2023 Phoenix Suns Offseason

[Phrazbit]

KAT not close

Neither? If I had to, I'd take Harden.

You and I see eye to eye on a lot of stuff, but I think KAT is the most overrated player in the modern NBA.

We complain about Ayton's competitive desire, he looks like Rocky compared to KAT.

KAT is the last guy back on both ends, he hates contact, he doesn't set screens, he doesn't really do anything unless the ball is in his hands, he doesn't pretend to play defense. I think he is a net negative.

When Towns was playing center he could at least present himself as an offensive mismatch... even if he was a clown show on the other end, as a 4, he is mediocre on one end and utterly useless on the other.

The list of guys I'd take over Towns is extremely long and almost certainly features guys that will play for the minimum next year.

 

[Proximo]

Reading comments from the press conference, Frank Vogel comes close to suggesting another point guard might be an option.

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“We want to play with pace, so we’re gonna have a multiple ball-handler attack on most possessions, but I love the fact that both Bradley and Devin have played point at phases of their career and can initiate offense, as can KD,” Vogel said. “We also want to see how the rest of the roster shakes out to see if we add a point guard. Cam Payne will be in mix. All those decisions will play out in camp, but we’re gonna play with pace and have a multiple ball-handler attack.”

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He could be referring to Schroeder.

 

[Proximo]

So...

If you guys had a choice and you have to pick..

Would you take KAT or Harden??

Kat. Not a big fan, but harden is nothing but a declining inefficient 3pt chucker at this point.

 

[Sparky16]

I am not saying it is the case but yea I agree.. if anyone is to do something so wild.. I could see it being Kyrie..

I know the money figure is not the same but I worked with an Electrical Engineer who was making $120k a year. Guy was in his 50s and was pretty much set for life. One day he got tired and said he was done. Took a job making $10 an hour. Said it was the best thing he ever did. No stress.. no deadline pressure.. enjoyed the people around him..

Maybe Kyrie is feeling the same lol..

This is spot on, 30 years ago i wished i made the $ i do now.... problem is i was enjoying life more when i was making less, but a lot of that was just being young. I have to many obligations now to take a pay cut. But now i have the additional pressure of deadlines etc... the end of the month comes to fast now. However i believe the stress of not being able to pay bills is far greater. Kyrie has made 100s of millions, he should be set for life. If I had a couple million in the bank i would make changes to enjoy my life a little more. In the real world, we dont retire until 65-70... In Kyries world, retirement starts at 30-35. You have to get some before its over

 

[Dr. Jones]

So...

If you guys had a choice and you have to pick..

Would you take KAT or Harden??

Not only would KAT be our 4th option. He would space the floor, hit threes, and be long on defense (he's below average, I know).

The other benefit is that he's young still and a great friend of Book. That makes a difference in my mind.

If all KAT has to do is finish on pick and rolls and hit threes he becomes much more valuable to me. And our overall length on defense would be great. Especially if we can find a 3 with a wingspan. Maybe KBD and his 7'3" wingspan?

 

[Germz249]

He could be referring to Schroeder.

My inside source, the lady on the psychic hotline I called and ESPN says Dennis Schroeder wants to stay in LA and waiting for an offer from them.

 

[Germz249]

Neither? If I had to, I'd take Harden.

You and I see eye to eye on a lot of stuff, but I think KAT is the most overrated player in the modern NBA.

We complain about Ayton's competitive desire, he looks like Rocky compared to KAT.

KAT is the last guy back on both ends, he hates contact, he doesn't set screens, he doesn't really do anything unless the ball is in his hands, he doesn't pretend to play defense. I think he is a net negative.

When Towns was playing center he could at least present himself as an offensive mismatch... even if he was a clown show on the other end, as a 4, he is mediocre on one end and utterly useless on the other.

The list of guys I'd take over Towns is extremely long and almost certainly features guys that will play for the minimum next year.

I would take neither also but the guy who has been dead on in his prediction says either KAT or Harden will come to the Suns. Figured I would see who everyone would want lol

I would go with KAT cause with our big 3 I don’t see a place for Harden. Plus when we get Kyrie for vet minimum I am sure that old trio wouldn’t want to give it a go lol.

 

[Hoop Head]

I would take neither also but the guy who has been dead on in his prediction says either KAT or Harden will come to the Suns. Figured I would see who everyone would want lol

I would go with KAT cause with our big 3 I don’t see a place for Harden. Plus when we get Kyrie for vet minimum I am sure that old trio wouldn’t want to give it a go lol.

Just imagine a starting 5 of Kyrie, Beal, Booker, KD, and KAT. That's a legit All-Star team.

 

[95pro]

Not only would KAT be our 4th option. He would space the floor, hit threes, and be long on defense (he's below average, I know).

The other benefit is that he's young still and a great friend of Book. That makes a difference in my mind.

If all KAT has to do is finish on pick and rolls and hit threes he becomes much more valuable to me. And our overall length on defense would be great. Especially if we can find a 3 with a wingspan. Maybe KBD and his 7'3" wingspan?

Agreed, he'd become somewhat like Lopez is now but without the defense OR maybe the lack of having to produce big numbers will help him focus on defense more.

 

[Proximo]

Just imagine a starting 5 of Kyrie, Beal, Booker, KD, and KAT. That's a legit All-Star team.

Trading Ayton for Kat makes no sense to me. Ayton is willing to play center, is a better defender and rebounder. We don't need Kat's scoring.

The only reason to even consider it is if Ayton wants out.

 

[Mainstreet]

He could be referring to Schroeder.

Dennis Schroeder doesn't seem to have a lot of fans on the forum, but perhaps Frank Vogel may see things differently.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Dennis Schroeder doesn't seem to have a lot of fans on the forum, but perhaps Frank Vogel may see things differently.

Ha. I'd be shocked. I always thought that Schroeder's play was one of the main reasons Vogel got fired in LA.

 

[Mainstreet]

Can’t wait to see the lazy guy that doesn’t run most of the time lol… this must be sarcasm. Our best hope is he can get half a season of good Ayton so his trade value isn’t poo! I have zero faith that Ayton is just gonna turn into a different player than he has EVER been and maintain it!

Although, I will wait to see how Ayton progresses under Frank Vogel and a new player environment.

IMO, asking less of Ayton has a chance to improve what he brings to the table.

 

[Mainstreet]

Ha. I'd be shocked. I always thought that Schroeder's play was one of the main reasons Vogel got fired in LA.

We will see. Point guards are not the easiest to find.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Not only would KAT be our 4th option. He would space the floor, hit threes, and be long on defense (he's below average, I know).

The other benefit is that he's young still and a great friend of Book. That makes a difference in my mind.

If all KAT has to do is finish on pick and rolls and hit threes he becomes much more valuable to me. And our overall length on defense would be great. Especially if we can find a 3 with a wingspan. Maybe KBD and his 7'3" wingspan?

I remember when the Warriors were frustrated that Robert Parish did not produce up to their expectations, and they expressed frustration with his motivation. So they traded him for the pick that became Joe Barry Carroll.

It is possible to find a player that is less motivated than Ayton. KT is that man.

Now in his defense. He has never mentally or physically fully recovered from his own bout with Covid and the horror that his family endured during that time.

 

[Mainstreet]

My inside source, the lady on the psychic hotline I called and ESPN says Dennis Schroeder wants to stay in LA and waiting for an offer from them.

Spoken like a true insider.

 

[GatorAZ]

Schroeder would be a huge addition plus he’s familiar with Frankie V. He’s got just enough qasi-dirtiness/grit but not to the PatBev level. We need some spunk…

Dennis, Payne
Book, Goodwin/Lee
Beal, Crowder/Okogie
KD, Stanley J/Watanabe
DA, Jock

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Neither? If I had to, I'd take Harden.

You and I see eye to eye on a lot of stuff, but I think KAT is the most overrated player in the modern NBA.

We complain about Ayton's competitive desire, he looks like Rocky compared to KAT.

KAT is the last guy back on both ends, he hates contact, he doesn't set screens, he doesn't really do anything unless the ball is in his hands, he doesn't pretend to play defense. I think he is a net negative.

When Towns was playing center he could at least present himself as an offensive mismatch... even if he was a clown show on the other end, as a 4, he is mediocre on one end and utterly useless on the other.

The list of guys I'd take over Towns is extremely long and almost certainly features guys that will play for the minimum next year.

I am more thinking in this team Harden would be a super poor fit.

Now before Beal it would be the opposite.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Lakers and Suns are reported to be on Kevin Love's free agent list.

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[Chris_Sanders]

The Lakers and Suns are reported to be on Kevin Love's free agent list.

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Kevin Love is the player we are supposed to get every year and it never happens.

 

[Mainstreet]

Kevin Love is the player we are supposed to get every year and it never happens.

Yeah, I'm not holding my breath to get Kevin Love even though he would have made a big difference on the Suns last season.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Kevin Love is the player we are supposed to get every year and it never happens.

he is always associated with the Lakers and never gets there.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Yeah, I'm not holding my breath to get Kevin Love even though he would have made a big difference on the Suns last season.

Absolutely huge. You trade Love's ability to hit a corner 3 for Okogies. It's night and day.

 

[Mainstreet]

Absolutely huge. You trade Love's ability to hit a corner 3 for Okogies. It's night and day.

Exactly. Also, Kevin Love could have played some center.

 

[Mainstreet]

I hope the Suns give Wadford a look.

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