OT: Deshaun Watson officially wants out of Houston

[Shane]

LOL. Watson right now is where we're hoping Murray will be in two years. Watson in his brief rookie season was better than anything we saw from Murray this year.

You trade for Watson because you want to accelerate your performance curve to where you're a potential Super Bowl contender right now. You have to believe you have the right coaching staff and defense in place to do that, as well as sufficient surrounding personnel, though.

Yup anyone not willing to get DW over KM is smoking a big fat LSD laced bowl....

 

[jf-08]

I would offer K1 and a 3rd for Watson. Houston gets an immediate starter and can build around him. I don't think there is THAT much of a gap between them but DW is definitely better than K1.

 

[Shane]

We have a QBOF. If you want to make a trade, shoot for a #1 CB or top OG. Trading Murray for Watson isn’t much more than a lateral move, or a slight upgrade at best. IMO...

“lateral move”



Wow.....

 

[DVontel]

Watson is clearly about 3 tiers above K1.

Kyler last season isn’t far off where Watson was his 2nd season, though.

But yea, we hope that Kyler in 2 years will be where Watson currently is.

 

[kerouac9]

Watson is clearly about 3 tiers above K1.

Kyler last season isn’t far off where Watson was his 2nd season, though.

But yea, we hope that Kyler in 2 years will be where Watson currently is.

So... Kyler's second season isn't that far off from Watson recovering from ACL surgery? Devastating burn.

 

[DVontel]

So... Kyler's second season isn't that far off from Watson recovering from ACL surgery? Devastating burn.

Sure K9.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I would offer K1 and a 3rd for Watson. Houston gets an immediate starter and can build around him. I don't think there is THAT much of a gap between them but DW is definitely better than K1.

They would say no. They have already stated the price.

It would be k1, another first, 2 seconds, and probably Budda Baker

 

[Chris_Sanders]

The Rams lunacy basically tanked any sort of reasonable swap. If you can get 2 firsts and a young QB for Matt freaking Stafford then they will hold out for a similar deal.

Sorry 2 firsts and a third

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I would offer K1 and a 3rd for Watson. Houston gets an immediate starter and can build around him. I don't think there is THAT much of a gap between them but DW is definitely better than K1.

Exactly. He isn't worth the extra cost it would take to acquire him.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The Rams lunacy basically tanked any sort of reasonable swap. If you can get 2 firsts and a young QB for Matt freaking Stafford then they will hold out for a similar deal.

They probably got a 1st as compensation for Goff's contract. Think Tom Gugliotta...

 

[TJ]

They would say no. They have already stated the price.

It would be k1, another first, 2 seconds, and probably Budda Baker

That's a big hell no from me.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

They probably got a 1st as compensation for Goff's contract. Think Tom Gugliotta...

The point was that the Texans offer seemed outrageous until the Rams validated it.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The point was that the Texans offer seemed outrageous until the Rams validated it.

I don't think Watson is moving at that price.

I think the Stafford deal works out to be about a 1st rounder. The second 1st rounder and Goff's monster contract cancel each other out.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

You will also want to think about how likely it is the Texans want to do a trade with us again.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I don't think Watson is moving at that price.

I think the Stafford deal works out to be about a 1st rounder. The second 1st rounder and Goff's monster contract cancel each other out.

Still has a third attached to it.

You are just making a massive assumption of negative value though on the trade. Just because Saver does ******* trades doesn't mean that other teams do

 

[Chopper0080]

The Rams lunacy basically tanked any sort of reasonable swap. If you can get 2 firsts and a young QB for Matt freaking Stafford then they will hold out for a similar deal.

Sorry 2 firsts and a third

I don't believe this is the case. It is like being in a room of people and having to break a hundred dollar bill. If you have to do it, you just take whatever gets you closest to $100. Kyler Murray is the closest option that gets the Texans to a top 10 starting QB. No amount of future 1st round picks is as good. No combo of Tua or Sam or whatever is as good. The only close option would be the Dolphins including Xavien Howard or the Jets including Quinnen Williams and that is if the Texans like either of those 4 QBs you could take. Those are the only two players on those rosters which remotely move the needle.

The Stafford deal isn't a great gauge because the gap between 33 year old Stafford is not even close to being as big as the gap between Watson and Tua/JimmyG/Darnold/ZWilson/TeddyB/JFields.

 

[GatorAZ]

You will also want to think about how likely it is the Texans want to do a trade with us again.

They should take the best offer. Kyler/1st is a pretty damn good considering their situation. Of course if Watson wasn’t unhappy the Texans never even consider it.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/should-we-trade-watson.115537/

This is an interesting thread to see what the Texans fans think. As expected, they see the Rams deal as validation for an even greater deal for the Texans

Based on the Stafford/Goff deal, we should now easily be able to get three 1st rounders, multiple lower rounders, and a good player.

Or four 1st rounders, a couple other lower rounds, and a good player.

 

[Chopper0080]

They should take the best offer. Kyler/1st is a pretty damn good considering their situation. Of course if Watson wasn’t unhappy the Texans never even consider it.

I don't even think you need the 1st. Kyler Murray would be the closest the Texans could get to a superstar QB and it is not very close.

Here is the thought exercise. How many first round picks would it take for you to trade Kyler Murray for Tua? Sam Darnold? Zach Wilson? Justin Fields? Jimmy G? The answer is essentially his value in a trade.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Still has a third attached to it.

You are just making a massive assumption of negative value though on the trade.

Of course I am. Everyone has called Goff's contract untradeable. It had to have negative value.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/should-we-trade-watson.115537/

This is an interesting thread to see what the Texans fans think. As expected, they see the Rams deal as validation for an even greater deal for the Texans

Do I think Watson if traded gets more than Stafford, of course. I don't think they get what they are asking for though.

 

[Chopper0080]

Still has a third attached to it.

You are just making a massive assumption of negative value though on the trade. Just because Saver does ******* trades doesn't mean that other teams do

I also think you can make a massive assumption of the positive value of Kyler's contract.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I also think you can make a massive assumption of the positive value of Kyler's contract.

I would count it as 2 firsts and a second. Texans will still want 2 more firsts and another second.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Or some combo of players worth those picks. Like say Murray, Simmons, a first, and a second

 

[Chopper0080]

I would count it as 2 firsts and a second. Texans will still want 2 more firsts and another second.

Just to be clear...you would trade Kyler Murray for 2 firsts and a second?

I don't even care for Kyler Murray that much and he is borderline untradeable for me.