door Two: Keep Kyler, fire everyone, allow new GM and staff to draft a new QB to sit for a year.

Door 3: So long as there's an infinite abyss to fall into
 

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No. Having a QB locked into record amounts of dead money is not his fault.
Didn’t stop the Broncos from immediately becoming a playoff team and now a Super Bowl contender in the same amount of time.

Your excuses are as laughable as the Cardinals plan or lack thereof the last three years, especially if they’re blaming the entire thing on Kyler.
 

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Two. One more year of Kyler does less damage to the future of the franchise than one more year of Monti IMO.
You can't blame Kyler for the 2024 draft or the 2024 free agents. Both are looking horrible at this point and are why this team is such a trainwreck without a lot of hope for the future at this point. You cannot get so little from so many draft picks and be a good GM.
 

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Question for you (and everyone else).

Two choices:
Door One: Keep Monti, Gannon and his staff intact, release Kyler and let them draft a new QB
Door Two: Keep Kyler, fire everyone, allow new GM and staff to draft a new QB to sit for a year.

2, easy. Then we’d just have to deal with inevitable Kyler butt hurt holdout but at least a new GM/coach/QB timeline could be established.
 

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Click bait nonsense behind a paywall?
Actually it was a pretty insightful article, specifically blasting players who have underperformed and must be replaced if the Cards' defense is to live up to expectations:
Against the Cardinals, Texans quarterback C.J. Stroud averaged 9.0 yards per attempt, his most in nearly two years. Immediately after the game, head coach Jonathan Gannon pointed to the Cardinals’ struggles with their zone distribution.

The next day, he explained what that meant.

“When we’re supposed to hit a hook, and we chase a shallow, and they throw the ball to the hook, that’s zone distribution,” Gannon said. “Gotta do that better.”

Gannon didn’t say it, but he was clearly referring to a third-and-6 rep from linebacker Akeem Davis-Gaither.

On the play, the Cardinals were in cover-2, with Davis-Gaither playing the hook zone along the right hashmarks. But as a receiver ran a shallow crossing route underneath, Davis-Gaither attached himself to that route, even though Baron Browning already had it covered. That left tight end Dalton Schultz wide open in Davis-Gaither’s initial zone for a 16-yard gain.

Afterward, Davis-Gaither looked to the sky and shook his head, realizing his own mistake. But it wasn’t his only issue in coverage against the Texans.

On one play later in that drive, the Cardinals ran a coverage that they used multiple times in this game. The defense was in a cover-3 zone, except with Will Johnson in man-to-man against Nico Collins, as a mechanism to negate the Texans’ star receiver.

With Collins running a deep route, Davis-Gaither needed to recognize the vacated space underneath — unless it was a busted coverage from Johnson, which seems unlikely, given that the Cardinals repeatedly used this coverage against Collins. Instead, Davis-Gaither was late to react and allowed a first down.

Davis-Gaither was not the only Cardinals’ player to struggle in coverage against the Texans, but this has been a trend all season. Per Pro Football Focus, his 40.5 coverage grade ranks 42nd among 47 linebackers with at least 300 coverage snaps.

Under Gannon and general manager Monti Ossenfort, the Cardinals have never invested more than $5 million per year in an inside linebacker or drafted one in the top three rounds.

This offseason, the Cardinals might have to break their own mold and spend up on the position. That would also allow them to move Mack Wilson back to the role in which he excelled last year. Meanwhile, cutting Davis-Gaither would save $4.7 million and incur just a $1.5 million dead cap hit.

The Cardinals have also gotten inconsistent production from their defensive line, another problem area that showed up against the Texans. Arizona is now allowing 4.5 yards per carry, the seventh most in the league.

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One play early on was particularly revealing. Walter Nolen — their first-round pick and a rare bright spot when healthy — blew past the left guard. But on the other side of the line, Dalvin Tomlinson was moved backward by a double team, and Dante Stills was sealed outside by a tight end.

Stills is a solid rotational run stopper, but Tomlinson has struggled since signing a two-year, $29 million deal in the offseason. His pressure rate is down from 11.4% to 3.7%, and he hasn’t been effective enough against the run.

He’s also not alone. Former first-round pick Darius Robinson has been the league’s worst interior defensive lineman, per PFF’s grading. His pressure rate is 1.7%.

The Cardinals can save $9.4 million by cutting Tomlinson, but, unlike at linebacker, their problems run deeper. If Calais Campbell retires, the Cardinals would be left with just Nolen as an above-average producer at the position, thanks to free agent signings and draft picks that have not yet worked out.

[T]he Cardinals also need more from their secondary when healthy. Namely, they need Budda Baker back to his best. Last season, Baker was a game-changing presence. He erased teammates’ mistakes. He blew up run plays. He got after the quarterback. He was a menace on the back end.

This year, the defense has often missed that element. That showed up against the Texans, as Baker was partially responsible for Houston’s two biggest plays of the game, a 57-yard touchdown pass to Collins and a 50-yard run by Jawhar Jordan.

This season, Baker’s missed tackle rate is up from 14.8% to a career-high 18.5%, per PFF. He’s also made just 24 stops (tackles that constitute a failure for the offense), down from 55. And as a pass rusher, his pressure rate is down from 27.5% to 19.4%.
 

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Question for you (and everyone else).

Two choices:
Door One: Keep Monti, Gannon and his staff intact, release Kyler and let them draft a new QB
Door Two: Keep Kyler, fire everyone, allow new GM and staff to draft a new QB to sit for a year.
Easy. Door Two. But we won't.
 

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2. Arizona Cardinals

Projected 2026 cap space: 17th most ($39.2 million)
Projected 2026 draft capital: sixth most

Are the Cardinals better than their record? Absolutely. They are 2-7 in games decided by seven points or fewer. They were a first down away from beating the 49ers, conspired against themselves to blow a lead through some of the most inexplicable play you'll ever see against the Titans, failed in a goal-to-go sequence down four points to the Colts, blew a lead in the final two minutes against the Packers and lost in overtime to the Jaguars.

Is that good enough for Jonathan Gannon to keep his job? Probably not.

If the Cardinals nail the coach and get their quarterback situation right this offseason, they might have the ability to make that same sort of leap in 2026.
 

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Lessons Monti has learned.

1 - Don't set your team to tank in year one by intentionally gutting an already bad roster. Even slightly sub par rosters lose.

2 - Mid to late draft picks are crap shoots. If you can trade them to acquire legit NFL talent, you need to do so.

3 - If you don't have a timing and rhythm QB, don't invest a lot into WRs who win with timing and route running. Your QB will not maximize them.

4 - You can't predict the timelines of development for young players. If you want to ensure growth for the team, invest in more vets than you feel you need. The cream will rise to the top.

5 - It's really hard to draft top NFL players, and a roster of mid only get you so far. Sometimes you have to spend money to improve your ceiling.

6 - The mid FA world is tough because they are low reward. Rarely do mid signings turn out to be top guys. Most often they either meet expectations or just disappoint.

7 - You can't time when you want to add players at certain positions. Take each FA and draft class for what they have to offer, and focus on taking advantage of the strengths offered.

8 - It's easier to teach players to stop the run than rush the passer.

9 - Don't draft players whose success will invalidate your other drafted players.

and so on and so on...
You and George Allen would have gotten along great. Part of the problem with your overall strategy is that in the cap era vets are typically more expensive. Certainly you want key vets, but I think you have to make a number of rookies work for a successful team.

1 The roster cleanse was a HC/GM decision to end an attitude of accepting losses as inevitable. Agree it hasn’t worked so far, bad coaching
2 Financially rookies are needed, picking the right vets not a sure thing either
3 Stuck with QB, not sure there are good WRs who don’t run good routes
4 True about rookies, also can’t predict when vets will go downhill, QB Wilson
5 The Cards spent, but on wrong guys; agree you need some Sweats to win
6 Need Cap space to sign multiple top free agents. All teams sign mid guys
7 Agree
8 Depends on the players, most big winners have good pass rushers
9 I’d draft the best players and trade those displaced. Injuries make backups critical
 
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Didn’t stop the Broncos from immediately becoming a playoff team and now a Super Bowl contender in the same amount of time.

Your excuses are as laughable as the Cardinals plan or lack thereof the last three years, especially if they’re blaming the entire thing on Kyler.
I may not agree with his opinion, but their his opinion, not excuses, and I'm not laughing
 

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When you bet on low ceiling guys, you never really have a chance to win. That was the issue for Monti. He gutted the defense and then counted on 3 mid FA guys and draft picks to carry it. Unless he had spectacular luck, it was never going to work.

Even if healthy, what result do you think a group of Justin Jones, Bilal Nichols, LJ Collier, Roy Lopez, Dante Stills (2nd year) and Darius Robinson (rookie) were going to have?

EDIT: especially in a scheme that has a goal of rusher the passer without blitzing which requires players who can win one-on-one matchups.
Gutted the 2022 defense?
Just a few sample numbers:
Allowed most passing TDs in league
Allowed the most YAC in the league
Early down success ranked 29th
Points allowed per game 31st
Yards allowed per game 26th
Seems like gutting that defense was smart. They made 2 questionable decisions; Allen & Murphy. Hard to understand those 2 decisions as we don’t know why. Were they getting bad advice and from whom?
 

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Not to harp on the Ojulari pick but there were 5 players drafted between pick 41 (Ojulari) and 94 (Wilson) that have over 10 career sacks, and 4 players who have more than 15. 3 bites at the pass rush apple and Monti hit 0.
Can’t judge an injured player’s potential IMO
 

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Can’t judge an injured player’s potential IMO
Sure you can! I judge his potential as "not met". See how easy that is?

He wasn't all that highly rated coming out of college. He hurt his knee his senior year and the had only two sacks over his last eight games. He was mostly evaluated as a potential good starter at some point but not an immediate impact player.

In my mind, his pick is somewhat like the Robinson and Melton picks. Lots of hope based on the measurables over the actual football played in college.
 

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