Fine, I'm fine with Francis Mauigoa

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Not only that, I don't want to get pennies on the dollar for trading back. Even the potentially proposed move with Dallas for 12 and 20 kinda has me going... "okay, I guess?"

Making that move to end up with Fano and Ty Simpson or similar doesn't really inspire me. Sounds like a recipe for Monti losing his job.

I'm trying to imagine a more palatable trade-back scenario, like giving Washington our 3rd for them to get Love while we snag a 2027 1st and picks this year, but even then I'm imagining Love being a difference maker like our trade with the Texans, and suddenly we're looking at a pick in the mid-20s for the privilege of getting to take Mauigoa 6 picks later.
Rumor has it Dallas wants to keep 20 because they don't have a 2nd round pick.
I would insist on...
Dallas 12, 20 and 2027 first..
For the Cardinals 3 and 34.

It's not an awesome trade for us..Basically trading back with 3 to move up with 34...but with the 2027 first as a kicker. But I would do it in order to get the value next year.
 

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Rumor has it Dallas wants to keep 20 because they don't have a 2nd round pick.
I would insist on...
Dallas 12, 20 and 2027 first..
For the Cardinals 3 and 34.

It's not an awesome trade for us..Basically trading back with 3 to move up with 34...but with the 2027 first as a kicker. But I would do it in order to get the value next year.
What would
Be the point of this? I don’t think any of this makes us better. This is a classic magic beans exchange.
 

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Do you think Reese can be an elite NFL player? I've been considering the possibility more, and I have to say, few players can move the way he does.
I think it’s a risk percentage situation. Could he be a truly impact player? Yes, but he’s not a sure thing. So it comes down to a roll of the dice. Do you take the risk or settle for a more likely outcome? I think the Cards are not in position to gamble.
 

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Do you think Reese can be an elite NFL player? I've been considering the possibility more, and I have to say, few players can move the way he does.
He definitely can be. He has a higher ceiling than any other defensive player. I'd be ok with that gamble. I would rather try for great than safe any day.
 

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The point is to gather ammo so the team has room to maneuver in the 2027 draft in case there happens to be a QB they want.
The Saints were a bad team that tried to win every game in a bad division and are picking 8th. It's a myth that you have to make moves to put your team at a disadvantage to lose games. The Cardinals can likely do everything they can to win games and still end up in the top 10 because the roster and QB position are so bad. Trying to game the system just makes the hole you have to climb out of deeper.
 

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The Saints were a bad team that tried to win every game in a bad division and are picking 8th. It's a myth that you have to make moves to put your team at a disadvantage to lose games. The Cardinals can likely do everything they can to win games and still end up in the top 10 because the roster and QB position are so bad. Trying to game the system just makes the hole you have to climb out of deeper.
Yep. The Cardinals have had extremely few winning seasons in Arizona since 88.

I think —including this year— this is 21st time in the desert where they’ve been slotted a top 10 pick in the draft..and, the 38th time since 1960.
 

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If true, this is changes the landscape for me. This increases the chance of a trade down IMO.
Don’t see it elsewhere. Apologize if I missed it. The recheck showed no increased damage, which essentially means the concerns are minor and most teams would not red flag him.
 

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The Saints were a bad team that tried to win every game in a bad division and are picking 8th. It's a myth that you have to make moves to put your team at a disadvantage to lose games. The Cardinals can likely do everything they can to win games and still end up in the top 10 because the roster and QB position are so bad. Trying to game the system just makes the hole you have to climb out of deeper.
Right...but picking 12th and 20th,...instead of picking 3rd and 34th...isnt really going to make any difference in the quality of players that we get,...in this specific draft.
 

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Don’t see it elsewhere. Apologize if I missed it. The recheck showed no increased damage, which essentially means the concerns are minor and most teams would not red flag him.
You may be right but going back for a recheck can never be a good thing. That means there was a concern in the 1st place.
 

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Right...but picking 12th and 20th,...instead of picking 3rd and 34th...isnt really going to make any difference in the quality of players that we get,...in this specific draft.
Yeah, I'm keeping our 2nd round pick or no trade.
 

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12 and 20 for our 3 is a big no deal. Throwing in our 2nd round pick would just be moronic, value chart or no value chart.
Yeah... according to the Drafttek draft trade value chart, #3 = 2200 points, #12 = 1200, and #20 = 850... leaving the Cowboys 150 points short in a swap of each team's first round picks. (That equates to pick #88 this year, or perhaps a 2027 2nd?; Dallas has #92 = 132 points.)

Granted, it seems to be a buyer's market for the #3, so the Cards could come out short if they trade down, but they sure as hell shouldn't be throwing in more.
 
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12 and 20 for our 3 is a big no deal. Throwing in our 2nd round pick would just be moronic, value chart or no value chart.
I agree but the picks this year are undervalued, so the Cards might have add if they’re targeting Simpson. Otherwise I wouldn’t consider it.
 

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LOL And Sewell couldn't get his team to a SB, so argument lost. SMH man, just give it up.
There are so many arguments being made that are facially poor on this topic. The best one I’ve read regards the contract of a third pick and running backs. It’s a legit argument.
 

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See, I don't really think Love is a blue chip player, and if you look at the ratings from scouting services, the scouting services don't either.

I like him, but he doesn't really touch the elite stratosphere of RBs. He's not Saquon or Bijan Robinson, and just like Mauigoa, if you take him at #3 you're overdrafting him as well.

With talent poor drafts like this, I think you just take the player your team needs the most. While the Cardinals RB room does lack some pop, they should be a steady enough group. The same can't be said about RT, where Wilkerson is the only guy.
This comment is overbroad. Some do and some some don’t.

NFL Next Gen Stats via NFL.com: Love reportedly earned the highest NGS overall draft score in the 2026 class and the best mark among running backs in the last 24 years

ESPN’s BackCAST-based piece said Love is clearly the best RB in this class, but “isn’t even among the top-25 running back prospects since 1998” by that model.

Asking AI to run a structured comparative scouting synthesis it tiered modern era backs as follows:

Tier 1: Reggie Bush, Saquon Barkley
Tier 2: Bijan Robinson, Jeremiyah Love
Tier 3: Ezekiel Elliott, Leonard Fournette
Tier 4: Christian McCaffrey

That’s pretty lofty. And it cuts against your thesis that scouting services don’t view him as a blue chip prospect.

If anyone is interested I can post the entirety of the factors and design that went into the analysis. This wasn’t just “is love gooder than other runningbacks?”
 

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See, I can respect this post. You're clearly stating your opinion. Earlier in this thread you started pontificating as if your opinion were fact. That's where the trouble began. We disagree on a fundamental level, but that's cool. At least you aren't advocating for Simpson at #3 :)
Except he’s not when he makes a blanket statement that can be immediately debunked like scouting services don’t view love as a blue chipper.
 

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I think if you asked every GM in NFL if it was better to have an established OL for their young QB, or a weaker OL with a good RB, I think almost unanimously they would pick the OL.

Either way, I hope the Cardinals walk away with a really good player. There are three players I'd like (Bailey, then Mauigoa, then Love), a few I could learn to live with (Down and Styles), and then Arvel Reese, who I will be extremely annoyed if they take him.

I agree with you on the magic beans because I don't trust Monti's judgement anymore. If we had a Les Snead, I would probably advocate trading down.
I’m shocked you’re interested in the looks like Tarzan plays like Jane styles.
 

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This was said about Rashawn Slater too man and Tristan Wirfs. I guess you just can't see that this is often said about a lot of tackles that even turn into All Pros. I won't repeat this again, you either look up what I'm saying and learn or you don't.

#content

I'm not thrilled with pretty much every player other than Bailey or Mendoza. I'd rather take a good tackle than a good RB.

But this is where you're losing me...Love ISN'T head and shoulders better than Mauigoa. He just isn't, none of the scouting sites or scouts I'm hearing are really saying this other than fan boys who fall in love with flash over substance.

It's not exciting to take a OT. Ten years ago I would have bristled at the idea, but after watching the Cardinals take the WR (go back and look, you'll see I tossed around the idea of taking Alt over Harrison), I've learned that substance can trump style.

LOL Joe Thomas. Hell, Lane Johnson. No tackle ever screams spectacular.

Yeah definitely disagree. He'd be pick #15 in a regular draft, around the same spot Mauigoa would go :p

He's not in that tier. He's the next tier down.

No he screams done by the end of first contract just like most other RBs.

Actually no. The OL is that bad that it desperately needs a talent infusion.

Mauigoa has the pedigree, the college performance, and the workout numbers to justify his draft position.
Joe Thomas definitely screamed spectacular

Your opinion of love doesn’t match a significant number of scouting services.
 

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This is an interesting eval of Mauigoa from a former Jets scout during the Parcells era. Addresses the guard concerns, but ultimately believes he will be a effective OT in the NFL. That said, this evaluator thinks Love is a HOF lock.

I've started reading this guy because he was the only one I've found that nailed the MHJ eval pre-draft

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He has some out there takes, like rating Carson Beck >>> Mendoza. But he also gave Darius Robinson a 3rd round grade.
Thank you for posting that. That’s a guy with legit cred imo. Good read on mauigoa. Equally good read on love:

 

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