Passengers

[Brian in Mesa]

Sorry, I meant the same order of it happening, just that we don't see Pratt doing his thing for awhile. More that she opens up and does her thing (Pratt absent, then appearing) as if he's surprised (like the audience).

Then she finds audio/video logs/journals, eventual monologues or whatever, etc about his experiences, etc, revealing darker motivations.

The current way was okay, but it just didn't hit well, I'm sure it could still work that way too.

Trailers would probably ruin it anyway.

Oh yeah, I totally get where you were coming from. Probably makes it a more dramatic movie with a reveal like that, etc.

I was just wondering out loud if a character swap would have appeared less rapey. Like a woman needed a man to help her or make her feel safe, etc.

In the end I think it is all moot because she has a chance to go back into the medical pod and sleep and rejoin the rest of the colony when they wake up, but she chooses to stay with Pratt's character and live a full life with him in the remaining years before everyone else wakes up.

 

[Zalixar]

Oh yeah, I totally get where you were coming from. Probably makes it a more dramatic movie with a reveal like that, etc.

I was just wondering out loud if a character swap would have appeared less rapey. Like a woman needed a man to help her or make her feel safe, etc.

In the end I think it is all moot because she has a chance to go back into the medical pod and sleep and rejoin the rest of the colony when they wake up, but she chooses to stay with Pratt's character and live a full life with him in the remaining years before everyone else wakes up.

She chooses, yes, but goes without being said that's what the writers chose for her. That is part of the issue as it rewarded his actions and that was a highly toxic relationship. Mediocre ending as well, as it seemed like the the movie's drama was somewhat pointless. I didn't hate it. But was underwhelmed. I guess Stockholm wins again?

If we were to reverse the roles, it would have to intentionally be written in a completely different way to show that.

Women SA/advances isn't taken as seriously and/or even welcomed has hot, so it would have to be heavy handed or fall flat (or not regarded as rapey as all, cause it's just a woman, right?)

Or it's just regular, but the stakes wouldn't be the same. Perhaps it could be more interesting (or boring), but I'd have to see it played out.

 

[Mainstreet]

Sure, it's a measure in extremes. I'd wake someone up, no doubt. Probably a bunch of people. What I wouldn't do is wake a chick up because she's hot, cool, and I could groom her for sex.

Since you are looking at it personally, I don't know what I would do. There were no good choices. I can't see me doing it, however, who wouldn't have at least thought about it faced with acute loneliness.

Every moment of every day the character Pratt would have been tempted and likely become fixated on the idea. The possibility of a growing mental illness has to be considered as a factor.

And loneliness is a cruel companion so I can empathize with the dilemma.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Not sure if said earlier but this movie should have been a thriller shot from Lawrence's perspective. Then we learn more about Pratt's "journey" to waking her up (and sorta replicating his experiences), with him a bit darker with his motivations, and the reveal that he intentionally did it.

Mediocre, but definitely rapey that they tried to pass off as romance gone bad. As stout said, he woke up a single hot girl. There's no world where that doesn't fall in that category to some degree.

he not only woke her up, but LIED about it as well.

 

[Stout]

Since you are looking at it personally, I don't know what I would do. There were no good choices. I can't see me doing it, however, who wouldn't have at least thought about it faced with acute loneliness.

Every moment of every day the character Pratt would have been tempted and likely become fixated on the idea. The possibility of a growing mental illness has to be considered as a factor.

And loneliness is a cruel companion so I can empathize with the dilemma.

See, you're just talking about waking someone up. We aren't arguing about that because I agree that it's a likely and understandable outcome. It's studying someone and obsessing over them, then waking them up, then lying about it, then using the info you studied to groom them, then having sex with them, then, when your lies and behavior are exposed, disallowing them any privacy by stalking them over the loudspeaker. That's not a "there aren't any good choices" issue. That's extreme even in an extreme situation.

I think the filmmaker flubbed the emotion and intent. I think he wanted to show not just the understandable bad behavior, but a real extreme with a redemption arc. Well, he got the extreme part right, but flubbed the fact that there's no coming back from that.

 

[Mainstreet]

See, you're just talking about waking someone up. We aren't arguing about that because I agree that it's a likely and understandable outcome. It's studying someone and obsessing over them, then waking them up, then lying about it, then using the info you studied to groom them, then having sex with them, then, when your lies and behavior are exposed, disallowing them any privacy by stalking them over the loudspeaker. That's not a "there aren't any good choices" issue. That's extreme even in an extreme situation.

I think the filmmaker flubbed the emotion and intent. I think he wanted to show not just the understandable bad behavior, but a real extreme with a redemption arc. Well, he got the extreme part right, but flubbed the fact that there's no coming back from that.

Better knowing the nature of the character, "Preston," before all this happened might have better shaped the story.

Looking at the way you perceive the character begs the question, was he a sexual predator before all this happened?

They usually don't just happen.

 

[Stout]

Better knowing the nature of the character, "Preston," before all this happened might have better shaped the story.

Looking at the way you perceive the character begs the question, was he a sexual predator before all this happened?

They usually don't just happen.

I would say, watching the movie, it's possible he was at least skeevy. I would also bet the writer/director would deny any idea of that.

 

[Mainstreet]

I would say, watching the movie, it's possible he was at least skeevy. I would also bet the writer/director would deny any idea of that.

Well, I think it's time to make sure we don't wake up the rest of the passengers.

We need another movie to deep dive. I'm missing Bert.

 

[SunsTzu]

he not only woke her up, but LIED about it as well.

I never saw this movie but did recently watch some comedic breakdown of the movie on youtube. I may be missing context, but the entire synopsis seemed vile to me.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

How would the movie been taken if Lawrence's character was the one whose pod malfunctioned and she spent a year on her own before making the decision to wake up Pratt's character?

I originally said "like he won the lottery" but I wanted to clarify that the response is how men are rarely chosen/pursued.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

I havent seen this movie but the fact it's like years level controversial is something. The writer/director has to be pleased

 

[Cheesebeef]

I havent seen this movie but the fact it's like years level controversial is something. The writer/director has to be pleased

The Director got relegated from making a big Sci Fi tentpole with the two biggest stars in the world to directing TV after this movie. Trust me, he ain’t pleased with the career path this movie set forth for him after.

 

[Stout]

The Director got relegated from making a big Sci Fi tentpole with the two biggest stars in the world to directing TV after this movie. Trust me, he ain’t pleased with the career path this movie set forth for him after.

Yeah, this movie didn't launch him the way he hoped.