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1 – Well, that’s why I – and others – always say that there is no such thing as a “can’t miss draft prospect.”

2 – The offensive line gets absolutely no push in the run game. None.

3 – I feel horrible for James Connor. I think this injury will effectively end his career.

4 – Before the season, I mentioned how Murray has the potential to become a top five quarterback, and in last week's column I pointed out how some posters use box score scouting to argue that statement. I mentioned that you cannot do that but rather you have to go back and see his first couple of years in the NFL. He was fantastic for long stretches. Truly a star.

However, since then he has gradually become more and more average, and that trajectory has continued this season. His scrambling weapon doesn’t get deployed much, and he has become inaccurate on deep throws. I don’t know what has happened, but it is surely not only play calling. It could be the injury risk after his ACL that has gotten into his head? He still has the potential, but I don't think that he will ever reach a high enough level to win championships.

5 – This was more like the run defense that I expected before the season. Holding McCaffrey to 3.1 yards average on 17 carries is good.

6 – We knew from the moment Petzing arrived that it would be a methodical dink and dunk offense, but to make that work, you simply cannot be 5 for 15 on third down. That is very effective self-demolition for such offensive approach.

7 – Now we know what all the preseason-hype around Mack Wilson was about. Best defender in the game.

8 – That play where Murray runs around like a chicken without head - into the endzone - rivals his end zone INT in the Rams playoff loss as the stupidest decision of his career.

9 – In a game without their two best cornerbacks, Elijah Jones punched in to deliver a grand total of 0 snaps.

10 – I certainly understand why several posters want them to buy some star WR from another team, seeing how the ineffectiveness of that unit limits the entire offense, but honestly, what’s the point when Petzing and Murray would rather sell their first-born than get the ball to a WR downfield? Besides, they need the draft picks for a quarterback next fall.
 

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#4. When we drafted him, I said High floor, low ceiling and so far this has held true. I know some here still don't like hearing this, however Murray has done nothing to dis-spell this notion.
 

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No mention of the 3 drops that cost us points and the game?

There is nothing that sticks out more for me.

Also not talked about is special teams and a missed kick that again hurts in a 1pt loss.
 

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No mention of the 3 drops that cost us points and the game?

There is nothing that sticks out more for me.

Also not talked about is special teams and a missed kick that again hurts in a 1pt loss.
I know you love Murray, but he has noticably regressed as a passer. He used to be phenomenal, he doesnt have the same zip or placement that he did when he was young.
 

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3. It is possible but the dude came back from cancer. There will always be a place for a short yardage and goal line runner, probably at a reduced salary
7. Easily his best game as a Cardinal. Hope he strings together many more.
 
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No mention of the 3 drops that cost us points and the game?
It was literally thought #11, so I had to delete it. I feel like Murray is a bigger problem.

However, two drops made touchdowns into field goals, while one other by Harrison would have been a big conversion. The Cards had nine drives (other than the touchdown) and ran 64 offensive plays. Are you really saying that two of those plays cost them the game? It's not against the rules to score on some of the other 62.

Also not talked about is special teams and a missed kick that again hurts in a 1pt loss.

The gift for the Niners of seven points (field goal and walk-in touchdown) was also on the list.
 
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1 – Well, that’s why I – and others – always say that there is no such thing as a “can’t miss draft prospect.”

2 – The offensive line gets absolutely no push in the run game. None.

3 – I feel horrible for James Connor. I think this injury will effectively end his career.

4 – Before the season, I mentioned how Murray has the potential to become a top five quarterback, and in last week's column I pointed out how some posters use box score scouting to argue that statement. I mentioned that you cannot do that but rather you have to go back and see his first couple of years in the NFL. He was fantastic for long stretches. Truly a star.

However, since then he has gradually become more and more average, and that trajectory has continued this season. His scrambling weapon doesn’t get deployed much, and he has become inaccurate on deep throws. I don’t know what has happened, but it is surely not only play calling. It could be the injury risk after his ACL that has gotten into his head? He still has the potential, but I don't think that he will ever reach a high enough level to win championships.

5 – This was more like the run defense that I expected before the season. Holding McCaffrey to 3.1 yards average on 17 carries is good.

6 – We knew from the moment Petzing arrived that it would be a methodical dink and dunk offense, but to make that work, you simply cannot be 5 for 15 on third down. That is very effective self-demolition for such offensive approach.

7 – Now we know what all the preseason-hype around Mack Wilson was about. Best defender in the game.

8 – That play where Murray runs around like a chicken without head - into the endzone - rivals his end zone INT in the Rams playoff loss as the stupidest decision of his career.

9 – In a game without their two best cornerbacks, Elijah Jones punched in to deliver a grand total of 0 snaps.

10 – I certainly understand why several posters want them to buy some star WR from another team, seeing how the ineffectiveness of that unit limits the entire offense, but honestly, what’s the point when Petzing and Murray would rather sell their first-born than get the ball to a WR downfield? Besides, they need the draft picks for a quarterback next fall.
1. Too early to quit on him
3. Sadly certainly possible, but if anybody can fight through it
4. Doesn’t seem likely
8. Reflects on improvement observation
9. Better experienced options
Mostly agree with the remainder
 

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It was literally thought #11, so I had to delete it. I feel like Murray is a bigger problem.

However, two drops made touchdowns into field goals, while one other by Harrison would have been a big conversion. The Cards had nine drives (other than the touchdown) and ran 64 offensive plays. Are you really saying that two of those plays cost them the game? It's not against the rules to score on some of the other 62.



The gift for the Niners of seven points (field goal and walk-in touchdown) was also on the list.
You think in this game K1 was a bigger problem?

We are talking just this game not what you think of his career.
 
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You think in this game K1 was a bigger problem?

We are talking just this game not what you think of his career.
Yes, I do. I think he is holding the offense back. I think that the receivers are open (as open as you can get in the NFL), but for whatever reason, Murray repeatedly chooses to go with the safe throw or start running around. I think an approach like that throughout the entire game is much more important than three dropped passes.
 
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1. Too early to quit on him
No, I am not quitting on him, Harry. Then I expressed myself wrong. My point was that most expected him to be All-Pro from he stepped onto the field as a rookie.
9. Better experienced options
Well, do you think they are more experienced? I mean, you could argue that Burke is more experienced in that he has practiced for four years against stud WRs. I don’t know. That he got zero snaps is stunning to me. I don’t think he has a future with the Cardinals.
 

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Yes, I do. I think he is holding the offense back. I think that the receivers are open (as open as you can get in the NFL), but for whatever reason, Murray repeatedly chooses to go with the safe throw or start running around. I think an approach like that throughout the entire game is much more important than three dropped passes.
I truly wish K1 was holding back this offense.

After seeing the crap show after JC went out and half the team not knowing their assingments. I have no idea how anyone could conclude that this offense is being held back by anyone but the abysmal coaching staff on offense.

Our super star WR is getting progressively worse. Our passing game is progressively worse. Even before JC went down our running game has gotten progressively worse. Our oline is progressively worse. K1 still needs to improve as a on field general for sure but this team would have no wins without him.
 
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I truly wish K1 was holding back this offense.

After seeing the crap show after JC went out and half the team not knowing their assingments. I have no idea how anyone could conclude that this offense is being held back by anyone but the abysmal coaching staff on offense.
It is obviously a combination of different factors, but to completely exonerate Murray is simply weird to me.
 

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Rdy to be 2 and 2 after tnf.....

With wrs dropin ever easy pass for some idiotic reason fireeee wr coach!!! Pls that was emberessinggggg sun purly awful

Tnf gonna sting bad brace yourselfs ill have plenty 420 loll sighhhh

Least asu my money fantasy team winnin only card i have is mcbride heh
 

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It was literally thought #11, so I had to delete it. I feel like Murray is a bigger problem.

However, two drops made touchdowns into field goals, while one other by Harrison would have been a big conversion. The Cards had nine drives (other than the touchdown) and ran 64 offensive plays. Are you really saying that two of those plays cost them the game? It's not against the rules to score on some of the other 62.



The gift for the Niners of seven points (field goal and walk-in touchdown) was also on the list.
I'll answer. Yes, those 3 plays, in particular, cost us the game.
As much as I bag on Murray at times, to say he was the problem and not the drops, is a big question mark for me. He had the one boneheaded scramble mentioned but he did enough to win the game.
 

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Yes, I do. I think he is holding the offense back. I think that the receivers are open (as open as you can get in the NFL), but for whatever reason, Murray repeatedly chooses to go with the safe throw or start running around. I think an approach like that throughout the entire game is much more important than three dropped passes.
I’m beginning to agree
 

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1 – Well, that’s why I – and others – always say that there is no such thing as a “can’t miss draft prospect.”

2 – The offensive line gets absolutely no push in the run game. None.

3 – I feel horrible for James Connor. I think this injury will effectively end his career.

4 – Before the season, I mentioned how Murray has the potential to become a top five quarterback, and in last week's column I pointed out how some posters use box score scouting to argue that statement. I mentioned that you cannot do that but rather you have to go back and see his first couple of years in the NFL. He was fantastic for long stretches. Truly a star.

However, since then he has gradually become more and more average, and that trajectory has continued this season. His scrambling weapon doesn’t get deployed much, and he has become inaccurate on deep throws. I don’t know what has happened, but it is surely not only play calling. It could be the injury risk after his ACL that has gotten into his head? He still has the potential, but I don't think that he will ever reach a high enough level to win championships.

5 – This was more like the run defense that I expected before the season. Holding McCaffrey to 3.1 yards average on 17 carries is good.

6 – We knew from the moment Petzing arrived that it would be a methodical dink and dunk offense, but to make that work, you simply cannot be 5 for 15 on third down. That is very effective self-demolition for such offensive approach.

7 – Now we know what all the preseason-hype around Mack Wilson was about. Best defender in the game.

8 – That play where Murray runs around like a chicken without head - into the endzone - rivals his end zone INT in the Rams playoff loss as the stupidest decision of his career.

9 – In a game without their two best cornerbacks, Elijah Jones punched in to deliver a grand total of 0 snaps.

10 – I certainly understand why several posters want them to buy some star WR from another team, seeing how the ineffectiveness of that unit limits the entire offense, but honestly, what’s the point when Petzing and Murray would rather sell their first-born than get the ball to a WR downfield? Besides, they need the draft picks for a quarterback next fall.
4. Bottom line with Kyler is the league caught up with him. Keep him in the pocket, seal the outside and he’s dead. He can’t see over the line. He bounces in the pocket and just has to pat the ball before he throws it.
Every snap he takes he should be sliding one side or another but he doesn’t.
I’m also convinced Petzing is as big a problem. Our Wr’s never get into the flow of the game. JG and Petzing are stuck on the “Eagle” plan. Run the ball. Short passes. Play good defense. And Kyler is perfectly happy with it.
I kinda wish Kyler would tweak an ankle. I think with Brissett the offense would run smother IF IF IF they were to open things up.

Nice post Ghsndi…as always.
 

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No mention of the 3 drops that cost us points and the game?

There is nothing that sticks out more for me.

Also not talked about is special teams and a missed kick that again hurts in a 1pt loss.
602, I must have missed one. Remember Demercado and Zay Jones dropping TD's, but not the third. Need help. Thanks.
 

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