Jacoby Brissett or Gardner Minshew? It doesn't really matter for Cardinals

[cardpa]

That negotiation is over. If he brings it to camp he must go. The Cards’ margin of effort is precariously small. I’m not saying no one has ever carried this sort of protest into camp. I am saying he has no leverage. If he fails to understand that the Cards must cut him loose. They have to have absolute loyalty at this point.

Surely you can't be serious, Oh you are serious and I'm going to call you Shirley.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

He did?

We have no idea.

Lots of people projecting based on little or no information.

He, acting as his own agent, agreed to this crappy contract. We do know that.

Actual agents should be pointing to this and saying "This is what you pay me to prevent"

 

[Brian in Mesa]

He did?

We have no idea.

Lots of people projecting based on little or no information.

He signed it. If he had any issues, that would have been the time to state your concerns. Maybe an agent would have spoken up for him, but...

 

[kerouac9]

He, acting as his own agent, agreed to this crappy contract. We do know that.

Actual agents should be pointing to this and saying "This is what you pay me to prevent"

He signed it. If he had any issues, that would have been the time to state your concerns. Maybe an agent would have spoken up for him, but...

You’re mad so you’re engaging in some crazy speculation. Anyone who was saying 12 months ago that Kyler would be cut, Michael would be paying him $30+ million to stay away, and Jacoby Brissett would be the nominal starter ahead of a third round QB would be locked up.

How much in starter incentives do Justin Fields or Gardner Minshew have in their contracts? How much did Mack Jones have?

They must be their own agents, also.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

You’re mad so you’re engaging in some crazy speculation. Anyone who was saying 12 months ago that Kyler would be cut, Michael would be paying him $30+ million to stay away, and Jacoby Brissett would be the nominal starter ahead of a third round QB would be locked up.

How much in starter incentives do Justin Fields or Gardner Minshew have in their contracts? How much did Mack Jones have?

They must be their own agents, also.

Well, Brissett has starter incentives. He gets $1 million if he plays in 50% of our games and $2 million if he plays in 65% of our games. Are those the type of incentives you are speaking about?

 

[Chopper0080]

That negotiation is over. If he brings it to camp he must go. The Cards’ margin of effort is precariously small. I’m not saying no one has ever carried this sort of protest into camp. I am saying he has no leverage. If he fails to understand that the Cards must cut him loose. They have to have absolute loyalty at this point.

There is a business aspect to this. Again, it's a silly thing for the Cardinals to get worked up about IMO. Players do "hold ins" often when negotiating. It's not generally viewed as a distraction. I am sure they may get to a point where they could decide to cut him, but his negotiation position is essentially Minshew or Beck looking bad or getting hurt. He doesn't have to rush any of that.

There are also narratives about Michael Wilson in a contract year, MHJ needing to look like he deserved being picked #4, and supporting your 1st year HC which tend to look worse on Monti than Brissett. IMO, if the Cardinals clearly viewed Minshew as the better option to Brissett, Brissett wouldn't still be on the roster.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

You’re mad so you’re engaging in some crazy speculation.

I am not mad about anything. I actually feel sorry for the guy.

 

[Chopper0080]

He put in the low salary 2nd year. You are correct that his contract is very silly as he didn't protect himself from himself.

I don't think Brissett was counting on Kyler getting cut. I don't think he was counting on the HC being fired and the GM staying. I don't think he was counting on being retained by a new staff. Ultimately, I think Brissett is fine with getting cut and getting paid to be a backup elsewhere. If the Cards want him to start, they need to pay him or just let him go.

I don't see him as having zero leverage like people on here are saying.

 

[Harry]

Surely you can't be serious, Oh you are serious and I'm going to call you Shirley.

I loved Airplane too

 

[Harry]

This type of contract is very common in baseball. The second year is viewed as an option and the team pays a smaller amount as a penalty for not picking up the option.

 

[Garthshort]

Bottom line for me, Jacoby's contract shows why approximately 99% of the players use agents to negotiate their contracts.

 

[Chopper0080]

Bottom line for me, Jacoby's contract shows why approximately 99% of the players use agents to negotiate their contracts.

I don't think it is a bad deal. No 32 year old vet gets a contract that has contingencies if they are the starter in year 2 because the 45 mil per year QB gets cut.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

typical sports agent rakes in 10%