Shams: Suns trade for Miles Bridges

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BIM

*compeat

Wutchou talkin’bout Willis?

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Wutchou talkin’bout Willis?

koa will *compeat for minutes this year

 

[Hoop Head]

I didn't like the trade, don't like Bridges as the player or person, but I won't rehash that all year and hope to be proven wrong.

 

[AzStevenCal]

koa will *compeat for minutes this year

I think he's physically ready but I don't know how many minutes we'll have for him. I'd have been fine even starting him as as rookie at the 4 although obviouly there'd be growing pains. But Bridges is the better player right now and Fleming needs minutes too so I don't how much compeating he'll get to do.

 

[Superbone]

koa will *compeat for minutes this year

What is BIM?

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

What is BIM?

BIM (@Brian in Mesa ) is the spelling grammar corrector - BIM somehow turned into a word meaning correction

 

[Brian in Mesa]

BIM (@Brian in Mesa ) is the spelling grammar corrector - BIM somehow turned into a word meaning correction

Man, that guy is obnoxious.

 

[Mainstreet]

The talent discrepancy is pretty huge there, IMO. On a scale of 1-5 with 1 being the best, I'd rate Bridges at a 2 and Sochan at a 4. I'm very curious to see what we look like with Bridges in the starting lineup and I really hope he can get his personal life together and be a better man and father for his children.

I also hope Steve is right that Peat is ready to compete in year one at the NBA level.

Yeah, but on a veteran minimum salary, Sochan is a pretty sweet deal.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think it's a gross overpayment either. But I still don't know why we went after Miles, considering his offseason issues, while drafting a very similar styled player. It would make sense if Peat were a raw project but he knows the game and physically he's ready. I expect Miles to be the better PF for us out of the gate but I don't think what we gain is worth what we lost unless there really was no market for Royce and Allen.

But if we can make this deep roster work while still developing KM, Fleming, Peat and whoever then great. I'm not sure how Ott will make that happen but I'm looking forward to watching how it plays out.

I don't think there was a market for Allen and O'Neale without sweeteners being attached. And that is what the Suns did.

And they likely will not be expiring contracts until 2027-28.

 

[Superbone]

Yeah, but on a veteran minimum salary, Sochan is a pretty sweet deal.

It's not my money. I want the better player. The better team.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's not my money. I want the better player. The better team.

Let's try is this way. Pretend you are a kid again and want to buy some candy. You want the most bang for your buck.

 

[Superbone]

Let's try is this way. Pretend you are a kid again and want to buy some candy. You want the most bang for your buck.

Well, as an adult, I'm willing to spend extra for quality rather than paying less for a bunch of cheap items.

 

[Mainstreet]

Well, as an adult, I'm willing to spend extra for quality rather than paying less for a bunch of cheap items.

Price is not always an indicator of quality.

Sometimes you can get the good stuff cheaper and it's of equal or better quality.

 

[Phrazbit]

I don't think it's a gross overpayment either. But I still don't know why we went after Miles, considering his offseason issues, while drafting a very similar styled player. It would make sense if Peat were a raw project but he knows the game and physically he's ready. I expect Miles to be the better PF for us out of the gate but I don't think what we gain is worth what we lost unless there really was no market for Royce and Allen.

But if we can make this deep roster work while still developing KM, Fleming, Peat and whoever then great. I'm not sure how Ott will make that happen but I'm looking forward to watching how it plays out.

It's really hard to evaluate, those were the salaries we needed to make it work. Ishbia has been intent on getting Bridges for years (I passion I suspect he would lack entirely if not for the Michigan State connection), and we've seen that when Ishbia wants something he doesn't bother with negotiation.

I expect the Hornets to move one or both of them during the season and we're going to be really annoyed by the value they extract, especially if Allen has a bounce back year with his health. Healthy Allen is worth considerably more than Bridges.

 

[nashman]

It's really hard to evaluate, those were the salaries we needed to make it work. Ishbia has been intent on getting Bridges for years (I passion I suspect he would lack entirely if not for the Michigan State connection), and we've seen that when Ishbia wants something he doesn't bother with negotiation.

I expect the Hornets to move one or both of them during the season and we're going to be really annoyed by the value they extract, especially if Allen has a bounce back year with his health. Healthy Allen is worth considerably more than Bridges.

I like Allen but man he just couldn’t stay on the floor this last season. Were we supposed to just hope his health improved he’s not getting any younger. Curious to see how it plays out. Royce just became annoying with his play defense and streaky shooting. Hopefully we are a little more physical and still got some shooters. I like Ishbia at least trying things and not just satisfied or standing pat with what we had, have to attempt to get better in the NBA especially the west.

 

[Superbone]

Price is not always an indicator of quality.

Sometimes you can get the good stuff cheaper and it's of equal or better quality.

And sometimes you get what you pay for.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think it's their style to double down. Look at Maluach and Williams. Seems like they are trying to take two shots at a weakness. Get one veteran guy, and throw in a rookie. They have done it twice now. It can't be just a coincidence. Seems like their strategy.

Rookies are unpredictable.

 

[Phrazbit]

I like Allen but man he just couldn’t stay on the floor this last season. Were we supposed to just hope his health improved he’s not getting any younger. Curious to see how it plays out. Royce just became annoying with his play defense and streaky shooting. Hopefully we are a little more physical and still got some shooters. I like Ishbia at least trying things and not just satisfied or standing pat with what we had, have to attempt to get better in the NBA especially the west.

You're right, he couldn't stay healthy, which I brought up.

But healthy Allen is a better player than Bridges and Allen's health problems were a bunch of little things (granted, sometimes that builds) but it's not like he blew out his knee. I would not be at all surprised if he plays over 70 games next year.

Ishbia made a lot of really really stupid moves early on, over the last year it seemed like he learned some. This trade, IMO, is an echo of his previous stupidity. Bidding against ourselves, paying out the nose for a guy Ishbia is fixated on because he really wants to make a splash.

Once we inevitably give Bridges a bad extension, he will become the least tradable asset of every single single part of that exchange.

 

[Yuma]

Let's try is this way. Pretend you are a kid again and want to buy some candy. You want the most bang for your buck.

Pretend you watch Nascar, you want the best racecar your team can buy, not some bargain Kia Rio because it's a good value!

 

[Hoop Head]

Pretend you watch Nascar, you want the best racecar your team can buy, not some bargain Kia Rio because it's a good value!

Yeah but we have a 2.3 Liter 4 cylinder Mustang when we paid for the 5.0 V8.

 

[Mainstreet]

And sometimes you get what you pay for.

Buy low, sell high.

 

[Mainstreet]

Pretend you watch Nascar, you want the best racecar your team can buy, not some bargain Kia Rio because it's a good value!

There’s a big difference between being frugal and buying trouble at a discount.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You're right, he couldn't stay healthy, which I brought up.

But healthy Allen is a better player than Bridges and Allen's health problems were a bunch of little things (granted, sometimes that builds) but it's not like he blew out his knee. I would not be at all surprised if he plays over 70 games next year.

Ishbia made a lot of really really stupid moves early on, over the last year it seemed like he learned some. This trade, IMO, is an echo of his previous stupidity. Bidding against ourselves, paying out the nose for a guy Ishbia is fixated on because he really wants to make a splash.

Once we inevitably give Bridges a bad extension, he will become the least tradable asset of every single single part of that exchange.

I disagree that a healthy Allen is a better player than a healthy Bridges.

 

[GatorAZ]

Both guys are from the 2018 draft are basically even if the analytics. Allen has played 4,000 less minutes but has a slightly higher WS/48.
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