Shams: Suns trade for Miles Bridges

[taz02]

Trying to avoid or not support a business that employs a convicted criminal would be a difficult task. All I'm saying is people can and do turn their lives around.

Mark Wahlberg​

Mark Wahlberg is an upstanding member of society now, but he definitely had a rough time growing up. Addicted to cocaine at 13, and involved in a civil suit regarding hate crimes committed by Wahlberg at 15, it was no surprise when he was charged with the attempted murder and assault of two Vietnamese men at age 16.
He attacked Thahn Lam first, knocking him unconscious with a large wooden stick while screaming, "Vietnam f*cking sh*t!" Later that day, he attacked Hoa "Johnny" Trihn by punching him in the face. He was sentenced to two years in prison, but only served 45 days due to overcrowding.
In 2014, Wahlberg began trying to get the attacks expunged from his record, claiming that he is a different man now, and would like to be pardoned for his crimes.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Of course. Then it would become personal. I guess I can compartmentalize.

I’ve been thinking about this response. And I’ll admit made my heart drop. I think this attitude pervades our society and it’s why so much bad is allowed to happen. If it doesn’t impact people personally they just don’t care enough. We’ve lost the ability to empathize. And it makes me sad.

 

[Adrian]

Hoping for the best

 

[Mainstreet]

I’ve been thinking about this response. And I’ll admit made my heart drop. I think this attitude pervades our society and it’s why so much bad is allowed to happen. If it doesn’t impact people personally they just don’t care enough. We’ve lost the ability to empathize. And it makes me sad.

If anything, I care too much, not that you would understand.

 

[Adrian]

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[Yuma]

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Still, I'm going to miss those pump fake threes!

 

[leclerc]

So Royce was our PF last year? What a great piece of internet publishing.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

So Royce was our PF last year? What a great piece of internet publishing.

i think he's listed as a pf in charlotte too - they had grayson as a sf

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If anything, I care too much, not that you would understand.

I’d like to understand.

 

[PHI PHX PHAN]

I think that the court of public opinion (especially when it pertains to celebs & athletes) tends to be hypocritical more often than not.
They tend to conflate money & fame with maturity in a lot of cases; due to being subconsciously enviable of the perceived lifestyle of said person being held under the microscope.
Generally speaking, I believe when you give millions of dollars to anyone who hasn't fully matured mentally that a lot of bad/immature decisions likely will be made. Hell...even if you randomly gave that kind of money & fame to someone beyond that point you could expect it.
That afforded lifestyle also tends to change the people around you and how they treat you.
It is also used as leverage in a lot of instances. I have witnessed it on numerous occasions with way less financial security/assets at play.

I say all of this to say that there is a lot of nuance that can and will be dismissed on both sides of the debate.
I personally won't condemn him forever because I am not privy to all the factors that influenced his decisions (especially at that age).
I do believe in reclamation and I trust that the organization did their due diligence on the matter.

 

[TJ]

I think that the court of public opinion (especially when it pertains to celebs & athletes) tends to be hypocritical more often than not.
They tend to conflate money & fame with maturity in a lot of cases; due to being subconsciously enviable of the perceived lifestyle of said person being held under the microscope.
Generally speaking, I believe when you give millions of dollars to anyone who hasn't fully matured mentally that a lot of bad/immature decisions likely will be made. Hell...even if you randomly gave that kind of money & fame to someone beyond that point you could expect it.
That afforded lifestyle also tends to change the people around you and how they treat you.
It is also used as leverage in a lot of instances. I have witnessed it on numerous occasions with way less financial security/assets at play.

I say all of this to say that there is a lot of nuance that can and will be dismissed on both sides of the debate.
I personally won't condemn him forever because I am not privy to all the factors that influenced his decisions (especially at that age).
I do believe in reclamation and I trust that the organization did their due diligence on the matter.

The dude pummeled his ex-partner in front of her kids. Doesnt matter the factors that went into it. There are always better choices than DV. The power of walking away is not strong in many men, particularly athletes.

To your other point, I also believe in reclamation. I do hope that Miles has gotten the requisite help to manage his emotions. It’s up to him to show that hes a changed man

 

[JCSunsfan]

The dude pummeled his ex-partner in front of her kids. Doesnt matter the factors that went into it. There are always better choices than DV. The power of walking away is not strong in many men, particularly athletes.

To your other point, I also believe in reclamation. I do hope that Miles has gotten the requisite help to manage his emotions. It’s up to him to show that hes a changed man

The public facts are out there, and he did what he did. But he also has a restraining order against this woman who at some point was stalking him. Sometimes people won’t let you walk away. I am not sure of what happened here, and I am sure that he did wrong. But I also know that there is a lot I do not know. The league and the teams had to do their investigations and so did the police. There are judges and juries for this who know all the facts.

I had made up my mind about what a horrible person Johnny Depp was and how Amber heard was abused, before I watched the trial and heard the testimony.

This whole thing bothers me a lot, but I am working hard to reserve my judgment. I think I am just going to have to trust the police authorities, court system, Hornets, and Suns, that they have done their jobs and that the punishment meted out was appropriate and it’s time to move on. We live in a day where we distrust these institutions, believing that their self-interest outweighs their judgment. But sometimes you just have to trust the people who have more facts than you do.

Could it happen again? Yes. Of course. But hasn’t yet. If it does, he should not be coddled in any way. Full and appropriate consequences should be brought to bear.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

nobody here condones domestic violence - we're not the ones who have to put out a mission statement regarding miles bridges

i didn't want miles - im not going to stick up for or defend him - i'm gonna keep it what it is

if you put your hands on a woman like that you're forever f***ed - as it should be - his rep was ruined - he was suspended and missed out on who knows how much money - crazy money

that's what you get - that and a ish ton of anger management - i saw the pics and i'm shocked he didn't get jail time - but who am i to judge?

that's where it gets tricky right? we as fans have the right and in some cases the responsibility to let ownership know what does and doesn't go

if ish had traded for miles bridges during the suspension - fresh off the ass whooping - before demonstrating (not just saying) he could get his life in order - you would have saw a much different hippie

the dude beat his wife infront of his kids - that will never change and it forever be out there

he now has to change and become an example to his kids - if playing in phoenix helps him do that and if he helps phoenix at the same time - that's what it is

he'll obviously stay under a microscope long after his probation ends - and deservedly so - i'm not compartmentalizing - i'm not justifying or condoning - and i'm not comparing pink pu$$y hats either

if trading quality character for violent offenders bothers you - that's good - it means you have your priorities in order - no "buts" at the end of this here paragraph

good morning asfn

 

[Mainstreet]

I’d like to understand.

If we couldn’t forgive mistakes, none of us would be here to talk about it.

I believe in second chances unless the crime destroys us all. IMO, there are such acts, but there is no clear-cut universal rule.

It's all right to feel uncomfortable.

 

[Superbone]

Here's a measured take on the signing:

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The author lands in a similar spot to where I stand on the issue.

 

[leclerc]

Royce O'Neale is not a power forward. Basketball reference says small forward. I can agree with that. Can Royce post up? Defend other 4s? Does he rebound inside? He is still a wing/SF when his coach plays 4 smalls and a big. He is one of the smalls. He's 6'6" but plays small/er if you ask me. Brooks is more of a PF than O'Neale.

 

[Superbone]

Royce O'Neale is not a power forward. Basketball reference says small forward. I can agree with that. Can Royce post up? Defend other 4s? Does he rebound inside? He is still a wing/SF when his coach plays 4 smalls and a big. He is one of the smalls. He's 6'6" but plays small/er if you ask me. Brooks is more of a PF than O'Neale.

In my mind, that's the distinction that needs to be made. Does a basketball lineup always consist of a PG, SG, SF, PF, and C? In that's the case, he was often our PF. Otherwise, we played a lot of four smalls and a big lineups. Even some all smalls and mediums lineups.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

In my mind, that's the distinction that needs to be made. Does a basketball lineup always consist of a PG, SG, SF, PF, and C? In that's the case, he was often our PF. Otherwise, we played a lot of four smalls and a big lineups. Even some all smalls and mediums lineups.

i love not knowing who ott's going to play or when - more flavor combinations than skittles - idk which color skittle is heart and which color is size but he definitely likes the heart ones more

 

[Yuma]

Royce O'Neale is not a power forward. Basketball reference says small forward. I can agree with that. Can Royce post up? Defend other 4s? Does he rebound inside? He is still a wing/SF when his coach plays 4 smalls and a big. He is one of the smalls. He's 6'6" but plays small/er if you ask me. Brooks is more of a PF than O'Neale.

He's not a PF, but when our starting lineups were announced, most the time he was listed at PF:

AI even backs this up: "Yes, the Suns did list Royce O'Neale as a power forward in their starting lineups throughout much of last season. Despite being undersized for the position, the team relied on him as their primary starter at the 'four' (power forward) due to his floor-spacing and veteran versatility.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If we couldn’t forgive mistakes, none of us would be here to talk about it.

I believe in second chances unless the crime destroys us all. IMO, there are such acts, but there is no clear-cut universal rule.

It's all right to feel uncomfortable.

I know this is going to come off as an attack, but using a word like “mistake” when someone knowing assaults a woman, well, that minimizes what he did. That’s what I feel a lot of people do when they are “uncomfortable.” They use verbiage to alleviate their own discomfort by minimizing - whether knowingly or subconsciously- the offense. I’m just not cool with that. And, as I’ve said, he’s gotten his second chance - he’s not in jail. Doesn’t mean he should be wealthy beyond all imagination - and make no mistake, the minimization of what he did allows the nba to pay him ungodly amount of money.

 

[Mainstreet]

I know this is going to come off as an attack, but using a word like “mistake” when someone knowing assaults a woman, well, that minimizes what he did. That’s what I feel a lot of people do when they are “uncomfortable.” They use verbiage to alleviate their own discomfort by minimizing - whether knowingly or subconsciously- the offense. I’m just not cool with that. And, as I’ve said, he’s gotten his second chance - he’s not in jail. Doesn’t mean he should be wealthy beyond all imagination - and make no mistake, the minimization of what he did allows the nba to pay him ungodly amount of money.

Calling it a "mistake" wasn't meant to erase the violence, but to acknowledge it as a singular, catastrophic error in an otherwise clean record, at least in regard to conviction. However, I understand why that word feels insufficient to some (victims of domestic violence).

But when is enough, enough? That's why we have the criminal justice system. We do agree there are some crimes so horrific it may be impossible to forgive. I'm not sure if this is one of them. I suspect we all have drawn different lines in the sand though.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Calling it a "mistake" wasn't meant to erase the violence, but to acknowledge it as a singular, catastrophic error in an otherwise clean record, at least in regard to conviction. However, I understand why that word feels insufficient to some (victims of domestic violence).

But when is enough, enough? That's why we have the criminal justice system. We do agree there are some crimes so horrific it may be impossible to forgive. I'm not sure if this is one of them. I suspect we all have drawn different lines in the sand though.

We’ve both made our thoughts known here. It is what it is. I hope he’s done work on himself and is a changed individual.

 

[oaken1]

I think that the court of public opinion (especially when it pertains to celebs & athletes) tends to be hypocritical more often than not.
They tend to conflate money & fame with maturity in a lot of cases; due to being subconsciously enviable of the perceived lifestyle of said person being held under the microscope.
Generally speaking, I believe when you give millions of dollars to anyone who hasn't fully matured mentally that a lot of bad/immature decisions likely will be made. Hell...even if you randomly gave that kind of money & fame to someone beyond that point you could expect it.
That afforded lifestyle also tends to change the people around you and how they treat you.
It is also used as leverage in a lot of instances. I have witnessed it on numerous occasions with way less financial security/assets at play.

I say all of this to say that there is a lot of nuance that can and will be dismissed on both sides of the debate.
I personally won't condemn him forever because I am not privy to all the factors that influenced his decisions (especially at that age).
I do believe in reclamation and I trust that the organization did their due diligence on the matter.

good take...we all make mistakes..and we all deserve an opportunity to show that isnt the end product in who we are as humans.
I tend to work on a three strikes policy in most things in life. Hit that third strike and im just done with you...
doesnt mean I will go out of my way to discredit or work against someone...more, I just wont bother expending any energy trying to find any value in them as humans...

I tend to care less when it comes to entertainers...people put value in them but to me there is none past their ability to amuse me for a short period of time...and athletes are just entertainers when its all said and done.

you also tend to find that most of these situations were very predictable...its not usually a case where a guy was a model husband and father and suddenly went chaotic on someone...there is usually an underlying attitude and lifestyle that exists.....so folks should know to just stay away...some may call it victim blaming, and it may be to some point...but an intelligent person avoids situations that will put them in danger they are not prepared to handle...so it falls back on,...you cant save people from themselves.

 

[oaken1]

We’ve both made our thoughts known here. It is what it is. I hope he’s done work on himself and is a changed individual.

thats about the best we can hope for right?? that history does not rpeat.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I know this is going to come off as an attack, but using a word like “mistake” when someone knowing assaults a woman, well, that minimizes what he did. That’s what I feel a lot of people do when they are “uncomfortable.” They use verbiage to alleviate their own discomfort by minimizing - whether knowingly or subconsciously- the offense. I’m just not cool with that. And, as I’ve said, he’s gotten his second chance - he’s not in jail. Doesn’t mean he should be wealthy beyond all imagination - and make no mistake, the minimization of what he did allows the nba to pay him ungodly amount of money.

Crime. Sin. Wrong. Better words depending on your own personal context. “Mistake” tends to sound like a simple error in judgment. This choice obviously goes beyond that. The Brightside article posted earlier was pretty good.