Jeremiyah Love No Matter What

[oaken1]

If a CrossFit trainer is also vegan what do they bring up in every single conversation first?

their sexuality

 

[ABR]

It is lazy because I'm not putting in the time to really research a RB in the top three. I want to be convinced of it because it's 9/10 a bad idea.

I will say that I'm being convinced that Love might really be worth it.

That's fair. And I agree with you that in the vast majority of cases, drafting a RB in the top 10, especially the top 5, is almost bordering on lunacy given positional values. This is such a weird draft with a lack of slam dunk elite talent at the high value positions that I'm sure it's putting GM's in uncomfortable spots.

 

[Harry]

huh? he's not a hybrid player his coach is just saying he's good enough as an athlete to have played other positions.

There are 2 hybrid guys being projected as possible Cards, Reese and Styles, neither one of them has a lock NFL position. They're both great athletes

Lots of NFL players end up playing, even starring, at position that weren’t where they played most of their college starts. Typically vesatility is an asset. The Simmons case was an outlier. He literally played all over the defense in college, even switching positions during a drive. The upshot was he never really mastered one. Consider Bain. He will be likely drafted as an Edge, probably started at DE for a 4-3 team. Of course anybody could grab him. There are legitimate arm length questions. When he first came to college he played inside on the line and was outstanding. That’s why I’ve said if the Cards trade down and didn’t get their first choice I’d be okay with him. They have enough needs he’d shine somewhere. He’d likely be very good inside. Reese is similar in that he wants to rush the passer as an Edge. If it turns out he isn’t great a team likely gets a solid LB. If the team needs one that’s fine. I like Bain better because he’s more relentless. That’s the one factor which I’m not certain Reese has. If you believe he does he’s a good choice at 3.

 

[Russ Smith]

Lots of NFL players end up playing, even starring, at position that weren’t where they played most of their college starts. Typically vesatility is an asset. The Simmons case was an outlier. He literally played all over the defense in college, even switching positions during a drive. The upshot was he never really mastered one. Consider Bain. He will be likely drafted as an Edge, probably started at DE for a 4-3 team. Of course anybody could grab him. There are legitimate arm length questions. When he first came to college he played inside on the line and was outstanding. That’s why I’ve said if the Cards trade down and didn’t get their first choice I’d be okay with him. They have enough needs he’d shine somewhere. He’d likely be very good inside. Reese is similar in that he wants to rush the passer as an Edge. If it turns out he isn’t great a team likely gets a solid LB. If the team needs one that’s fine. I like Bain better because he’s more relentless. That’s the one factor which I’m not certain Reese has. If you believe he does he’s a good choice at 3.

My problem with Reese is he only played 2 years and wasn't exceptional either year. He had 7 sacks in 2 years, 6.5 this year. He had like 130 total tackles in 2 years. He and Simon played together on the same defense and Simon was not just better he was markedly better, look at what Simon did for us last year constantly hitting the wrong hole, he was not very good at all yet in college he was significantly better than Reese. This year they moved Reese to more of a hybrid Edge, fit him better but again he wasn't a dominant player at either off ball LB or edge. I think he probably has a better pro career than Simmons did but my objection was to the original comment someone made which appeared to be suggestion Love was a hybrid player.

 

[Harry]

My problem with Reese is he only played 2 years and wasn't exceptional either year. He had 7 sacks in 2 years, 6.5 this year. He had like 130 total tackles in 2 years. He and Simon played together on the same defense and Simon was not just better he was markedly better, look at what Simon did for us last year constantly hitting the wrong hole, he was not very good at all yet in college he was significantly better than Reese. This year they moved Reese to more of a hybrid Edge, fit him better but again he wasn't a dominant player at either off ball LB or edge. I think he probably has a better pro career than Simmons did but my objection was to the original comment someone made which appeared to be suggestion Love was a hybrid player.

I was just trying to indicate that if they meant playing multiple positions was a weakness, I didn’t agree. Many keep calling Reese a Simmons-like player. I disagree.

 

[Russ Smith]

I was just trying to indicate that if they meant playing multiple positions was a weakness, I didn’t agree. Many keep calling Reese a Simmons-like player. I disagree.

I think the ceiling is higher for Reese but I think he kind of so far has the same issue, his best trait is speed but he's a straight ahead guy and that's not as important at LB or Edge you have to be able to move laterally.

 

[Krangodnzr]

My problem with Reese is he only played 2 years and wasn't exceptional either year. He had 7 sacks in 2 years, 6.5 this year. He had like 130 total tackles in 2 years. He and Simon played together on the same defense and Simon was not just better he was markedly better, look at what Simon did for us last year constantly hitting the wrong hole, he was not very good at all yet in college he was significantly better than Reese. This year they moved Reese to more of a hybrid Edge, fit him better but again he wasn't a dominant player at either off ball LB or edge. I think he probably has a better pro career than Simmons did but my objection was to the original comment someone made which appeared to be suggestion Love was a hybrid player.

I don't know..Reese was a consensus All American, Big Ten LB of the year, and was a finalist for the Butkis Award. I don't think you can be an ordinary player and achieve all of those accolades. I didn't watch much OSU football last year so I'm just stating the obvious here.

This is such a weird draft, no real slam dunk picks, every pick has an obvious downside.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't know..Reese was a consensus All American, Big Ten LB of the year, and was a finalist for the Butkis Award. I don't think you can be an ordinary player and achieve all of those accolades. I didn't watch much OSU football last year so I'm just stating the obvious here.

This is such a weird draft, no real slam dunk picks, every pick has an obvious downside.

If you didn't know whose stats these were would you look at them and say that's a consensus all american best LB in the big 10?

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I mean what about THIS guy whose team won the National Title and played in the same conference? More total tackles, more solo more sacks I am not saying Rolijah Hardy is a better pro prospect he's a 5'11" 225 pounder but he was a better LB last year than Reese was IMO

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[Krangodnzr]

If you didn't know whose stats these were would you look at them and say that's a consensus all american best LB in the big 10?

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I mean what about THIS guy whose team won the National Title and played in the same conference? More total tackles, more solo more sacks I am not saying Rolijah Hardy is a better pro prospect he's a 5'11" 225 pounder but he was a better LB last year than Reese was IMO

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It's hard as hell to compare guys across schemes though.

 

[Harry]

I don't know..Reese was a consensus All American, Big Ten LB of the year, and was a finalist for the Butkis Award. I don't think you can be an ordinary player and achieve all of those accolades. I didn't watch much OSU football last year so I'm just stating the obvious here.

This is such a weird draft, no real slam dunk picks, every pick has an obvious downside.

Simmons Wins 2019 Butkus Award

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Doesn’t guarantee NFL success

 

[Chopper0080]

Simmons Wins 2019 Butkus Award

clemsontigers.com

Doesn’t guarantee NFL success

Yup

 

[Russ Smith]

It's hard as hell to compare guys across schemes though.

Sure . I'm just saying that award was more about his NFL hype than his college play

 

[Krangodnzr]

Sure . I'm just saying that award was more about his NFL hype than his college play

I mean I've watched some of his tape and it's pretty damn explosive. I completely understand the hype, if he's successful, he has a very high ceiling.

 

[Russ Smith]

I mean I've watched some of his tape and it's pretty damn explosive. I completely understand the hype, if he's successful, he has a very high ceiling.

the interesting thing on him is he only has 32 inch arms which is longer than Bain but below par for an ideal edge. The teams that covet him covet him as an edge. I was also surprised he ran a 4.46 I expected him to be closer to 4.4 based on what they had been saying. I think he gained weight before the combine to prove he could move to Edge but it slowed him down. He and Styles had the same time, Bailey ran a 4.5 but Bailey has actually proven he can dominate at edge in college, he ran his time 10 pounds heavier, and he has longer arms.

I'm actually really hoping the Jets take Reese, I'm very concerned they're going to take Bailey and then we'll take Reese.

I want Love not Bailey but if they take Reese I think I would be happy if we took Bailey not Mauigoa.

 

[Krangodnzr]

the interesting thing on him is he only has 32 inch arms which is longer than Bain but below par for an ideal edge. The teams that covet him covet him as an edge. I was also surprised he ran a 4.46 I expected him to be closer to 4.4 based on what they had been saying. I think he gained weight before the combine to prove he could move to Edge but it slowed him down. He and Styles had the same time, Bailey ran a 4.5 but Bailey has actually proven he can dominate at edge in college, he ran his time 10 pounds heavier, and he has longer arms.

I'm actually really hoping the Jets take Reese, I'm very concerned they're going to take Bailey and then we'll take Reese.

I want Love not Bailey but if they take Reese I think I would be happy if we took Bailey not Mauigoa.

In a draft like this, I'm more okay taking Reese than I normally would. I don't care that he ran a 4.46; the guy is a lightning bolt on the field.

I'm actuall okay talking all of those players, with Bailey as the top guy, and then the other three fairly equally. I probably want Mauigoa second most because of positional value and his extremely high floor.

 

[Russ Smith]

In a draft like this, I'm more okay taking Reese than I normally would. I don't care that he ran a 4.46; the guy is a lightning bolt on the field.

I'm actuall okay talking all of those players, with Bailey as the top guy, and then the other three fairly equally. I probably want Mauigoa second most because of positional value and his extremely high floor.

The comment on Reese was because TOSU people were predicting he'd run sub 4.4 at the combine. You hear that every year guy ran a 4.4 we have been clocking him under 4.4 in workouts. 4.46 a his size is still flying but that and the weight led me to believe they were either lying about how fast he is, or the weight slowed him down. That concerns me because he's still very light at 241 for an edge. If he couldn't gain 8-10 pounds without losing a bit of speed it concerns me to get him bigger is hg going to slow down more?

Scouts seem to love him I'm honestly thinking he's the most likely guy in the top 10 to turn out overrated.

This years draft is such a weak draft you're seeing guys moving all over the place. Brazzell shot himself into the first round with his 40 time at the combine, ESPN has him rated I think their 8th best Wr. The TOSU WR Carnell Tate was rated top 10, then fell to later in the first round when he ran 4.52 at the combine and then refused to run at his pro day. I actually think he'll be a far better NFL Wr than Brazell.

I really think we need speed on offense we need a RT too I get that but I'd actually be ecstatic to see us go Love in the first round Zach Branch in the 2nd round(4.36 at the combine). I don't want a RT at 3 there's just not one in the draft worth that pick, to me Love and probably Bailey are the guys at 3.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

The comment on Reese was because TOSU people were predicting he'd run sub 4.4 at the combine. You hear that every year guy ran a 4.4 we have been clocking him under 4.4 in workouts. 4.46 a his size is still flying but that and the weight led me to believe they were either lying about how fast he is, or the weight slowed him down. That concerns me because he's still very light at 241 for an edge. If he couldn't gain 8-10 pounds without losing a bit of speed it concerns me to get him bigger is hg going to slow down more?

Scouts seem to love him I'm honestly thinking he's the most likely guy in the top 10 to turn out overrated.

This years draft is such a weak draft you're seeing guys moving all over the place. Brazzell shot himself into the first round with his 40 time at the combine, ESPN has him rated I think their 8th best Wr. The TOSU WR Carnell Tate was rated top 10, then fell to later in the first round when he ran 4.52 at the combine and then refused to run at his pro day. I actually think he'll be a far better NFL Wr than Brazell.

I really think we need speed on offense we need a RT too I get that but I'd actually be ecstatic to see us go Love in the first round Zach Branch in the 2nd round(4.36 at the combine). I don't want a RT at 3 there's just not one in the draft worth that pick, to me Love and probably Bailey are the guys at 3.

I figure we are trading down anyway…..could see proctor at 12 if we are scared off by Francis back problems……then Simpson and the northwestern tackle at 65

 

[Krangodnzr]

The comment on Reese was because TOSU people were predicting he'd run sub 4.4 at the combine. You hear that every year guy ran a 4.4 we have been clocking him under 4.4 in workouts. 4.46 a his size is still flying but that and the weight led me to believe they were either lying about how fast he is, or the weight slowed him down. That concerns me because he's still very light at 241 for an edge. If he couldn't gain 8-10 pounds without losing a bit of speed it concerns me to get him bigger is hg going to slow down more?

Von Miller kind of changed my view of the weight issue. Speed to power is a thing, and guys that move as Reese can really stress big lumbering OTs. Honestly, as long as he runs around a 4.6, pretty much no OT can realistically keep up with them if they get an angle.

And a lot of scouts will actually tell you to stop looking at the 40 and look at the 10-yard split. His 1.58 seconds are elite. It's faster than Parsons's time or TJ Watt's time. Essentially, anything 1.60 and below means he can flat-out beat OTs with speed alone.

Scouts seem to love him I'm honestly thinking he's the most likely guy in the top 10 to turn out overrated.

I can see that for sure, but honestly this draft class just screams meh to me. Every year I run mock draft simulators and this year the talent is pretty underwhelming by round 3.

This years draft is such a weak draft you're seeing guys moving all over the place. Brazzell shot himself into the first round with his 40 time at the combine, ESPN has him rated I think their 8th best Wr. The TOSU WR Carnell Tate was rated top 10, then fell to later in the first round when he ran 4.52 at the combine and then refused to run at his pro day. I actually think he'll be a far better NFL Wr than Brazell.

Tennesse hasn't produced a good WR in a long time, and I know that their offense doesn't prepare their wideouts for the NFL.

I really think we need speed on offense we need a RT too I get that but I'd actually be ecstatic to see us go Love in the first round Zach Branch in the 2nd round(4.36 at the combine). I don't want a RT at 3 there's just not one in the draft worth that pick, to me Love and probably Bailey are the guys at 3.

I disagree on Mauigoa not being worth it because I do believe he is a full tier better than the next best OT on the board. I think he steps in an is a very good run blocker on day one and should be ok as a pass protector by the end of his rookie year. But I also do like Love and I've had to be convinced to like him, I've watched a lot of his tape and read a lot about him, and he definitely could be a special back, so I'm torn.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

My problem with Reese is he only played 2 years and wasn't exceptional either year. He had 7 sacks in 2 years, 6.5 this year. He had like 130 total tackles in 2 years. He and Simon played together on the same defense and Simon was not just better he was markedly better, look at what Simon did for us last year constantly hitting the wrong hole, he was not very good at all yet in college he was significantly better than Reese. This year they moved Reese to more of a hybrid Edge, fit him better but again he wasn't a dominant player at either off ball LB or edge. I think he probably has a better pro career than Simmons did but my objection was to the original comment someone made which appeared to be suggestion Love was a hybrid player.

But Reese shined when he got a real DC.
The guy they had before was playing his system no matter what. That's why that DC was let go and now is at Tennessee because Penn St. let him walk too.

 

[Russ Smith]

I figure we are trading down anyway…..could see proctor at 12 if we are scared off by Francis back problems……then Simpson and the northwestern tackle at 65

I'm still hoping against hope we stay pat and take Love. If Bailey goes 2nd and we're not going to take love it's anybodys guess. Reese is the one guy I really hope we don't take he screams reach to me.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I really think we need speed on offense we need a RT too I get that but I'd actually be ecstatic to see us go Love in the first round Zach Branch in the 2nd round(4.36 at the combine). I don't want a RT at 3 there's just not one in the draft worth that pick, to me Love and probably Bailey are the guys at 3.

I'd be okay with that but it's a little high for Branch. Would love to see both of them on the Cards

 

[Russ Smith]

I'd be okay with that but it's a little high for Branch. Would love to see both of them on the Cards

yeah if I were going to take Branch in the 2nd it would be a trade down I honestly don't see him getting to the 3rd round. KO returns isn't nearly as important with the new KO rules but he's an elite punt returner too I would love to have him. The way the WR's in this draft are bouncing around in ratings has me suspecting there will eventually be a run on WR's in the draft

Has a lot of former Cards WR John Brown in him IMO

 

[Gandhi]

Lots of NFL players end up playing, even starring, at position that weren’t where they played most of their college starts. Typically vesatility is an asset. The Simmons case was an outlier. He literally played all over the defense in college, even switching positions during a drive. The upshot was he never really mastered one. Consider Bain. He will be likely drafted as an Edge, probably started at DE for a 4-3 team. Of course anybody could grab him. There are legitimate arm length questions. When he first came to college he played inside on the line and was outstanding. That’s why I’ve said if the Cards trade down and didn’t get their first choice I’d be okay with him. They have enough needs he’d shine somewhere. He’d likely be very good inside. Reese is similar in that he wants to rush the passer as an Edge. If it turns out he isn’t great a team likely gets a solid LB. If the team needs one that’s fine. I like Bain better because he’s more relentless. That’s the one factor which I’m not certain Reese has. If you believe he does he’s a good choice at 3.

Voice of reason. Also that Bain is intriguing.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The other thing I like about Reese, and probably my favorite thing, is when he hits people, they move. That's a trait I've noticed, when I notice it, from a player that transitions well to the NFL. That shows explosiveness. That's also one of the reasons I don't like Styles that much. He's a grabber when it comes to hitting.

 

[oaken1]

The comment on Reese was because TOSU people were predicting he'd run sub 4.4 at the combine. You hear that every year guy ran a 4.4 we have been clocking him under 4.4 in workouts. 4.46 a his size is still flying but that and the weight led me to believe they were either lying about how fast he is, or the weight slowed him down. That concerns me because he's still very light at 241 for an edge. If he couldn't gain 8-10 pounds without losing a bit of speed it concerns me to get him bigger is hg going to slow down more?

Scouts seem to love him I'm honestly thinking he's the most likely guy in the top 10 to turn out overrated.

This years draft is such a weak draft you're seeing guys moving all over the place. Brazzell shot himself into the first round with his 40 time at the combine, ESPN has him rated I think their 8th best Wr. The TOSU WR Carnell Tate was rated top 10, then fell to later in the first round when he ran 4.52 at the combine and then refused to run at his pro day. I actually think he'll be a far better NFL Wr than Brazell.

I really think we need speed on offense we need a RT too I get that but I'd actually be ecstatic to see us go Love in the first round Zach Branch in the 2nd round(4.36 at the combine). I don't want a RT at 3 there's just not one in the draft worth that pick, to me Love and probably Bailey are the guys at 3.

That's where I'm at. Love, Bailey, trade down