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1 – Call it doing a little self-scouting, but one thing I have found out is that I started the draft research process too late this year. Or maybe I was too affected by the outcome from free agency. Point being that I have changed my mindset about the strategy from when I made my mock draft, because back then I wanted to build the strongest team for 2027 through taking players with the biggest potential, even if they were not ready to contribute now. But I want to compete, and I want to win. I have never cared for any QB class in 2027 since neither you, me, nor anyone else have any imaginable understanding of how it will look at that point, so right now I could not care any less if they end up with a high draft pick next year. I want to win, so I want them to target players that can contribute right away.

2 – OG Chase Bisontis is the best offensive lineman on the board (and #16 on my Cards board). Now, I am pretty sure that Isaiah Adams are still in the plans, but getting better is obviously never a bad thing. Bisontis is both a better prospect and a much better fit. It would also make sense to optimize your investment in Love, so maybe you just take the best offensive lineman regardless of position? I think this would be my pick.

3 – I had inside linebacker Anthony Hill in the top ten on the Cards board for my mock draft. He is a fantastic fit, but is it too much of a luxury pick considering the position value and options at ILB on the roster? Hill could potentially be an edge rusher but is a stud at his current position.

4 – Cornerback Jermod McCoy would have been a top half first round pick if not for his injuries. If he gets healthy, someone is going to get a major steal (he is #6 on the Cards board based purely on talent). Food for thoughts.

5 – I expect Ossenfort to trade back from #34.

6 – If I need a pass rusher on one specific play, I will choose R Mason Thomas or Cashius Howell over anyone in the draft class (including Reese and Bailey). Both have challenges (mainly size), but it didn’t seem to hold them back much last season. Howell has so short arms that they are basically not even there, while Thomas is probably not athletic enough to consistently threaten NFL offensive linemen. Both will probably only be designated pass rushers, but again, on one play, with a game on the line, I would want those two guys on the field. Maybe that is valuable enough for somewhere in the second round?

7 – I had them going with Carson Beck in my mock draft. We will see. Supposedly they have spent a lot of time on Cole Payton too. I expect them to take a QB today.

8 – It is impossible to guess what will happen at pick #65, but at least I can say that a quarterback or trench-guy should be the pick.

9 – Edge rushers T.J. Parker and Zion Young are very good fits for Rallis’ defense. They are much more well-rounded edge defenders than the aforementioned Thomas and Howell, but none of them offer the same level of pass rush-juice. It’s a matter of what you prefer.

10 – If they target a nickelback as insurance or even replacement for Garrett Williams, I could see it being Keionte Scott since they just hired his position coach at Miami last season.
 
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I agree with you on Bisontis. 3 year starter in the SEC two of them at tackle. They moved him to G this year and he became the best player on one of the top offensive lines in college football last year.

He plays nasty and angry. He gets too many penalties but I think that is something that can be cleaned up.
 

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5 – I expect Ossenfort to trade back from #34.
Why would we trade back when we need talent?

MO trading back and passing on good players to take someone that is a risk or a reach has been shown to not work

Better to have quality over quantity
 
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Why would we trade back when we need talent?

MO trading back and passing on good players to take someone that is a risk or a reach has been shown to not work

Better to have quality over quantity
I agree, but that is what Ossenfort do. There are several good options on the board, so I think he will take advantage of that. Again, I would personally select Bisontis.
 

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I don’t pretend to know anything about potential draft picks except what I read and imput on this site(well most input).
I DO NOT want to draft ANY QB with the next 2, may 3 picks. I also do not want to use our 2nd pick on a guy coming off injury because he “could be” a bargain.

So my guess is we take the best o-lineman available. I can’t say which one because I don’t know who fits ML’s style of offense best. However, if there is an edge that is ranked head and shoulders above an o -line prospect , so be it.

We have to figure out the Brissett situation. I don’t want to let him walk and go with Minshew. Where would we be if Minshew went down? I think all we have to do is to gaurantee Brissett’s contract. He took a beating last year during a losing cause. With the weapons on this offense all we need from him is to be middle of the pack qb.
 

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Why would we trade back when we need talent?

MO trading back and passing on good players to take someone that is a risk or a reach has been shown to not work

Better to have quality over quantity
Trading down from 34 for an extra 3rd round pick might be be beneficial. What is the talent gap from #34 to #40, #50 and #54? That’s a little different than moving from #3 to #23.
 

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I agree, but that is what Ossenfort do. There are several good options on the board, so I think he will take advantage of that. Again, I would personally select Bisontis.
I think he will trade back as well. If he does, I hope it is only 2 or 3 spots back.
 

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An excellent post lots of points that make good sense. Going to be a very interesting day two draft night. :thumbup:
 

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Trading down from 34 for an extra 3rd round pick might be be beneficial. What is the talent gap from #34 to #40, #50 and #54? That’s a little different than moving from #3 to #23.
To get a third, even a late third, you'd have to trade pretty far back from 34. I don't like that. If they trade, its more likely netting a 4th and maybe a 6th or something depending how far back they go. 3rd round values are roughly half of 2nd round, and 4th halves again.
 
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To get a third, even a late third, you'd have to trade pretty far back from 34. I don't like that. If they trade, its more likely netting a 4th and maybe a 6th or something depending how far back they go. 3rd round values are roughly have of 2nd round, and 4th halves again.
The stars would definitely have to line up. But we might be able to trade down for an extra 3rd. Turn around and move back up into the second.
 

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1 – Call it doing a little self-scouting, but one thing I have found out is that I started the draft research process too late this year. Or maybe I was too affected by the outcome from free agency. Point being that I have changed my mindset about the strategy from when I made my mock draft, because back then I wanted to build the strongest team for 2027 through taking players with the biggest potential, even if they were not ready to contribute now. But I want to compete, and I want to win. I have never cared for any QB class in 2027 since neither you, me, nor anyone else have any imaginable understanding of how it will look at that point, so right now I could not care any less if they end up with a high draft pick next year. I want to win, so I want them to target players that can contribute right away.

2 – OG Chase Bisontis is the best offensive lineman on the board (and #16 on my Cards board). Now, I am pretty sure that Isaiah Adams are still in the plans, but getting better is obviously never a bad thing. Bisontis is both a better prospect and a much better fit. It would also make sense to optimize your investment in Love, so maybe you just take the best offensive lineman regardless of position? I think this would be my pick.

3 – I had inside linebacker Anthony Hill in the top ten on the Cards board for my mock draft. He is a fantastic fit, but is it too much of a luxury pick considering the position value and options at ILB on the roster? Hill could potentially be an edge rusher but is a stud at his current position.

4 – Cornerback Jermod McCoy would have been a top half first round pick if not for his injuries. If he gets healthy, someone is going to get a major steal (he is #6 on the Cards board based purely on talent). Food for thoughts.

5 – I expect Ossenfort to trade back from #34.

6 – If I need a pass rusher on one specific play, I will choose R Mason Thomas or Cashius Howell over anyone in the draft class (including Reese and Bailey). Both have challenges (mainly size), but it didn’t seem to hold them back much last season. Howell has so short arms that they are basically not even there, while Thomas is probably not athletic enough to consistently threaten NFL offensive linemen. Both will probably only be designated pass rushers, but again, on one play, with a game on the line, I would want those two guys on the field. Maybe that is valuable enough for somewhere in the second round?

7 – I had them going with Carson Beck in my mock draft. We will see. Supposedly they have spent a lot of time on Cole Payton too. I expect them to take a QB today.

8 – It is impossible to guess what will happen at pick #65, but at least I can say that a quarterback or trench-guy should be the pick.

9 – Edge rushers T.J. Parker and Zion Young are very good fits for Rallis’ defense. They are much more well-rounded edge defenders than the aforementioned Thomas and Howell, but none of them offer the same level of pass rush-juice. It’s a matter of what you prefer.

10 – If they target a nickelback as insurance or even replacement for Garrett Williams, I could see it being Keionte Scott since they just hired his position coach at Miami last season.
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I agree with you on Bisontis. 3 year starter in the SEC two of them at tackle. They moved him to G this year and he became the best player on one of the top offensive lines in college football last year.
It is actually the other way around, AJC. He played right tackle for one year and was moved to guard after that. He has played guard ever since, though I certainly think he could still play tackle in a pinch. In fact, if he had longer arms, I think he would be playing tackle in the NFL.
 

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If the Cardinals are not interested in an OL at 34, a trade down makes a little more sense. Lots of EDGE/S/CB/ILB/DL available due to the run on OL and WRs last night.
 

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Tough thing about round 2 is projecting 3. Bud Clark. Kyle Louis. Hecht. Big Citrus. D Moore. Barham. They are all good players and could be on the board in 3
 

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It is actually the other way around, AJC. He played right tackle for one year and was moved to guard after that. He has played guard ever since, though I certainly think he could still play tackle in a pinch. In fact, if he had longer arms, I think he would be playing tackle in the NFL.
You are correct. He did move to G after one year. If we draft him it should be as a G.
 

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I think you discussed Barham who would be interesting as he is a little like Reese light and could be a good gamble in round 3.
 

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I agree with you on Bisontis. 3 year starter in the SEC two of them at tackle. They moved him to G this year and he became the best player on one of the top offensive lines in college football last year.

He plays nasty and angry. He gets too many penalties but I think that is something that can be cleaned up.
He’s a real option. However he seems to fit better into a zone blocking scheme. Pregnon is more of a gap blocker which I think is a better fit for Love. Love has great vision and is quick to the hole. My perception is gap blocking doesn’t require a block be held as long. I think you get more holes from the Cards’ Oline if you gap block.
 
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I think you discussed Barham who would be interesting as he is a little like Reese light and could be a good gamble in round 3.
Yes, interesting player. New to the position and a good scheme fit, so very reminiscent of Reese.
 

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ESPN Matt Miller has us taking Carson Beck at 34 and Travis Burke, an OT from Memphis I've never heard of even after doing hundreds of mock draft simulations, at 65. So yeah, could be a fun night!!
 
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