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It's a huge reach to describe the brand-new #30 pick in the draft as being part of the "core."
They're listing 2nd rounders that didn't see much playing time also. At least on a 1st round deal he's guaranteed salary for 2 years.
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Ok...something is going on. I've never seen so many pieces fall into place like this.
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I hate this Mark Williams contract. This dude is not going to stay in the league for 3 years with his injury issues.
I really hope we ship him out at the deadline.
I really hope we ship him out at the deadline.
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The Suns are working with precision.
They knew what they wanted and went out and got it.
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What are you talking about?
All these resigning's mean, is the players like playing here.
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I'm talking about the resigning players. Seems like they're all signing for decent team friendly deals.
Seems like a good thing if they like playing here.
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That's one view. Maybe the Suns know how to manage his playing time.
And yeah, maybe he will get shipped. This deal makes that possible. It's a pretty fair deal.
I'm used to seeing teams waaaay overpay and then they have to attach assets to move the player.
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Well, I don't agree on Mark Williams. I don't think anyone else would have paid him that, and if they would have we should have let them have him.
13 million a year for an unreliable backup is not a smart move. Yes - he should be Maluach's backup.
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I wouldn't call him unreliable. I think we can rely on him for 60ish games. That's what he is. Maybe that's the plan. Backup Maluach in a year or 2. Not a bad salary for a backup of his skills. He's a pretty good player man!
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He played 60 games last year.
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11.7 year 1
12.636 year 2
13.64 year 3
Mark was 8th among centers in PER in the league last year. He was behind Jokic, Duren, Embiid, Williams III, Jarrett Allen, KAT, and Jonas V. The average number of games played last year by that group is 61.
He had a pretty normal year for an NBA center health wise.
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It's a big risk discount deal, otherwise MW would be good for 25m per y, double the amount he got here. With this, Suns will use MW carefully during the season, to optimize the chances of him sufficiently healthy for the playoffs. When healthy he is top 10 center.
A great deal for Suns.
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The Suns will be paying only $28.3 million combined next season for three key rotation pieces they re-signed:
Mark Williams: $11.7 million
Collin Gillespie: $10.7 million
Jordan Goodwin: $5.9 million
Good business from Phoenix.
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The Suns will be paying only $28.3 million combined next season for three key rotation pieces they re-signed:
Mark Williams: $11.7 million
Collin Gillespie: $10.7 million
Jordan Goodwin: $5.9 million
Good business from Phoenix.
There are no durable players anymore. No matter who it is, you're figuring on maybe 60 games a season, and anything above that is a bonus.
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Suns not even close to the second apron after signingt Mark Williams for those concerned. About $7.5 under it as of now. They will NOT go into the second apron.
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Suns not even close to the second apron after signingt Mark Williams for those concerned. About $7.5 under it as of now. They will NOT go into the second apron.
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If Mark Williams' new contract with the Phoenix Suns follows the standard 8% raise structure, it will look like this:
26-27: $11.7M
27-28: $12.7M
28-29: $13.6M
Phoenix projects to be $5.1M under their second-apron hard cap. The Suns currently have all 15 standard roster spots filled.
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If Mark Williams' new contract with the Phoenix Suns follows the standard 8% raise structure, it will look like this:
26-27: $11.7M
27-28: $12.7M
28-29: $13.6M
Phoenix projects to be $5.1M under their second-apron hard cap. The Suns currently have all 15 standard roster spots filled.
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We literally saw last season that no matter what their time management plan was, it failed. Just like every other season of his career.
Believing that’s going to just change for… reasons… well, I just don’t get it.
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I think it's a lack of good options. Gambling on injury prone players rarely pays off but I'd still take 60 games of Williams over 82 games of a Nick Richards level player. And I doubt we can attract/afford anyone better than Richards let alone as good as Williams.
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That's really about the size of it, though... making the best of a bad situation doesn't make it any less a bad situation.
Anyone trying to hopium their way out of the reality that the Suns are screwed six ways to Sunday for the next 4 to 5 years because they both traded away all of their meaningful draft capital AND they leveraged themselves up against salary cap restrictions with a few really bad trades, is fighting a losing battle. That's all going to catch up with the Suns eventually - maybe or maybe not next year, but very certainly soon after.
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Lack of good options shouldn’t mean you take a BAD option.
This feels like the Hakeem Warrick, Josh Childress, Hedo Turkolgu, re-sign Chandler Frye summer where we signed a bunch of average players to 3 and 4 year deals that cumulatively would help do nothing to raise the the ceiling of the team, but keep us at the ceiling of the cap regardless.
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Comparing Mark Williams to Hakim Warrick.
Some people would just rather see the world burn.
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If Rasheer Fleming doesn't start, I will be disappointed.
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Except I didn’t do that. I’m Not saying it’s one to one. He could be the Channing Frye or Hedo Turkoglu of this offseasons “all in” on the mediocre team express train we’re putting together.
I just don’t understand loading up almost to the second apron by signing role players to long term deals for a team that barely made the playoffs, but especially in Williams’ case where we have a young promising big who needs court time AND is cheap and so far can actually be depended on to stay on the court.
And you know what? Literally no one here was talking about a three year guaranteed 38 million dollar deal. People were thinking maybe a one year deal, two years Max. But it looks like we’re back in the period of whatever move the Suns make, some people will immediately backtrack on whatever they said just two minutes prior and then support and then attack whoever thinks different.
And none of those deals happen in a vacuum. When you separate them out, the Goody deal is solid. Colin’s fine, and the Williams deal just plain sucks, IMO. But all of them together and locking in a perennial 8 seed close to the second apron just seems like masturbating with a cheese grater. Sure, you might get off at the end of the day, but it’s gonna be pretty painful to do so and the aftermath could sting for years.
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