2024 wasn't "a collapse." The Cardinals were average and are now a playoff team.

[Mulli]

They were up 13 on the Vikes in the second half, then Kyler threw a pick, intentionally grounded the ball on the Minnesota 10, and threw another pick.

Team effort. The joy is int he competition.

Why didn’t they make Sam Darnold do that, too!?

 

[BirdGangThing]

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Why didn’t they make Sam Darnold do that, too!?

that's the new plan man - force other qb's to struggle more than ours

 

[Mulli]

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that's the new plan man - force other qb's to struggle more than ours

Smart.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

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that's the new plan man - force other qb's to struggle more than ours

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[BACH]

I dunno, bro. Hard to blame the defense for scoring just six points on the road at Seattle at a game we absolutely needed and nine points at the Rams to end the year.

If you can definitely conclude that the play-offs were missed due to those two games - you absolutely have a point that the offense failed. But is that all on Kyler?

Not being able to stop anything in Carolina. Folding in the 4th in Minnesota, when the offense scored 22 points against one of the best defenses in the league. Not helping the offense in Buffalo. All on the defense.

9 losses in total.
2 losses where the team was completely overmatched and defense more than offense.
3 losses on offense.
4 losses on defense.

Sorry. I have a hard time understanding, why Kyler is solely to blame for missing the play-offs, when the defense clearly lost more games for the team than the offense, which Kyler is only a component off.

 

[Stout]

If you can definitely conclude that the play-offs were missed due to those two games - you absolutely have a point that the offense failed. But is that all on Kyler?

Not being able to stop anything in Carolina. Folding in the 4th in Minnesota, when the offense scored 22 points against one of the best defenses in the league. Not helping the offense in Buffalo. All on the defense.

9 losses in total.
2 losses where the team was completely overmatched and defense more than offense.
3 losses on offense.
4 losses on defense.

Sorry. I have a hard time understanding, why Kyler is solely to blame for missing the play-offs, when the defense clearly lost more games for the team than the offense, which Kyler is only a component off.

Not laying it all on Kyler is not the same as saying Kyler didn't choke down the stretch. Would we have made the playoffs if Kyler doesn't go full fetal? Perhaps. Did we make the playoffs when he went into his traditional late-season swoon? We did not.

 

[cardinals2025]

I won't say the team collapsed; I will say that Kyler absolutely choked.

You clearly don’t understand the definition of an average team. But regardless, this year will be different because we have an above average team.

So even though he is now capable of choking again it will likely be irrelevant when our defense helps us to get into position to get 10 wins before our nightmare schedule at the end of the season. Just like we did when we went 11-6 in 2021.

In fact 2020 and 2024 were very similar seasons with two teams that were not good enough yet. But yeah repeat the same tired arguement.

Cuz apparently the other 30 QBs in the league don’t require a defense to win games.

Mahomes beat CAR 28-22

Kyler lost to CAR 36-33

Interesting choke job there.

 

[cardinals2025]

If you can definitely conclude that the play-offs were missed due to those two games - you absolutely have a point that the offense failed. But is that all on Kyler?

Not being able to stop anything in Carolina. Folding in the 4th in Minnesota, when the offense scored 22 points against one of the best defenses in the league. Not helping the offense in Buffalo. All on the defense.

9 losses in total.
2 losses where the team was completely overmatched and defense more than offense.
3 losses on offense.
4 losses on defense.

Sorry. I have a hard time understanding, why Kyler is solely to blame for missing the play-offs, when the defense clearly lost more games for the team than the offense, which Kyler is only a component off.

We are just going back and forth here between games the defense messed up and games the offense messed up.

Just think of 2024 like 2020 when we went 8-8.

Our defense improved and we had our best start ever in 2021. That year the offense put up more pts with less yards gained than in 2020.

Thats how having a better defense helps the offense. Especially if your defense has the capacity to be elite top 10 this year and will improve after being 31st in time of possession.

Harrison and Benson will both improve after showing flashes at the end of last season.

The fact that the offense was sometimes to play and the defense was sometimes to blame proves we were average.

 

[cardinals2025]

They were up 13 on the Vikes in the second half, then Kyler threw a pick, intentionally grounded the ball on the Minnesota 10, and threw another pick.

Team effort. The joy is int he competition.

They didn’t return the INTs for TDs. MINN was a top 5 defense at the time. Also, before the intentional grounding the refs made the wrong call on Tip Reiman for false start. It was an obvious off sides. That made it 2nd and GL from the 10 instead of 2nd and GL from the 2 in a half yard line.

MINN had to move the ball constantly to make their comeback and thats what they did.

Especially after we had another lead following the FG. The Cardinals offense scored 23 pts vs a top 5 def in one of the hardest place to play and lost. The two INTs is not the reason. The Vikings took our tired, injured, depth prone defense down the length of the field multiple times.

23 pts in MINN vs that def when our running game torches their top 5 rush def (despite you saying our oline crumbled at the end of the year) makes it much more of the defenses fault.

I could only wonder what your reaction would be if Kyler had a game like Darnold did vs JAX. Where they win 12-7 when Darnold throws 3 INTs and they score 0 tds vs Mac Jones.

Or when SEA beats CHI 6-3

Or when Stafford beats SF 12-6 vs Purdy and then beats us 13-9.

What exceptional QB play in those games. Your absolutely insane to put the offense on the same level of fault as the defense vs MINN.

Darnold is very beatable with the talent we added on defense. Your argument here is just convoluted against Murray for no reason. The offense did better than expected. The defense collapsed in the 2nd half. End of story.

You think you are some sort of know it all but you don’t even realize our offensive line was rated in the top 15 by multiple respectable sources.

You are nitpicking that because you are just a constant negative nancy. Your facts are genuinely incomplete and your opinions like the oline crumbling are often backed by nothing.

 

[Stout]

You clearly don’t understand the definition of an average team. But regardless, this year will be different because we have an above average team.

So even though he is now capable of choking again it will likely be irrelevant when our defense helps us to get into position to get 10 wins before our nightmare schedule at the end of the season. Just like we did when we went 11-6 in 2021.

In fact 2020 and 2024 were very similar seasons with two teams that were not good enough yet. But yeah repeat the same tired arguement.

Cuz apparently the other 30 QBs in the league don’t require a defense to win games.

Mahomes beat CAR 28-22

Kyler lost to CAR 36-33

Interesting choke job there.

You're clearly just agitating. I don't read your ubiquitous, rambling posts. Now I know why. I bid you good day.

 

[oaken1]

You're clearly just agitating. I don't read your ubiquitous, rambling posts. Now I know why. I bid you good day.

"Ubiquitous"??
I dont know what it means but with this guys posts being literally everywhere on the board right now I guess coming up with replies stretches ones vocabulary a bit.

 

[Stout]

"Ubiquitous"??
I dont know what it means but with this guys posts being literally everywhere on the board right now I guess coming up with replies stretches ones vocabulary a bit.

Perfect response

 

[Mulli]

Perfect response

Ya, but not “literally” everywhere

 

[oaken1]

Ya, but not “literally” everywhere

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[Mulli]

Gross

 

[kerouac9]

You clearly don’t understand the definition of an average team. But regardless, this year will be different because we have an above average team.

I think we're confusing causes and effects here. Kyler's late-season swoon causes us to be an average team when we could have been an above-average team (which I assume means a playoff team). They are not independent variables. If you dropped a league-average QB (say Darnold, Tua, or Lawrence) into the same situation, I don't think the results are much different. I think that shows that not only are the Cards an average team, but Kyler is a pretty average quarterback.

Saying "We have an above average team" probably needs some explication here. I don't know if that's the case. We improved in our weakest area (defensive line/front five), but going from average to above-average projects improvement from prospects (Nolen, Robinson, Ojulari) that haven't manifest. If we'd just added Sweat, Tomlinson, and Campbell, I think we move from below-average on defensive front five to average.

 

[Mulli]

ChatGPT: please show me how Kyler v. Darnold, Tua, or Lawrence Late season performances are the same.

 

[BACH]

Not laying it all on Kyler is not the same as saying Kyler didn't choke down the stretch. Would we have made the playoffs if Kyler doesn't go full fetal? Perhaps. Did we make the playoffs when he went into his traditional late-season swoon? We did not.

Fair. But it’s made out to be the only reason.

There were multiple reasons. Kyler did have some bad games. Kyler is the most important player on offense. There are other players on offense to share the blame. The coaching staff is also to blame. The defense definitely lost more games for the team than the offense.

There is more too it than Kyler choked.

 

[CardNots]

and the hard part is upon us, we wait to see the results of the offseason activities. Waiting sucks…

 

[BirdGangThing]

i asked a.i.

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[Stout]

Fair. But it’s made out to be the only reason.

There were multiple reasons. Kyler did have some bad games. Kyler is the most important player on offense. There are other players on offense to share the blame. The coaching staff is also to blame. The defense definitely lost more games for the team than the offense.

There is more too it than Kyler choked.

Mm, there is, but it is the main reason. I'd put lack of depth after that.

 

[BulldogCard]

The Cards, as a whole team, need to prove it on the field the complete season; bottom line. Not a down has been played yet, and there is a history of not finishing. Murray, MHJ have to improve, the OL has to hold up. The front seven and Budda have to consistently generate pressure, especially when rushing 4. The dbs will need a good pass rush for the defense to get off the field, the run D has to be way better than the last couple of years. I feel a guard, backup qb and another wr need to get signed. I wanted to trade for Hendrickson, but that seems remote.

 

[oaken1]

The Cards, as a whole team, need to prove it on the field the complete season; bottom line. Not a down has been played yet, and there is a history of not finishing. Murray, MHJ have to improve, the OL has to hold up. The front seven and Budda have to consistently generate pressure, especially when rushing 4. The dbs will need a good pass rush for the defense to get off the field, the run D has to be way better than the last couple of years. I feel a guard, backup qb and another wr need to get signed. I wanted to trade for Hendrickson, but that seems remote.

Brissett is a solid backup. Better than any we have had in a while.
Agree on the OG... but I'm pretty sure we have to wait until next year for an over the top WR