Passengers

[AzStevenCal]

+1 I didn't like it either due to the actions of Pratt's character. He was in a tough spot but it's one that you have to suck it up. What he did was morally despicable to me.

I think on some level he realized that everyone on that ship was going to die if he didn't keep his sanity and she was his only way out.

Seriously though, I can understand someone who has gone crazy doing something crazy but he seemed awfully rational at the time he made the decision to awaken her. Anyway, it hurts the movie for us too but we found it mildly enjoyable even so.

 

[Mainstreet]

One of my favorite movies. Even thinking about buying it on DVD.

Some wild takes. No one got raped or murdered.

 

[Stout]

One of my favorite movies. Even thinking about buying it on DVD.

Some wild takes. No one got raped or murdered.

Hard disagree. Rape doesn't have to be a physical overpowering. Murder doesn't have to be a physical overpowering.

 

[Mainstreet]

Hard disagree. Rape doesn't have to be a physical overpowering. Murder doesn't have to be a physical overpowering.

Under extreme conditions people’s behavior can change dramatically. When this occurred, the engineer's society was essentially him. Laws are mostly societal norms and his society was him at that moment.

Also, he might have been the defacto captain like on an ocean ship. Throwing that out there as food for thought.

I'm not excusing his behavior but mitigating circumstances must be weighed. An example might be someone condemning cannibalism if they are not the one starving.

Now, I suppose, the captain could have been awakened earlier in the journey to make a decision, but that might have posed a similar dilemma.

 

[Stout]

Under extreme conditions people’s behavior can change dramatically. When this occurred, the engineer's society was essentially him. Laws are mostly societal norms and his society was him at that moment.

Also, he might have been the defacto captain like on an ocean ship. Throwing that out there as food for thought.

I'm not excusing his behavior but mitigating circumstances must be weighed. An example might be someone condemning cannibalism if they are not the one starving.

Now, I suppose, the captain could have been awakened earlier in the journey to make a decision, but that might have posed a similar dilemma.

No. The simple answer is he targeted her, specifically woke up the hot chick, studied everything about her, and groomed her. If you don't want to call it rape you can at least condemn it as ultimate scumbag behavior. Then completely removing her consent by barraging her over the loud speaker after she found out and rejected him. That is rejected loser stalker behavior, showing no remorse.

 

[AzStevenCal]

No. The simple answer is he targeted her, specifically woke up the hot chick, studied everything about her, and groomed her. If you don't want to call it rape you can at least condemn it as ultimate scumbag behavior. Then completely removing her consent by barraging her over the loud speaker after she found out and rejected him. That is rejected loser stalker behavior, showing no remorse.

I disagree, mostly. You're viewing each action through the most negative prism and while each "description" might be accurate, they're all debatable too. I didn't see him targeting her, didn't see him specifically looking for the hot chick although clearly he was fascinated by her, and I don't get the "grooming" charge at all. And no, I definitely can't condemn it as "ultimate scumbag behavior". To me that's either way too harsh or way too mild.

On first viewing, I had a real problem with his decision. He seemed to be in too much control to justify his decision to wake her. If he's in control of himself, no way could a decent person do what he did. So either you accept that he was a good person that made a horrible decision under mind-bending circumstances or you believe he was a weak jerk who decided to destroy someone else's life simply to make his own better. Based on the tone of the film and the way it plays out, I believe he was not in full control of his faculties.

 

[Mainstreet]

No. The simple answer is he targeted her, specifically woke up the hot chick, studied everything about her, and groomed her. If you don't want to call it rape you can at least condemn it as ultimate scumbag behavior. Then completely removing her consent by barraging her over the loud speaker after she found out and rejected him. That is rejected loser stalker behavior, showing no remorse.

Mostly life is shades of gray, not black and white.

It's easier to say what others should do when not faced with a similar situation.

 

[Stout]

I disagree, mostly. You're viewing each action through the most negative prism and while each "description" might be accurate, they're all debatable too. I didn't see him targeting her, didn't see him specifically looking for the hot chick although clearly he was fascinated by her, and I don't get the "grooming" charge at all. And no, I definitely can't condemn it as "ultimate scumbag behavior". To me that's either way too harsh or way too mild.

On first viewing, I had a real problem with his decision. He seemed to be in too much control to justify his decision to wake her. If he's in control of himself, no way could a decent person do what he did. So either you accept that he was a good person that made a horrible decision under mind-bending circumstances or you believe he was a weak jerk who decided to destroy someone else's life simply to make his own better. Based on the tone of the film and the way it plays out, I believe he was not in full control of his faculties.

They really aren't. It was bad. Now, he was in a desperate situation, and I could see if he became immediately contrite rather than stalking her and trying to assuage his own feelings, a redemption arc. Yeah, he unfortunately did continue behaving badly.

 

[Stout]

Mostly life is shades of gray, not black and white.

It's easier to say what others should do when not faced with a similar situation.

Undoubtedly. Unfortunately, if you look at what that character did and hardcore defend it, well, let's just say I hope my daughter doesn't leave her drink sitting next to you at a party

 

[Dan H]

I’d call it a successful project given people are still discussing it 8 years later.

 

[Mainstreet]

Undoubtedly. Unfortunately, if you look at what that character did and hardcore defend it, well, let's just say I hope my daughter doesn't leave her drink sitting next to you at a party

The same measure you use to judge others might be used to judge you.

And your last comment shows me how low you will go.

 

[oaken1]

No. The simple answer is he targeted her, specifically woke up the hot chick, studied everything about her, and groomed her. If you don't want to call it rape you can at least condemn it as ultimate scumbag behavior. Then completely removing her consent by barraging her over the loud speaker after she found out and rejected him. That is rejected loser stalker behavior, showing no remorse.

because dudes have not been learning everything they can about a woman in order to woo them for like...centuries..
and we all know you would have picked the 400 pounder with warts on her nose...and a known personality disorder.

what he did was creepy... but stuck in that same situation I cant say for 100% certainty that I wouldnt have done something similar.
I mean...its easy to take the moral high ground sitting at your PC... but being 10 light years out in space and facing an entire life spent alone....needing company or going insane.... its self preservation to wake someone,..and common sense -Biological imperative to make that choice a potential mate.

do you think the chick would not have woke a handsome dude??

 

[Stout]

The same measure you use to judge others might be used to judge you.

And your last comment shows me how low you will go.

Lighten up, Francis. It's a joke. I don't have a daughter, man.

 

[Stout]

The same measure you use to judge others might be used to judge you.

And your last comment shows me how low you will go.

Actually, that's a good measure. If you had a daughter, how would you feel if something similar was perpetrated against her? I bet you wouldn't think the guy was cool and talk about gray areas.

 

[Mainstreet]

Lighten up, Francis. It's a joke. I don't have a daughter, man.

Actually, that's a good measure. If you had a daughter, how would you feel if something similar was perpetrated against her? I bet you wouldn't think the guy was cool and talk about gray areas.

The movie explored what would a person do if faced with a similar situation.

We might think we know what we would do, but we really don't. That's what made the movie fascinating.

It's like someone saying they would never resort to cannibalism, but if faced with that dilemma, who knows.

I've often thought, given the right circumstances, people will do almost anything. IMO, there is a finer line separating us from good and evil than we might like to think.

 

[Dan H]

The movie explored what would a person do if faced with a similar situation.

We might think we know what we would do, but we really don't. That's what made the movie fascinating.

It's like someone saying they would never resort to cannibalism, but if faced with that dilemma, who knows.

I've often thought, given the right circumstances, people will do almost anything. IMO, there is a finer line separating us from good and evil than we might like to think.

Solitary confinement has long been recognized to cause severe mental health issues. From that perspective what Pratt’s character did was understandable.

 

[Mainstreet]

Solitary confinement has long been recognized to cause severe mental health issues. From that perspective what Pratt’s character did was understandable.

It is interesting to explore human behavior when placed under harsh circumstances.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Solitary confinement has long been recognized to cause severe mental health issues. From that perspective what Pratt’s character did was understandable.

That plus the fact he'd already lost hope, knowing he'd never again see another living soul.

I think the storytellers wanted us to believe he was simply a good man, stuck in an impossible situation, one that eventually led to him making a horrible choice. I'm not sure they fully succeeded as I always cringe during that stretch where he tries to talk himself out of doing what he admittedly knows to be wrong. Anyway, I'm pretty sure it isn't intended as a pro-rape tale so I accept what I believe is the storytellers intent and enjoy the movie for what that is.

 

[Mainstreet]

Some other movies that deal with personal crisis that can push an individual toward extreme choices are "Falling Down" and the "Ox-Bow Incident."

I'm sure there are many more.

 

[Stout]

The movie explored what would a person do if faced with a similar situation.

We might think we know what we would do, but we really don't. That's what made the movie fascinating.

It's like someone saying they would never resort to cannibalism, but if faced with that dilemma, who knows.

I've often thought, given the right circumstances, people will do almost anything. IMO, there is a finer line separating us from good and evil than we might like to think.

Sure, it's a measure in extremes. I'd wake someone up, no doubt. Probably a bunch of people. What I wouldn't do is wake a chick up because she's hot, cool, and I could groom her for sex.

 

[Stout]

Solitary confinement has long been recognized to cause severe mental health issues. From that perspective what Pratt’s character did was understandable.

Yes, but then no. See above.

 

[Stout]

That plus the fact he'd already lost hope, knowing he'd never again see another living soul.

I think the storytellers wanted us to believe he was simply a good man, stuck in an impossible situation, one that eventually led to him making a horrible choice. I'm not sure they fully succeeded as I always cringe during that stretch where he tries to talk himself out of doing what he admittedly knows to be wrong. Anyway, I'm pretty sure it isn't intended as a pro-rape tale so I accept what I believe is the storytellers intent and enjoy the movie for what that is.

Road to hell. I'm an artist. Once I put something out in the world, my intentions don't matter unless I conveyed them properly.

 

[Zalixar]

Not sure if said earlier but this movie should have been a thriller shot from Lawrence's perspective. Then we learn more about Pratt's "journey" to waking her up (and sorta replicating his experiences), with him a bit darker with his motivations, and the reveal that he intentionally did it.

Mediocre, but definitely rapey that they tried to pass off as romance gone bad. As stout said, he woke up a single hot girl. There's no world where that doesn't fall in that category to some degree.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Not sure if said earlier, but this movie should have been a thriller shot from Lawrence's perspective. Then we learn more about Pratt's "journey" to waking her up (and sorta replicating his experiences), with him a bit darker with his motivations, and the reveal that he intentionally did it.

Mediocre, but definitely rapey that they tried to pass off as romance gone bad. As stout said, he woke up a single hot girl. There's no world where that doesn't fall in that category to some degree.

How would the movie been taken if Lawrence's character was the one whose pod malfunctioned and she spent a year on her own before making the decision to wake up Pratt's character?

 

[Zalixar]

How would the movie been taken if Lawrence's character was the one whose pod malfunctioned and she spent a year on her own before making the decision to wake up Pratt's character?

Sorry, I meant the same order of it happening, just that we don't see Pratt doing his thing for awhile. More that she opens up and does her thing (Pratt absent, then appearing) as if he's surprised (like the audience).

Then she finds audio/video logs/journals, eventual monologues or whatever, etc about his experiences, etc, revealing darker motivations.

The current way was okay, but it just didn't hit well, I'm sure it could still work that way too.

Trailers would probably ruin it anyway.