“Who would stop this Cardinals offense?”

[Chopper0080]

allgeier is only on a 2 year contract - conner won't even be around in 2 years -

love is signed for 4 years - we just extended mcbride for 4 years and we'll likely extend wilson this year - no clue how long but these 3 guys are the future - being strong at all 3 of these critical positions for the foreseeable future is good business by monti imo

mcbride not being the only weapon is everything - the emergence of wilson unlocked mcbride - it was supposed to be mhj but idc - point is we needed a bad ass rb to go with our bad ass tight end and bad ass wide receiver for the next 4 years - we got that

I have less of an issue with the Love pick if he plays like the 3rd pick in the draft. That guy shouldn't have an issue relegating Tyler Allgeier to the 25%-35% of the rotation. He should win the job in camp and make enough plays to end with top 10 production. That's what Bijan did his rookie year. What Saquon did. Top 10 yards from scrimmage by RBs last year was like 1450 yards. It's not a huge hurdle. Chase Brown and Breece Hall both achieved that.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

I have less of an issue with the Love pick if he plays like the 3rd pick in the draft. That guy shouldn't have an issue relegating Tyler Allgeier to the 25%-35% of the rotation. He should win the job in camp and make enough plays to end with top 10 production. That's what Bijan did his rookie year. What Saquon did. Top 10 yards from scrimmage by RBs last year was like 1450 yards. It's not a huge hurdle. Chase Brown and Breece Hall both achieved that.

right on - i'd rather be successful at all 3 positions - that's where im at - if love has a great ypc that's really all he can control - if he gets great yards after a reception that's all he can control

this whole percentage of usage that's being touted as some benchmark - that's honestly on lafleur - if love is averaging 5+ a carry im good

the play action that comes with a rb averaging 5+ a carry won't show up on the stat sheet

all love has to do is be good to great when he gets his opportunities - it's all he can do - i don't give a rat's ass what so and so did on some other team - if some of those teams had a mcbride and a wilson each going for 1,100+ i imagine they wouldn't have ran their rookie running back so much

a great ypc is what im looking for - total yards at the end of the season is what love will look to improve on in his sophomore season and so forth

but if he doesn't get the 20+ carries a game it shouldn't effect his credit score

 

[oaken1]

right on - i'd rather be successful at all 3 positions - that's where im at - if love has a great ypc that's really all he can control - if he gets great yards after a reception that's all he can control

this whole percentage of usage that's being touted as some benchmark - that's honestly on lafleur - if love is averaging 5+ a carry im good

the play action that comes with a rb averaging 5+ a carry won't show up on the stat sheet

all love has to do is be good to great when he gets his opportunities - it's all he can do - i don't give a rat's ass what so and so did on some other team - if some of those teams had a mcbride and a wilson each going for 1,100+ i imagine they wouldn't have ran their rookie running back so much

a great ypc is what im looking for - total yards at the end of the season is what love will look to improve on in his sophomore season and so forth

but if he doesn't get the 20+ carries a game it shouldn't effect his credit score

and yards after contact...that can be big for a RB

 

[oaken1]

Nice post - thanks for bringing these facts to the discussion!

I never advocated for deliberately restricting Love's workload - I said I don't see the point of "running him into the ground" or giving him an arbitrary 75% of the workload "just because". I keep using Jahmyr Gibbs' rookie season as an exemplar of a workload that would be completely satisfactory, IF Love shows the same kind of promise that Gibbs did in 2023.

Here are some facts for you:

(a) Self-evidently, every touch a player gets incrementally adds to his injury risk.

(b) 75% of the average team's 465-carry rushing workload, plus around 50 catches, would get Love dangerously close to the "Curse of 370" and 400 total touch RB workload that is well known to result in increased chance of injury, reduced performance, and shortened careers as has been well documented by Football Outsiders' Aaron Schatz.

Ergo, you CAN enhance the likelihood of an RB having success in the future by NOT "running him into the ground".

Damn logic....

 

[kerouac9]

Again, this is in the context of Love following Gibbs' career trajectory. The Lions went to the playoffs in 2023 with Gibbs producing 47.5% of the scrimmage yards from their RB crew, which produced the 5th most rushing yards in the league. They won three fewer games and missed the playoffs in 2025 when Gibbs had 66.5% of the scrimmage yards from their RB crew and their running game ranked 14th.

If Love shows the same kind of promise as Gibbs did in his rookie season, I'd rather have the Cards have a top-5 running game than a 14th ranked running game, even if that means Allgeier is playing great eating into Love's production. I don't see the inherent value in Love having 65-75% of the carries and running him "into the ground" just for the sake of saying that the Cardinals "got positional savings". The money and draft picks are sunk costs at this point and if Love turns out to have the exact first three years as Gibbs, who cares about the rest? Will you really be upset if the Cards' RB room has the same kind of year as the Lions' RB room in 2023?

As for MHJ, he's clearly NOT on the career path expected of a guy drafted #4, so I would definitely like to see him get better. If the Cards somehow had a top-5 passing game with Harrison getting fewer yards than Wilson and McBride, it wouldn't be such a big deal - but in reality, Harrison's continued lack of development would prevent them from having a top-5 passing game, so it IS a problem. By contrast, Gibbs did not hold back the Lions from having a top-5 running game in 2023.

love isn’t Gibbs in this scenario; he’s Aidan Hutchinson.

Where has Bijan Robinson lead the Falcons?

 

[BigDavis75]

Just looked.

4671 by carson Palmer in 2015 was the highest single season passing mark in Cardinals history.

Warner hit just over 4500 one year. But Palmer owns 3 of the top 5 slots in 2013, 2015, and 2016..
Then other than Warner, Neil Lomaxs 1984 campaign rounds out the top 5

It’s wild how good he was for us. 5 seasons with two season ending injuries and he still accomplished this.

 

[THESMEL]

I’m more impressed with the defensive players drafted these last few years - if they ever touch potential

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I’m more impressed with the defensive players drafted these last few years - if they ever touch potential

If

 

[some dumb guy]

If

That's a BIG if...LOL

 

[BulldogCard]

I'm hoping they win a range of drafts finally this season. Never happens right away, but new coaching in key areas, and recovery will make this a must payout season. The OL and D are key, because of the new regime, strength, and retainage.

 

[GatorAZ]

love isn’t Gibbs in this scenario; he’s Aidan Hutchinson.

Where has Bijan Robinson lead the Falcons?

To relevance.

 

[Gandhi]

Disagree. If he isn't a 65%-75% usage guy out of the gate, it wasting a year for a player at a position where you are not getting any positional savings, and at a position which has an inherently shorter lifespan. Just need to go all gas, no brakes and run this dude into the ground.

I understand that you have indicated several times that you want the Cards to lose, but do you really also hope that they kill Love in that process? That's wild to me.

 

[kerouac9]

To relevance.

Zero winning seasons in three years he’s been there.

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[Harry]

If MLF can solve the Harrison puzzle, this offense will score a bunch of points.

 

[some dumb guy]

If MLF can solve the Harrison puzzle, this offense will score a bunch of points.

Ooooh, Harry. All the fantastic, informative posts you deliver, and this is all you've got?
Have a cup of coffee and give it another try... LOL

 

[kerouac9]

If MLF can solve the Harrison puzzle, this offense will score a bunch of points.

I really struggle with this.

We were the 7th ranked passing offense last season; 1st in passing attempts. Jacoby attempted over 40 passes a game (not counting sacks).

In a functional offense, there are many more rushing attempts available and fewer passing attempts. A more balanced and effective offense (and less passing-oriented game scripts) probably result in Wilson and McBride having fewer targets, and MHJ being the third or potentially fourth option in the passing game.

 

[iLLmatiC]

At this point I’m hoping Love has an opposite career arc of MHJ. Everyone was so high on the MHJ pick until they weren’t.

 

[GatorAZ]

Zero winning seasons in three years he’s been there.

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Personally, if the Falcons are on there’s only one reason I’m watching.

 

[kerouac9]

Personally, if the Falcons are on there’s only one reason I’m watching.

Congrats

 

[Zalixar]

At this point I’m hoping Love has an opposite career arc of MHJ. Everyone was so high on the MHJ pick until they weren’t.

I would have liked Nabers and was excited for MHJ (I was not high on Odunze), but had absolutely no idea how different they would actually be. MHJ doesn't even have a chihuahua in him

 

[Harry]

Ooooh, Harry. All the fantastic, informative posts you deliver, and this is all you've got?
Have a cup of coffee and give it another try... LOL

Believe me with this addition this offense would be tough to stop even with JB at QB.

 

[Harry]

I really struggle with this.

We were the 7th ranked passing offense last season; 1st in passing attempts. Jacoby attempted over 40 passes a game (not counting sacks).

In a functional offense, there are many more rushing attempts available and fewer passing attempts. A more balanced and effective offense (and less passing-oriented game scripts) probably result in Wilson and McBride having fewer targets, and MHJ being the third or potentially fourth option in the passing game.

I don’t disagree on a diverse offense being needed. I’m thinking Love enhances play action. If so Harrison becomes a better deep threat like he was at OSU. When there he was expert at using the boundary to isolate and at catching the ball over the shoulder. That second of play action hesitation by the CB or S could make for a more effective deep strike option.

 

[kerouac9]

I don’t disagree on a diverse offense being needed. I’m thinking Love enhances play action. If so Harrison becomes a better deep threat like he was at OSU. When there he was expert at using the boundary to isolate and at catching the ball over the shoulder. That second of play action hesitation by the CB or S could make for a more effective deep strike option.

I mean I feel like this was how we tried to use him his rookie year and he couldn’t defeat the jam at the line or catch the ball when he was only seeing 5-8 targets per game.

I agree that’s how it seems like he should be used, but I think he’s better at in- and out-breaking routes that Kyler couldn’t or wouldn’t throw.

 

[some dumb guy]

Believe me with this addition this offense would be tough to stop even with JB at QB.

I'm with you 100%. I'm actually more excited about this upcoming season than I was last year. I have nothing to back it up except my own optimism.

 

[some dumb guy]

I mean I feel like this was how we tried to use him his rookie year and he couldn’t defeat the jam at the line or catch the ball when he was only seeing 5-8 targets per game.

I agree that’s how it seems like he should be used, but I think he’s better at in- and out-breaking routes that Kyler couldn’t or wouldn’t throw.

I agree but MHJ needs to start catching with his hands for him to succeed, especially over the middle. Otherwise, going deep and catching the over the shoulder pass may be his go to route and let MW/McBride run the middle and Love chips and bleeds out to the flat