If the Cardinals select Jeremiyah Love with the 3rd pick, I will be.....

[maroon]

The only reason you go up for Simpson in the late 1st is to get the 5th year on him, and to jump over the Jets who would be the only reason he wouldn't be there at 34.

It's a defensible reason to go up and get him, I just wouldn't do it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Hump and Kyler absolutely did.

Don’t remember how it worked under the old CBA, but I’d guess LJ Shelton and DRC also outperformed their contracts. Maybe Peterson is he was covered under the new CBA.

You didn’t make it off one hand.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Conner had two 1000 yard seasons in 2023 and 2024, averaged over 4.5 yards per carry in both, 7+ TDs in both, and the Cardinals record was a combined 12-22. IMO, people are overestimating who a good back on a bad team can accomplish in terms of wins and losses.

What do you out record would have been without Conner? I’m guessing 6-28. And you’re the guy who cares about wins, right?

 

[Cheesebeef]

dude, look at this plate of crap we’ve selected from the draft buffet over the past 10 years. I didn’t include Walter because it’s too soon and he shows promise. PJ is solid, jury is still out on MHJ. Who cares if Love gets added to this list? I’d rather roll the dice that this kid has CMC potential than hope that some of these Edge rushers from a known weak draft class can maybe turn out to have Marcus Golden type production.

• 2024: WR Marvin Harrison Jr., DL Darius Robinson
• 2023: OL Paris Johnson Jr.
• 2022: None (pick traded to Baltimore Ravensfor WR Marquise Brown)
• 2021: LB Zaven Collins
• 2020: LB Isaiah Simmons
• 2019: QB Kyler Murray
• 2018: QB Josh Rosen
• 2017: LB Haason Reddick
• 2016: DL Robert Nkemdiche

my lord...

 

[Cheesebeef]

Hump and Kyler absolutely did.

Don’t remember how it worked under the old CBA, but I’d guess LJ Shelton and DRC also outperformed their contracts. Maybe Peterson is he was covered under the new CBA.

that's 5 guys... IN 37 YEARS.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Fire Monti

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So a nobody in Chuck Harris has penetrated one of the tightest lipped teams in the NFL and has somehow uncovered who MB, MLF and MO prefer individually with the #3 overall pick. Right.....

 

[ASUCHRIS]

my lord...

Making Rod Graves look like a genius.

 

[oaken1]

What do you out record would have been without Conner? I’m guessing 6-28. And you’re the guy who cares about wins, right?

a QB that can pull off a play fake and throw the PA pass more than 5 yards down field might have made a difference too. just my opinion of course.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

Well I do like Love and dont trust Montie here is my thought when you lose the 2 main Rb's (Connor and Benson) and lead rusher gains less than 400 yards for the season You better damn well look at Rb early Hell some team rushing stats aproach that in one or two games also remember Both Connor and Benson are coming of injury and 1 is on the wrong side of 30 is that what every one is banking on?

 

[kerouac9]

You didn’t make it off one hand.

that's 5 guys... IN 37 YEARS.

Yeah but really only the last 15 drafts count. The rookie wage scale started with the 2011 CBA. The cards were drafting so high so often before then that it was extremely difficult for any of those guys to outperform their last year or two.

I’d argue Fitz didn’t even outperform his rookie deal.

 

[sinsay]

I hope we draft love in 3 years, he will be a top 2 or 3 player from this draft

 

[HairZach]

Well I do like Love and dont trust Montie here is my thought when you lose the 2 main Rb's (Connor and Benson) and lead rusher gains less than 400 yards for the season You better damn well look at Rb early Hell some team rushing stats aproach that in one or two games also remember Both Connor and Benson are coming of injury and 1 is on the wrong side of 30 is that what every one is banking on?

We couldnt run block last year, even before the injuries. James Conner averaged 3 ypc before he got hurt. If we had Love on last year's team we still would have been a bottom 10 rushing attack. RBs are completely dependent on their blockers to get past the LOS. What makes Love special is his ability at the second level, but he never would have made it to the second level.

I wont be upset if we take Love, he's a good player, but I think its suboptimal team building. Its so easy to sign a top tier RB in free agency. They're available every year and they're cheap. Not so much for pass rushers, and the top OTs available in free agency are always straight up bad. OL/DL have primes that can last a decade, while most running backs aren't the same players 5-6 years later.

 

[Solar7]

We couldnt run block last year, even before the injuries. James Conner averaged 3 ypc before he got hurt. If we had Love on last year's team we still would have been a bottom 10 rushing attack. RBs are completely dependent on their blockers to get past the LOS. What makes Love special is his ability at the second level, but he never would have made it to the second level.

I wont be upset if we take Love, he's a good player, but I think its suboptimal team building. Its so easy to sign a top tier RB in free agency. They're available every year and they're cheap. Not so much for pass rushers, and the top OTs available in free agency are always straight up bad. OL/DL have primes that can last a decade, while most running backs aren't the same players 5-6 years later.

Great, so we what, reach for a middling player in the hopes that they're just merely okay, but be happy if they maybe get a second contract to be a middling player?

This is what I don't get. Why have we given up on getting an elite player, because we're worried about who might sign a second contract half a decade from now?

 

[HairZach]

Great, so we what, reach for a middling player in the hopes that they're just merely okay, but be happy if they maybe get a second contract to be a middling player?

This is what I don't get. Why have we given up on getting an elite player, because we're worried about who might sign a second contract half a decade from now?

There are other good players in this draft besides Jeremiah Love! This is not a one player draft! People are just latching onto media hype like they did with MHJ.

An elite RB with a bad OL will perform worse than a flat out bad RB with a good OL. You cant say that about any other position. 7th round plodder Kyle Monongai was more efficient than Ashton Jeanty and Christian McCaffrey last year!

Theres no such thing as a middling OT, they either ruin the entire offense or they're good. Then there are a couple unquestioned golden gods like Sewell/Alt who are elite. You dont only take the unquestioned gods and then scoff at the rest, it is beyond worth it to take swings on the good OTs. Mauigoa and Fano should be good OTs. If they don't bust they will change the entire offense for the better for the next decade.

Hitting on good OTs turns bad teams into good teams. Then once you are good you can easily sign an elite RB in free agency. Or you can draft the elite RB and then never be good, because you cant find good OTs in free agency because no team is stupid enough to let one leave. The same logic applies to pass rushers. Elite RBs are always available in free agency because they are the lowest priority to any team, easily replaceable, found relatively often in rounds 3 and 4.

 

[kerouac9]

Great, so we what, reach for a middling player in the hopes that they're just merely okay, but be happy if they maybe get a second contract to be a middling player?

This is what I don't get. Why have we given up on getting an elite player, because we're worried about who might sign a second contract half a decade from now?

I don’t think any of these guys profile as elite prospects, which is why we’re all splitting hairs and making justifications.

All these dudes are drafted after 12 or 15 in the 2024 NFL draft.

 

[slanidrac16]

There are other good players in this draft besides Jeremiah Love! This is not a one player draft! People are just latching onto media hype like they did with MHJ.

An elite RB with a bad OL will perform worse than a flat out bad RB with a good OL. You cant say that about any other position.

Theres no such thing as a middling OT, they either ruin the entire offense or they're good. Then there are a couple unquestioned golden gods like Sewell are elite. You dont only take the unquestioned gods and then scoff at the rest, it is beyond worth it to take swings on the good OTs. Mauigoa and Fano should be good OTs. If they don't bust they will change the entire offense for the better for the next decade.

Hitting on good OTs turns bad teams into good teams. Then once you are good you can easily sign an elite RB in free agency. Or you can draft the elite RB and then never be good, because you cant find good OTs in free agency because no team is stupid enough to let one leave. The same logic applies to pass rushers.

Build a team with great players.
So pass on Love whom most experts are saying is a top 2-3 player and draft an OLineman ranked much lower.
Not me.

 

[Solar7]

Theres no such thing as a middling OT, they either ruin the entire offense or they're good. Then there are a couple unquestioned golden gods like Sewell/Alt who are elite. You dont only take the unquestioned gods and then scoff at the rest, it is beyond worth it to take swings on the good OTs. Mauigoa and Fano should be good OTs. If they don't bust they will change the entire offense for the better for the next decade.

Why are guys like Jedrick Wills and Mekhi Becton on mediocre deals with other teams then? They're "good," but never moved the needle. They're not "busts," but they're middling players that got overdrafted to be RTs.

Hitting on good OTs turns bad teams into good teams. Then once you are good you can easily sign an elite RB in free agency. Or you can draft the elite RB and then never be good, because you cant find good OTs in free agency because no team is stupid enough to let one leave. The same logic applies to pass rushers. Elite RBs are always available in free agency because they are the lowest priority to any team, easily replaceable, found relatively often in rounds 3 and 4.

I broke down RB production in a post in the past few years. They're never found in rounds 3 and 4. You might have one or two, but they're not "often."

Don't bust on reaching for a crappy player because of positional value. We have a ton of middling, nearly useless players on this roster. Please don't do it again at #3.

 

[Solar7]

I don’t think any of these guys profile as elite prospects, which is why we’re all splitting hairs and making justifications.

All these dudes are drafted after 12 or 15 in the 2024 NFL draft.

Yeah, we firmly disagree on Love. He's elite. The argument is that he's not the right position at the right time, which I understand, but no one else is.

I don't hear anyone clamoring for the other players, just saying the "positional value" is bad.

 

[HairZach]

Build a team with great players.
So pass on Love whom most experts are saying is a top 2-3 player and draft an OLineman ranked much lower.
Not me.

I'm only in on the OL if we trade down. If we cant I'd want one of the pass rushers or Downs. I fear Bain is going to go to the Chiefs and wreck the league for the next 11 years.

Rankings are relative. Think of it as a tiers than exact order that players should go in, a ton of players in this draft are really close to each other talent wise, thats why everyone wants to trade down. There's no way for draft gurus to accurately turn every players into numbers and say they should first, second, etc... When a guy goes 5-10 spots ahead of where Daniel Jeremiah ranked him on his big board that's not a reach.

Positional value, considering what values are available later in the draft/free agency, does matter when constructing the best roster possible. I won't pretend that it doesn't.

Love is a way better prospect than Mendoza, should the Raiders take him #1 overall? He is the best player! What a dumb team to not take the unquestioned best player Jeremiah Love. Why are they reaching for a mediocre prospect like Mendoza?

 

[HairZach]

Why are guys like Jedrick Wills and Mekhi Becton on mediocre deals with other teams then? They're "good," but never moved the needle. They're not "busts," but they're middling players that got overdrafted to be RTs.


I broke down RB production in a post in the past few years. They're never found in rounds 3 and 4. You might have one or two, but they're not "often."

Don't bust on reaching for a crappy player because of positional value. We have a ton of middling, nearly useless players on this roster. Please don't do it again at #3.

Those guys aren't middling OT, they were good until they became injury busts.

Betcon was an injury and character bust. He was good very early on, but would show up 50 pounds overweight to camp every year and missed two full seasons with knee injury. After that he was an unplayable bad RT He played well as a GUARD for the eagles, less so for the chargers. His lost athleticism since the knee issues have relegated him to guard. He is currently a FA.

Willis started out as good, injured his knee in 2023, never recovered, and hasnt really played (and been horrible when he has). Willis has played in 4 games since he first got injured in 2023. That's why he is on a 1 year vet min deal with Chicago to be a backup.

Your point of "why do teams pay OTs mediocre deals" might not apply to Willis or Betcon, but it is a valid question. Teams pay bad OTs money to play for them because they have no other choice. Just because they get paid doesnt mean they are good.

Look at Dan Moore Jr. for the Titans, he was awful for the steelers and he's been awful for Tennesse, they still paid him a ton of money to be awful, because he was slightly less awful than Dennis Daley.

Or Jonah Williams for the Cardinals. He was a massive bust for the bengals and we paid him a bunch of money to be terrible here.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Fire Monti

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Concerning? I find that refreshing. Your organization targeting 2 of the 2 best players seems like a win to me.

 

[Redsz]

The "love" memes / catchphrases / word play is going to be out of control if we take him at #3.

 

[602 Native]

Concerning? I find that refreshing. Your organization targeting 2 of the 2 best players seems like a win to me.

Not the issue.

The issue is you hired an offensive coach and his first pick is a defensive guy.

Gannon ain’t here no more. Give the chef the ingredients he wants to cook with. Give the guy a fighting chance to actually win.

 

[oaken1]

I hope we draft love in 3 years, he will be a top 2 or 3 player from this draft

punctuation is important. Unless you actually meant to say that you hope we draft Love in the 2029 draft?... but if so, how would he be a top 2 or 3 player...from THIS draft??
I am far fro perfection with punctuation but you need to place a pause right after Love..Period,...comma...or my favorite, the exaggerated ellipses....

ellipses is basically like a comma but with the undertone of implied speech...it means, "Pause for things unsaid",. or something to that effect. Being an autistic person, there are always things left unsaid...being an cornholio, that is usually a very good thing.

 

[oaken1]

The "love" memes / catchphrases / word play is going to be out of control if we take him at #3.

Yer Gonna LOVE it!!