“Who would stop this Cardinals offense?”

[kerouac9]

I agree but MHJ needs to start catching with his hands for him to succeed, especially over the middle. Otherwise, going deep and catching the over the shoulder pass may be his go to route and let MW/McBride run the middle and Love chips and bleeds out to the flat

I agree but Harry was saying that LaFleur needs to solve the Harrison puzzle.

I honestly think it’s more likely Harrison requests a trade in the next 12 months than he gets 1000 receiving yards.

 

[some dumb guy]

I agree but Harry was saying that LaFleur needs to solve the Harrison puzzle.

I honestly think it’s more likely Harrison requests a trade in the next 12 months than he gets 1000 receiving yards.

Ironic...lolololol
couldn't resist

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Not sure what koolaid you all are drinking. Who is driving this offense? A 1-11 Jacoby Brissett career back up??

When grandma drives a Porsche on the highway she still goes 5mph under the speed limit.

It’s a shame because I do actually believe in the weapons on this offense and 4/5ths of this offensive line. But we totally botched the QB position this off season

 

[kerouac9]

Not sure what koolaid you all are drinking. Who is driving this offense? A 1-11 Jacoby Brissett career back up??

When grandma drives a Porsche on the highway she still goes 5mph under the speed limit.

It’s a shame because I do actually believe in the weapons on this offense and 4/5ths of this offensive line. But we totally botched the QB position this off season

I don’t really believe the gap between the 22nd- and 40th-best QB is that big. Being a very good NFL QB is really hard and rare. Being a guy who can get carried to six wins by an adequate roster isn’t crazy.

Case Keenum went 10-3.

 

[some dumb guy]

Not sure what koolaid you all are drinking. Who is driving this offense? A 1-11 Jacoby Brissett career back up??

When grandma drives a Porsche on the highway she still goes 5mph under the speed limit.

It’s a shame because I do actually believe in the weapons on this offense and 4/5ths of this offensive line. But we totally botched the QB position this off season

Well, a tank doesn't go all that fast either. But it's loaded with armament...

And Happy Mother's Day Grandma!

 

[Solar7]

I agree but Harry was saying that LaFleur needs to solve the Harrison puzzle.

I honestly think it’s more likely Harrison requests a trade in the next 12 months than he gets 1000 receiving yards.

I'll bet you a $5 bill that MHJ breaks 1000, just off of volume and how many games we play these days, assuming he stays mostly healthy.

Not sure what koolaid you all are drinking. Who is driving this offense? A 1-11 Jacoby Brissett career back up??

When grandma drives a Porsche on the highway she still goes 5mph under the speed limit.

It’s a shame because I do actually believe in the weapons on this offense and 4/5ths of this offensive line. But we totally botched the QB position this off season

I have no idea what you think we could have done at QB this offseason, besides getting Malik Willis at an extreme overpay, and that would have been pretty criticized.

I don't think many other QB-needy teams put themselves in better positions than us, besides maybe the Raiders.

 

[some dumb guy]

I'll bet you a $5 bill that MHJ breaks 1000

I'm tempted to take the over but with the addition of Love, Wilsons growth and connection with JB, McBride...I think he gets 952 and 1/2
And what's Trey McBrides nick? TM, TMc, TMac, TMB, The Big Mac!

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

I'll bet you a $5 bill that MHJ breaks 1000, just off of volume and how many games we play these days, assuming he stays mostly healthy.


I have no idea what you think we could have done at QB this offseason, besides getting Malik Willis at an extreme overpay, and that would have been pretty criticized.

I don't think many other QB-needy teams put themselves in better positions than us, besides maybe the Raiders.

For a team that’s going to have 150 mil in cap space next year- yah getting an upgrade in Malik would have been well worth it- at least it would have made us competitive.

Aaron Rodger’s? There was some interest there but no way monti can land that plane. I’m far from a Rodger’s fan, but the dude won 10 games with the Steelers last year and with a less talented roster offensively.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Oh so he’s a flop?

At this point, I think you talk nonsense to try and get more followers...

 

[Phrazbit]

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LOL. Comments are great.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I guess if you’re a love fan and not a Cardinals fan that would be satisfying.

Gibbs was drafted 12th overall. We should expect more from a guy who was selected nine spots higher?

We should expect OROY honors.

In a less talented draft? Nah.

 

[Chopper0080]

I understand that you have indicated several times that you want the Cards to lose, but do you really also hope that they kill Love in that process? That's wild to me.

Thinking the Cardinals will lose and wanting them to lose are two different things. I have never wanted the Cardinals to lose.

 

[ABR]

love isn’t Gibbs in this scenario; he’s Aidan Hutchinson.

Where has Bijan Robinson lead the Falcons?

Why are running backs seemingly the only position in the league that single-handedly determines team success? I've seen this argument made elsewhere and I just don't get it.

Abdul Carter went 3rd overall last year. He had 4 sacks for the Giants and they went 4-13. Was that a terrible pick? Hell, Maxx Crosby had 10 sacks for the Raiders and they went 3-14. Does that mean a great DE brings no value to a team?

 

[Chopper0080]

Why are running backs seemingly the only position in the league that single-handedly determines team success? I've seen this argument made elsewhere and I just don't get it.

Abdul Carter went 3rd overall last year. He had 4 sacks for the Giants and they went 4-13. Was that a terrible pick? Hell, Maxx Crosby had 10 sacks for the Raiders and they went 3-14. Does that mean a great DE brings no value to a team?

The argument centers around positional value and scarcity. It's been made on this forum multiple times and in multiple threads. The argument is top RBs don't make much of an impact on bad rosters so when coupling that with the low cost of replacement value, the short term nature of their position, and the lack of financial savings, you are better served taking on a little more risk for a much larger potential reward.

This is why convos about wins with top RBs is brought up.

 

[kerouac9]

Why are running backs seemingly the only position in the league that single-handedly determines team success? I've seen this argument made elsewhere and I just don't get it.

Abdul Carter went 3rd overall last year. He had 4 sacks for the Giants and they went 4-13. Was that a terrible pick? Hell, Maxx Crosby had 10 sacks for the Raiders and they went 3-14. Does that mean a great DE brings no value to a team?

Cmon. No one is saying this. Plenty of people are laying primary responsibility for our 1-11 finish at the feet of Jacoby Brissett.

Different positions develop at different rates; maybe Carter will be mediocre, but edges on particular take a year or two.

Running backs famously arrive pretty much ready to go, which is why the standards are different.

The question is whether an RB brings enough marginal value to pay off the investment we’ve made in him. I’m still waiting to hear a convincing argument on that point. I don’t think a top 5 running back is a necessary or sufficient requirement for short- or medium-term success.

I do think Maxx Crosby is extremely overrated. I think pass rusher is a necessary but not sufficient requirement for success.

 

[azgreg]

I am choosing to be cautiously optimistic.

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[Chopper0080]

I am choosing to be cautiously optimistic.

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I am more hopeful for the offense than the defense. Getting back to 10-15 in both yards and points is my hope. AZ was in this range in 2024.

 

[kerouac9]

I am more hopeful for the offense than the defense. Getting back to 10-15 in both yards and points is my hope. AZ was in this range in 2024.

We were 23rd and 19th in points scored and yards gained last year.

I can’t remember the last time a McVay/Shanahan offensive coach was promoted and it didn’t work. I know Bobby Slowik was fired, but i think that was more a failed personnel experiment on whether Stroud could be good if the whole OL was made up of UDFAs.

 

[ABR]

Cmon. No one is saying this. Plenty of people are laying primary responsibility for our 1-11 finish at the feet of Jacoby Brissett.

Different positions develop at different rates; maybe Carter will be mediocre, but edges on particular take a year or two.

Running backs famously arrive pretty much ready to go, which is why the standards are different.

The question is whether an RB brings enough marginal value to pay off the investment we’ve made in him. I’m still waiting to hear a convincing argument on that point. I don’t think a top 5 running back is a necessary or sufficient requirement for short- or medium-term success.

I do think Maxx Crosby is extremely overrated. I think pass rusher is a necessary but not sufficient requirement for success.

My point is, using team success as an indicator for a player's value on the field is pointless, outside of arguably quarterback.

 

[kerouac9]

My point is, using team success as an indicator for a player's value on the field is pointless, outside of arguably quarterback.

Everyone contributes to team success, but the best players make the biggest plays and elevate their teams.

Micah Parsons is a difference maker for the Packers. Chris Jones makes the difference between wins and losses for KC.

You can’t tell me that RB actually matters and then be mad when I show you how Atlanta made literally no change going from Tyler Allgeier to Bijan Robinson.

 

[Gandhi]

Thinking the Cardinals will lose and wanting them to lose are two different things. I have never wanted the Cardinals to lose.

I don’t have time to find the posts, but you can do it yourself. It is in the thread about Nick Rallis being retained where you write several times how you hope Ossenfort (and Rallis) will get fired. That will obviously only happen if they lose.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don’t have time to find the posts, but you can do it yourself. It is in the thread about Nick Rallis being retained where you write several times how you hope Ossenfort (and Rallis) will get fired. That will obviously only happen if they lose.

I said that I think the defense will continue to be bad and I think the team will ultimately be bad. Because of this, My hope is that both Rallis and Monti would be fired when this occurs because they should have been fired when Gannon was fired. None of that is hoping to lose. It's hoping people who are bad at their jobs are held accountable. (and yes, I am aware that Bidwill isn't going to fire Bidwill)

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Nice post - thanks for bringing these facts to the discussion!

I never advocated for deliberately restricting Love's workload - I said I don't see the point of "running him into the ground" or giving him an arbitrary 75% of the workload "just because". I keep using Jahmyr Gibbs' rookie season as an exemplar of a workload that would be completely satisfactory, IF Love shows the same kind of promise that Gibbs did in 2023.

Here are some facts for you:

(a) Self-evidently, every touch a player gets incrementally adds to his injury risk.

(b) 75% of the average team's 465-carry rushing workload, plus around 50 catches, would get Love dangerously close to the "Curse of 370" and 400 total touch RB workload that is well known to result in increased chance of injury, reduced performance, and shortened careers as has been well documented by Football Outsiders' Aaron Schatz.

Ergo, you CAN enhance the likelihood of an RB having success in the future by NOT "running him into the ground".

Oh no, k9 triggered rocket scientist mode in daves

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

love isn’t Gibbs in this scenario; he’s Aidan Hutchinson.

Where has Bijan Robinson lead the Falcons?

Except there was no Aiden Hutchinson. They couldn’t make that magically appear.

 

[kerouac9]

Except there was no Aiden Hutchinson. They couldn’t make that magically appear.

We don’t know that yet.