For Those Losing Their Minds Over the Love Pick...

[Cbus cardsfan]

I would have been happy with Love or Reese.

 

[ajcardfan]

Who would you have drafted at #3? Trade downs weren't an option. So who would you have taken?

As I told you in the other thread Stout I didn't really like any player in the top 10 so I didn't really want anyone at #3.

But, I wouldn't have taken a RB. I truly believe he will suffer a severe injury in the next season or two and never be the same after that. So I would have taken a player with the best chance to start for a long time. It's a better use of the cap.

I don't like being that negative but I really think that is what is going to happen.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

As I told you in the other thread Stout I didn't really like any player in the top 10 so I didn't really want anyone at #3.

But, I wouldn't have taken a RB. I truly believe he will suffer a severe injury in the next season or two and never be the same after that. So I would have taken a player with the best chance to start for a long time. It's a better use of the cap.

I don't like being that negative but I really think that is what is going to happen.

You believe this because we are the cardinals, because of something about love, or because you believe all RBs are destined to experience that?

 

[Stout]

As I told you in the other thread Stout I didn't really like any player in the top 10 so I didn't really want anyone at #3.

But, I wouldn't have taken a RB. I truly believe he will suffer a severe injury in the next season or two and never be the same after that. So I would have taken a player with the best chance to start for a long time. It's a better use of the cap.

I don't like being that negative but I really think that is what is going to happen.

Bah, that's how you end up continually sucking. It's the Levi over AD argument. Give me the Big Johns.

 

[Harry]

He also had the hazing thing that teams were concerned about.

Still proves a guy with this profile can succeed.

 

[Harry]

My point was, you can find plenty of good off ball LBs from 10-15. Historically, you don't find any of those in the top 10. Parsons would have clearly been the gigantic exception. Maybe Reese is that as well, he might be.

But if we are bucking the trend to select Reese, we can apply the same logic to Love.

On Styles had anything like Reese’s ability. He didn’t excel in performance. I don’t think you find a bunch of guys like Reese in previous years. The roles have changed too much. The lack of QBs impacted how early guys went also.

 

[Totally_Red]

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Lynch showing some LOVE!

from the team that had Christian McCaffrey. hopefully Love is the second coming of CMC

 

[Harry]

For my money, Love is a cut above Reese when talking BPA.

Apples to Oranges. Probably about the same but I felt Reese filled a bigger need

 

[ajcardfan]

You believe this because we are the cardinals, because of something about love, or because you believe all RBs are destined to experience that?

It's just what I think is going to happen. It just stats. RB has the shortest average length of career of all positions in the NFL. That is a fact.

So, it's nothing personal about Love or even the Cardinals being jinxed.

Of course I am rooting that he is going to be a true superstar. We have never really had a great RB in Arizona. If he is like Saquon Barkley then it was a great pick.

 

[Harry]

You believe this because we are the cardinals, because of something about love, or because you believe all RBs are destined to experience that?

Those who ignore history ……….

 

[Cardiac]

For my money, Love is a cut above Reese when talking BPA.

But you have said in the past that you are broke.

 

[maroon]

Those who ignore history ……….

You have a very valid point but if they run an offense that features him and use zone blocking and try and get him out in space with 7 to 8 passes a game, he's not taking the damage a ground pounding rb takes either. I would expect 20 to 22 touches a game, playing 80% of the downs, using our other backs for the heavy short yardage lifting, and he's going to be used as a hybrid I think. That injury danger exists for all elite players the NFL is nasty, but you can only do what you do.

 

[slanidrac16]

We were dead in the water at running back maybe even BEFORE Connor went down. Slow, plodding and unproven.

Somebody said if we were going to draft Love why waste the money signing Allgiers. Most saw Allgiers as insurance going into a season with two backs coming off injury. If Allgiers were to go down we’d be in the same situation as last year.

Gannon wanted every drive to be a 12 play 8 minute drive, and that’s nice when you can. Nobody in last years rb room struck fear in the hearts on our opponents defense. One sack, one holding penalty and there goes your 12 play drive. Now, at least once in a while, maybe we can turn that planned 12 play drive into a 2 play drive.

Love will impact this offense more than just handing him the ball. Play action will now be a real thing. Our opponents will have that 1 second hesitation. Zones will open up a little bit more. When Love shifts into the slot imagine the nightmare that will create for defenses. He will also help the o-line. He will take pressure off our qb.

No draft selection guarantees success. Love doesn’t either. But Love is a dynamic offensive weapon that will force DC’s to plan for. Just like they plan for when facing McCaffery, Robinson, Barkley, Henry, and Gibbs. When haven’t had that since when..Ottis Anderson?

Welcome Jeremiyah.

 

[Harry]

You have a very valid point but if they run an offense that features him and use zone blocking and try and get him out in space with 7 to 8 passes a game, he's not taking the damage a ground pounding rb takes either. I would expect 20 to 22 touches a game, playing 80% of the downs, using our other backs for the heavy short yardage lifting, and he's going to be used as a hybrid I think. That injury danger exists for all elite players the NFL is nasty, but you can only do what you do.

Not much history on that system. He gets hit at the line almost every time he carries or takes a short pass. Teams will hit him hard and often. The ND film shows how often he had holes in college. He won’t see many of those in AZ. Teams will key on him, making running even tougher, but helping receivers. Hopefully Reiman will be back. Injury history much tougher on RBs.

 

[Harry]

We were dead in the water at running back maybe even BEFORE Connor went down. Slow, plodding and unproven.

Somebody said if we were going to draft Love why waste the money signing Allgiers. Most saw Allgiers as insurance going into a season with two backs coming off injury. If Allgiers were to go down we’d be in the same situation as last year.

Gannon wanted every drive to be a 12 play 8 minute drive, and that’s nice when you can. Nobody in last years rb room struck fear in the hearts on our opponents defense. One sack, one holding penalty and there goes your 12 play drive. Now, at least once in a while, maybe we can turn that planned 12 play drive into a 2 play drive.

Love will impact this offense more than just handing him the ball. Play action will now be a real thing. Our opponents will have that 1 second hesitation. Zones will open up a little bit more. When Love shifts into the slot imagine the nightmare that will create for defenses. He will also help the o-line. He will take pressure off our qb.

No draft selection guarantees success. Love doesn’t either. But Love is a dynamic offensive weapon that will force DC’s to plan for. Just like they plan for when facing McCaffery, Robinson, Barkley, Henry, and Gibbs. When haven’t had that since when..Ottis Anderson?

Welcome Jeremiyah.

I agree help play action and passing game in general, but not picking up rushers. He’s a weapon no doubt. We’ll have to see if he can really change the offense. I’m pessimistic.

 

[MadCardDisease]

This was a luxury pick. Doesn’t mean that Love isn’t a great prospect. Just feels like building the roof before the foundation is complete.

I’ll feel a lot better about this pick if the Cards can land Pregnon with their next pick. The oline prospects are getting thin fast.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Having buzz does not make it a good pick. We should not be picking off of buzz. If love was in play why did we spend money on Allgeier? Someone is getting cut so is it Benson? That seems like a waste. I don’t see us keeping 4 RB on the active roster.

Benson is a waste of a roster space. So is Connor.

The supposed "depth the Cardinals had before yesterday was Allegier and two injury prone has-been and never-will-bes.

Now, does that mean I think Love was absolutely the right pick? No. In this draft I have no idea, but the Cardinals had a back-up power back on their depth chart and two massive question marks. That ain't depth.

 

[slanidrac16]

I agree help play action and passing game in general, but not picking up rushers. He’s a weapon no doubt. We’ll have to see if he can really change the offense. I’m pessimistic.

lol. You have every reason to be pessimistic. We all do.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Reese.

You could have made a better argument for Love if Monti would have invested more in the oline in FA. Instead he crap the bed again.

this argument I can buy.

The even better argument I can buy is why are we looking at yet ANOTHER offseason where the front office decided we can really only try and upgrade ONE side of the ball (offense - Allgieer, the OG from Pitt, Love)... and not even go all in on that side?! I mean, they literally did NOTHING in FA on a defense that was ATROCIOUS last year.

 

[Krangodnzr]

You know I was skeptical as anybody, but I have a basic philosophy with the draft that I want the Cardinals to walk away with a good player in the first round.

Is Love a good player? I think he's a fantastic player and brings a dimension to this offense that has been missing for a long time.

 

[PDXChris]

this argument I can buy.

The even better argument I can buy is why are we looking at yet ANOTHER offseason where the front office decided we can really only try and upgrade ONE side of the ball (offense - Allgieer, the OG from Pitt, Love)... and not even go all in on that side?! I mean, they literally did NOTHING in FA on a defense that was ATROCIOUS last year.

Defense feels like more re-shuffling of chairs on the Titanic deck.

From Bilal Nichols to Ray Lopez
From Dalvin Tomlinso to Andrew Billings
From Jalen Thompson to Andrew Wingard
From Akeem Davis-Gaither to Jack Gibbens

Minus CC, the defense feels exactly the same with just a few different names.

 

[slanidrac16]

Defense feels like more re-shuffling of chairs on the Titanic deck.

From Bilal Nichols to Ray Lopez
From Dalvin Tomlinso to Andrew Billings
From Jalen Thompson to Andrew Wingard
From Akeem Davis-Gaither to Jack Gibbens

Minus CC, the defense feels exactly the same with just a few different names.

CC is not gone forever yet.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Defense feels like more re-shuffling of chairs on the Titanic deck.

From Bilal Nichols to Ray Lopez
From Dalvin Tomlinso to Andrew Billings
From Jalen Thompson to Andrew Wingard
From Akeem Davis-Gaither to Jack Gibbens

Minus CC, the defense feels exactly the same with just a few different names.

it's just mind-boggling to me that this FO can seemingly only focus on really putting effort into improving ONE side of the ball per off-season, and not even going all-in there, evidenced by the gaping holes on the RT/G and... um... QB on offense... while again, sitting comfortably on 40 million in cap space... again (sitting on significant cap space).

 

[kerouac9]

Defense feels like more re-shuffling of chairs on the Titanic deck.

From Bilal Nichols to Ray Lopez
From Dalvin Tomlinso to Andrew Billings
From Jalen Thompson to Andrew Wingard
From Akeem Davis-Gaither to Jack Gibbens

Minus CC, the defense feels exactly the same with just a few different names.

Also Jalen Thompson is gone.

Apparently we were an SMB and Starling Thomas III away from being good.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Also Jalen Thompson is gone.

Apparently we were an SMB and Starling Thomas III away from being good.

it's crazy to think that as bad as last year's D was, this year's D will likely be WORSE, after three years of a "rebuild" a ton of draft capital thrown at it and still, currently sitting on a mountain of cash/cap space.