“Style of Offense…”

[Harry]

I think we are seeing still the limits of K2s ability as a coach. First as a HC now as an OC.

We will see though. We have never seen K1 with a great coach.
In fact I would say the Cards have had few great coaches but didn't look great while here. Even BA looked meh later in his tenure here.

That’s why they’ll get that first. Coaches with big egos will believe that.

 

[Harry]

So you are saying that Kyler is Joe Montana looking for his Bill Walsh?

In the mind of some coaches

 

[Harry]

Please find me a quote that Kyler says he doesn’t like playing under center.

Hurts is terrible inaccurate, just because they stand in the pocket doesn’t make them a better pocket passer. Again - it’s documented. Try google for once. The teams schemed around Lamar and Hurts around the throws they can make and what they do well. Period. They didn’t try to make them fit their offense. Period.

Murray actually was okay playing under center. The shotgun was Kingsbury’s Air Raid fantasy.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Please find me a quote that Kyler says he doesn’t like playing under center.

Hurts is terrible inaccurate, just because they stand in the pocket doesn’t make them a better pocket passer. Again - it’s documented. Try google for once. The teams schemed around Lamar and Hurts around the throws they can make and what they do well. Period. They didn’t try to make them fit their offense. Period.

LOL… Kyler has never said anything publicly about his distaste for being under center. But it’s known.

And when Hurts became a starter, he put up a putrid 61% completion %. Yet, last season he was at 69% and this year he’s at 70%.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Murray actually was okay playing under center. The shotgun was Kingsbury’s Air Raid fantasy.

So under multiple coaching regimes, Murray has consistently been well below league average in terms of snaps under center and play action plays.
Wonder why that is…

 

[Harry]

So under multiple coaching regimes, Murray has consistently been well below league average in terms of snaps under center and play action plays.
Wonder why that is…

He’s equally effective in both settings.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Hurts is terrible inaccurate, just because they stand in the pocket doesn’t make them a better pocket passer. Again - it’s documented. Try google for once. The teams schemed around Lamar and Hurts around the throws they can make and what they do well. Period. They didn’t try to make them fit their offense. Period.

one of these things is not like the others

one of these things is not the same

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[DaHilg]

LOL… Kyler has never said anything publicly about his distaste for being under center. But it’s known.

And when Hurts became a starter, he put up a putrid 61% completion %. Yet, last season he was at 69% and this year he’s at 70%.

lol - but it’s known.. you’re going with that?

Hurts - it’s because similar to Lamar after seeing what he couldn’t do year 1 they schemed to throws he can make 51 and 61% first to years in the nfl. It really isnt rocket science.. and again it’s documented. Great coaching, don’t try to do what you know your QB can’t do.

Ravens did the same thing with Lamar and his completion % improved dramatically.

 

[82CardsGrad]

He’s equally ineffective in both settings.

FIFY…

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

No that’s not the difference.. I guess you missed the point. The coaches created an offense to scheme around what they are good at and the throws that they can make. They didn’t try to make these quarterbacks pocket passers. This is documented.

What kind of offense do you want him to run? According to Klayton Adams...KM doesn't want to be a running QB, so where does that leave him? You can only do so many roll-outs before teams adjust. The hard truth is, he HAS to be better in the pocket to be successful in this league. How are you supposed to scheme for a QB that doesn’t want to run, but also doesn’t want to stay in the pocket?

 

[HairZach]

lol - but it’s known.. you’re going with that?

Hurts - it’s because similar to Lamar after seeing what he couldn’t do year 1 they schemed to throws he can make 51 and 61% first to years in the nfl. It really isnt rocket science.. and again it’s documented. Great coaching, don’t try to do what you know your QB can’t do.

Ravens did the same thing with Lamar and his completion % improved dramatically.

Height is very overrated in terms of how it impacts a QBs vision, in shotgun. Under center most of the passing plays happen with the QB much closer to the OL. If its not a roll out, short QBs struggle to see the field from under center.

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What John Elway wants in an offense and a quarterback

Comments from John Elway before the 2019 draft.

Under center play is a lot harder for short QBs. I think that is a factor in why he doesnt play under center a lot.

 

[DaHilg]

Height is very overrated in terms of how it impacts a QBs vision, in shotgun. Under center most of the passing plays happen with the QB much closer to the OL. If its not a roll out, short QBs struggle to see the field from under center.

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What John Elway wants in an offense and a quarterback

Comments from John Elway before the 2019 draft.

Under center play is a lot harder for short QBs. I think that is a factor in why he doesnt play under center a lot.

Kyler stats in play action have been good.. under the center straight drop backs w a weak interior line? Doomed for failure. No one said keep him under center, but a good mix is needed to incorporate play action. Again, it’d be interesting if we had ever built a formidable interior line to even see if it somewhat helped the issue. I really hope he’s traded, gone. He can’t win with this organization - he needs a veteran OC and a premiere interior oline to even help overcome his issues.

 

[Proteus]

Kyler stats in play action have been good.. under the center straight drop backs w a weak interior line? Doomed for failure. No one said keep him under center, but a good mix is needed to incorporate play action. Again, it’d be interesting if we had ever built a formidable interior line to even see if it somewhat helped the issue. I really hope he’s traded, gone. He can’t win with this organization - he needs a veteran OC and a premiere interior oline to even help overcome his issues.

What teams have a veteran oc and premier interior oline and would any of them want to trade for Murray?

 

[DaHilg]

What teams have a veteran oc and premier interior oline and would any of them want to trade for Murray?

I’m really not going to break down this list. You can do the research yourself- I’d guess at least 75% of the teams have veteran OCs. Your guess is as good as mine as to how many have good IOL. Would any of them want Murray - sure someone that feels they can fix him, sees the athletic talents or maybe even someone that sees that he’s played for a completely broken organization.

Pretty sure a lot of posters here who didn’t take in the context of Daniel Jones situation in NYG and thought no one wanted him. When in fact at least 2 teams did in the Vikings and the Colts. Colts put him in a situation to thrive… Darnold and Baker same story. So ya I’m sure a few teams out there think this about Kyler as well. You could easily argue Kyler was better than all their failed situations and you could easily argue that Kyler’s organization was equal or worse than the aforementioned QBs. Ultimately time will tell.. we should move on, and he should move on. As I don’t see Arizona or Kyler winning by staying status quo.

 

[Stout]

We have created a significantly deeper bench than any GM/coach tandem in Cardinal history. Any other team since 1964 that incurred as many injuries as we have now would be losing by multiple scores by this point. My disappointment with the coaching staff has been their unwillingness to be more aggressive. The nonsense of saying that all we need to do is win by 1 point has to stop. If we’re up 7, we need to be up 14! BUILDING sustained success isn’t necessarily always enjoyable. It’s only enjoyable once you get there & Injuries have no doubt delayed that goal.

We have had no success to build on. We're not just some coaching decisions away from a successful team. The roster isn't good enough either. Sure, we have more depth. Unfortunately, we don't have the Big Johns, especially at QB and OL, to be successful.

 

[Stout]

You guys always with the hyperbole.

I fully believe that K1 has the ability to go to a Super Bowl just like McNabb, J Gannon, Kapernick, and Goff with a great coach.

The laughing reaction was inadequate.

 

[Stout]

Uh no Kliff didn’t. Kliffs nfl offense mirrored Kliffs college offense. It was extremely predictable. We did not roll kyler out, we rarely ran play action from under the center, we rarely did motion, etc.

Yes - Lamar and Hurts are infinitely better. But they are not pocket passers nor did their teams try and make them pocket passers.

FTFY

Setting all the angst aside, we all know Kyler just isn't good enough and will never be a star. He can be a shaky average QB. If he gets the uber talented team and coach and everything around him is perfect, he can get back to the playoffs. We also all know he is an absolute choke artist, so he is never winning anything significant. It is known.

 

[DaHilg]

FTFY

Setting all the angst aside, we all know Kyler just isn't good enough and will never be a star. He can be a shaky average QB. If he gets the uber talented team and coach and everything around him is perfect, he can get back to the playoffs. We also all know he is an absolute choke artist, so he is never winning anything significant. It is known.

Possibly. But wouldn’t know he’s always had multiple variables to overcome while in Arizona. Would have been a tough situation for any QB.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Imagine thinking great coaches shoe horn a QB into an offense instead of tailoring an offense to your QBs skills.

Oh but the same coaches who the "Stans" said tweaked the offense for Jacoby, don't do that for K1? Beyond ludicrous, I have to wonder if the k1 crew are being real or just want to stir the pot? Or maybe just Kyler cardinal fans?

 

[WisconsinCard]

LOL… Kyler has never said anything publicly about his distaste for being under center. But it’s known.

And when Hurts became a starter, he put up a putrid 61% completion %. Yet, last season he was at 69% and this year he’s at 70%.

But he has. He said he was more comfortable in the shotgun. My opinion is he doesn't like turning his back on the rush. In shot gun he can look at the rush before he starts his reads.

 

[602 Native]

Height is very overrated in terms of how it impacts a QBs vision, in shotgun. Under center most of the passing plays happen with the QB much closer to the OL. If its not a roll out, short QBs struggle to see the field from under center.

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What John Elway wants in an offense and a quarterback

Comments from John Elway before the 2019 draft.

Under center play is a lot harder for short QBs. I think that is a factor in why he doesnt play under center a lot.

What the hell does Elway know in terms of QB play.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Getting away from an incompetent franchise and being successful, maybe.

See Flacco this last week

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Murray actually was okay playing under center. The shotgun was Kingsbury’s Air Raid fantasy.

He should be under center more