“Style of Offense…”

[Krangodnzr]

The Daniel Jones effect?

Getting away from an incompetent franchise and being successful, maybe.

 

[kerouac9]

In a recent interview, Benson said that he would be back soon. Unfortunately, in Cardinal lingo, that could mean week 13 lol. And is there any evidence that Trey is any better than our current group of 4th string RB’s? Maybe, maybe not. Someone else stated that we should trade Jonah Williams. Problem is he’s been awful, especially yesterday, so I don’t think he’s worth a warm bucket of spit. But, I would expect there will be changes on that OL against Dallas. Play Beachum or give that kid Frye some reps.

Are you continuing to enjoy the sustained success that has been the fruit of the MOJG partnership?

 

[Mulli]

Are you continuing to enjoy the sustained success that has been the fruit of the MOJG partnership?

I was going to ask you the same question. “Just unlucky”

 

[Cheesebeef]

Kingsbury's main issue was he was unprepared to be a Head Coach, and hampered by a drunken GM. The offense did put up great numbers with Murray.

In the first half of seasons until Murray fell off a cliff in the second half of seasons and then just flat out stunk the entire season before he tore up his knee in the last season.

 

[PACardsFan]

Are you continuing to enjoy the sustained success that has been the fruit of the MOJG partnership?

We have created a significantly deeper bench than any GM/coach tandem in Cardinal history. Any other team since 1964 that incurred as many injuries as we have now would be losing by multiple scores by this point. My disappointment with the coaching staff has been their unwillingness to be more aggressive. The nonsense of saying that all we need to do is win by 1 point has to stop. If we’re up 7, we need to be up 14! BUILDING sustained success isn’t necessarily always enjoyable. It’s only enjoyable once you get there & Injuries have no doubt delayed that goal.

 

[slanidrac16]

They should consider building a good offensive line

No doubt. But Brissett is doing pretty well with this one.

 

[602 Native]

That’s my point. The one “style” everyone thought was tailor-made for Murray, was proven to be a fraud offense by BOTH the coordinator and the QB.
My point is the style of QB play required by the NFL is simply one Murray is incapable of producing, period. No matter the spin you and others attempt to put on this issue. No matter all the excuses aimed at deflecting from this fundamental reality. The facts are crystal clear. To win in the NFL, the QB play needs to look like the play we’ve seen the past two weeks from Brissett, which resembles the type of QB play that has long been tied to success and that, even to this day, remains 100% essential in order to win in the NFL.

I think we are seeing still the limits of K2s ability as a coach. First as a HC now as an OC.

We will see though. We have never seen K1 with a great coach.
In fact I would say the Cards have had few great coaches but didn't look great while here. Even BA looked meh later in his tenure here.

 

[tennis-player]

I think we are seeing still the limits of K2s ability as a coach. First as a HC now as an OC.

We will see though. We have never seen K1 with a great coach.
In fact I would say the Cards have had few great coaches but didn't look great while here. Even BA looked meh later in his tenure here.

So you are saying that Kyler is Joe Montana looking for his Bill Walsh?

 

[602 Native]

So you are saying that Kyler is Joe Montana looking for his Bill Walsh?

You guys always with the hyperbole.

I fully believe that K1 has the ability to go to a Super Bowl just like McNabb, J Gannon, Kapernick, and Goff with a great coach.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think we are seeing still the limits of K2s ability as a coach. First as a HC now as an OC.

We will see though. We have never seen K1 with a great coach.
In fact I would say the Cards have had few great coaches but didn't look great while here. Even BA looked meh later in his tenure here.

Didn't BA go 8-8 with Drew Stanton and Blaine Gabbert starting the last 11 games of his final season here? That was a miracle of coaching with those two guys taking snaps behind center.

 

[tennis-player]

You guys always with the hyperbole.

I fully believe that K1 has the ability to go to a Super Bowl just like McNabb, J Gannon, Kapernick, and Goff with a great coach.

As a Lion fan, I can tell you that Goff, drafted after Kyler, has already accomplished more than Kyler has dreamer of.

 

[DVontel]

As a Lion fan, I can tell you that Goff, drafted after Kyler, has already accomplished more than Kyler has dreamer of.

Goff was not drafted after Kyler.

 

[tennis-player]

Goff was not drafted after Kyler.

Sorry, my mistake. Three years earlier. My point still stands.

 

[tennis-player]

Sorry, my mistake. Three years earlier. My point still stands.

 

[DaHilg]

Imagine thinking great coaches shoe horn a QB into an offense instead of tailoring an offense to your QBs skills.

Go take a look at Lamar and Hurts… it’s been documented in several articles that they created an offense around those quarterbacks do well and the throws they can make… with the personal who can make those type of catches… and also not making them pocket passers.

Imo Lamar has evolved beyond that to become a more well rounded quarterback over the years that can do a lot more than what they originally had schemes for him. Hurts probably has the most physically dominate and aggressive slant WR and deep ball WR in the league in Brown. There’s really not a player like him. He’s DK on extra Roids.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Go take a look at Lamar and Hurts… it’s been documented in several articles that they created an offense around those quarterbacks do well and the throws they can make… with the personal who can make those type of catches… and also not making them pocket passers.

Imo Lamar has evolved beyond that to become a more well rounded quarterback over the years that can do a lot more than what they originally had schemes for him. Hurts probably has the most physically dominate and aggressive slant WR and deep ball WR in the league in Brown. There’s really not a player like him. He’s DK on extra Roids.

Difference is they're willing to hang in the pocket to make a play.

 

[DaHilg]

Difference is they're willing to hang in the pocket to make a play.

No that’s not the difference.. I guess you missed the point. The coaches created an offense to scheme around what they are good at and the throws that they can make. They didn’t try to make these quarterbacks pocket passers. This is documented.

 

[kerouac9]

I think we are seeing still the limits of K2s ability as a coach. First as a HC now as an OC.

The Commies are 10th in points and 14th in yardage despite their QB only
Playing 69% of the snaps (nice) but go off king.

Washington being 3-4 right now is definitely Kliff’s fault not the 27th ranked defense.

 

[82CardsGrad]

No that’s not the difference.. I guess you missed the point. The coaches created an offense to scheme around what they are good at and the throws that they can make. They didn’t try to make these quarterbacks pocket passers. This is documented.

Again, Kliff did this for Kyler. And yes, Kyler was marginally more productive in that system…Of course, teams figured out how to scheme and play against Kyler and the book was closed immediately.
Additionally, both Hurts and Lamar are infinitely tougher than Kyler. They’re bigger, stronger and just tougher.
It remains to be seen how much longer Lamar can play this brand of ball, taking the hits he takes. It’s been great to see Hurts develop his pocket skills and is becoming a legit threat in the pocket. Which he needs to do if he’s interested in an extended career.

 

[Harry]

I fully expect Murray to go somewhere else and be successful at least in spurts.

The shock of being traded often changes a player. We’ve got some great current examples who listen better now. Nothing makes reality clearer than getting the chance to build your fantasy and seeing you were wrong. Reality is a bitch. Getting real world gets things back to athletic abilities. Murray may be moderately successful elsewhere if he’s willing to change. Remember Murray was Kingsbury’s dream QB.

 

[DaHilg]

Again, Kliff did this for Kyler. And yes, Kyler was marginally more productive in that system…Of course, teams figured out how to scheme and play against Kyler and the book was closed immediately.
Additionally, both Hurts and Lamar are infinitely tougher than Kyler. They’re bigger, stronger and just tougher.
It remains to be seen how much longer Lamar can play this brand of ball, taking the hits he takes. It’s been great to see Hurts develop his pocket skills and is becoming a legit threat in the pocket. Which he needs to do if he’s interested in an extended career.

Uh no Kliff didn’t. Kliffs nfl offense mirrored Kliffs college offense. It was extremely predictable. We did not roll kyler out, we rarely ran play action from under the center, we rarely did motion, etc.

Yes - Lamar and Hurts are infinitely tougher. But they are not pocket passers nor did their teams try and make them pocket passers.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Uh no Kliff didn’t. Kliffs nfl offense mirrored Kliffs college offense. It was extremely predictable. We did not roll kyler out, we rarely ran play action from under the center, we rarely did motion, etc.

Yes - Lamar and Hurts are infinitely tougher. But they are not pocket passers nor did their teams try and make them pocket passers.

Kyler ran far more often with Kliff as the coach.
Kyler was rarely under center because HE doesn’t like being under center. Hence, there was and remains to this day, a below league average % of plays with Kyler under center and more importantly, play action calls. Again, Kyler doesn’t like that style of QB play.
Both Hurts and Lamar have been and have only even more so, better in the pocket than Kyler. Of course, they’re also under center more than Kyler, so…

 

[Shane]

I fully expect Murray to go somewhere else and be successful at least in spurts.

So, status quo

 

[DVontel]

I can’t wait for Kyler & the Cardinals go their separate ways for multiple reasons.

One: Kyler is done & obviously need to upgrade the QB position

Two: Not seeing multiple threads about Kyler when there is already an official Kyler thread.

 

[DaHilg]

Kyler ran far more often with Kliff as the coach.
Kyler was rarely under center because HE doesn’t like being under center. Hence, there was and remains to this day, a below league average % of plays with Kyler under center and more importantly, play action calls. Again, Kyler doesn’t like that style of QB play.
Both Hurts and Lamar have been and have only even more so, better in the pocket than Kyler. Of course, they’re also under center more than Kyler, so…

Please find me a quote that Kyler says he doesn’t like playing under center.

Hurts is terrible inaccurate, just because they stand in the pocket doesn’t make them a better pocket passer. Again - it’s documented. Try google for once. The teams schemed around Lamar and Hurts around the throws they can make and what they do well. Period. They didn’t try to make them fit their offense. Period.