Fine, I'm fine with Francis Mauigoa

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Sick and tired of the Levi Brown reference. So many years ago.
Rb's are making a small resurgence but their shelf life is typically shorter than every other position.
To me this draft screams Bailey at #3 if he's still available. Take an OT in rd 2 and then....well we will still lose more then we win but we'll be on our way.

If Bailey is gone then trade back and grab Mauigoa and Parker in the 2nd round.
It's been forever, but it's still relevant. A team that didn't prepare at one of the tackle positions and now has no other choice, has to take a mediocre prospect. It honestly has nothing to do with the fact that the other guy is an RB prospect, just that who we're almost destined to take isn't going to excite anyone.

I mentioned Evan Neal as the same situation for the Giants relatively recently, if that's more relevant and helpful.

I don't even bother considering Bailey, since he's not getting to us. And there's so little demand to move up to our spot, so we're just going to reach for need.

This board used to be very pro-BPA, and I'm honestly shocked to see how many people are talking themselves into taking a lesser prospect because it's a need.
 

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Yes, and judging prospects in this draft, I think Love is leaps and bounds better than Mauigoa.
Strange...they play different positions.
It's hard for us to come to an accord because you see Love as nothing more than a middling prospect.
Hyperbole. Can we discuss this without you putting words in my mouth? I said he's below the Bijan tier. He's similar in skill level to Jeanty.
If this was Joe Alt vs. Love, we don't have to have a conversation, really.
Mauigoa is very close to Alt. Look at their resumes and their workout numbers. Very similar. Both incredibly dominant players in college.
Judging Mauigoa in this draft against his peers, I think he should barely make the top-10, and really more be picked in the middle of the 1st.
Positional value.
It's absurd to simplify it into "content." I work in Digital Media - I can certainly differentiate. I'm not building my opinions off of unpaid YouTubers or TikTok videos, I'm reading, watching, and listening to people who actually get paid to do this for a living, many of which have been doing it before #content was a thing.
Lol you don't seem to understand what the #content means. We're also including Mel Kiper, Field Yates, etc. Those guys are the ones we're talking about .
Consolidating these three points, yes, Bailey is a clearly deserving top guy, with a position match. He won't be there. Your assertion that Mauigoa is a good player in a draft bereft of good players, but as you continue into Love... I think Love is a great player in a draft bereft of good players. I see amazing burst and vision that will impact games.
He has burst for sure, but he's NOT a pile mover. If I'm looking for a back high, I want a very well rounded back and Love isn't able to do that. He's well rounded, but he's probably not going to be your short yardage back.
Sure, no players win games on their own, it's the NFL. But certain players impact games in a way that others simply can't. Mauigoa isn't making a play by himself that goes for 90 yards and a TD.
Neither is Love LOL.
Wilkerson is a scary starting option, but there's other ways to acquire RTs.
Ways...like drafting Mauigoa, because he's the top rated RT (a more premium position than RB), had a stellar career at a top program, and worked out well. Hes good to great at everything you want out of a RT.

The second round guys have some potential but are way more iffy. Granted, I actually want Bailey and one of the second round guys to be fully transparent, but if Bailey is gone, I switch to Mauigoa and a pass rusher later.
If the cupboard is bare at the start of round 2 at tackle, then make a trade. Something.
Good tackles don't just grow on trees. Your plan sounds like a Lossenfort plan.
Money talks, but we're about to see premier players finally get paid as their contract comes up. The market is about to flip on its head at RB. Part of the reason RBs were going underpaid is because there weren't a lot of elite talents, and that's starting to shift.
Not. This is so patently false brother. Did you read that New York Times article that Harry posted? Reggie Bush's rookie contract would still be a top ten RB contract today. RB pay isn't likely to flip because most teams still run back by committee and if they expand the season longer, RBs pay is likely to decrease because teams will have to focus more on having two good backs.
Just like you want a guy that you know can hold up with that much work if you're picking top 5, I want an RT that's going to dominate his side of the field for years, and I just don't see it.
Mauigoa dominated in college and has the traits and mental makeup to do so in the NFL.
I see it as settling for mid-tier talent because we failed to prepare. Just like Levi Brown.
I see Love as settling for a mid tier position. Look at how many top rated backs don't even make it to a second contract with the team that drafted them.

Build the line first. No reason to draft a RB when the team isn't in a competitive window, wasting the short amount of time they have to actually star.
 

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It's been forever, but it's still relevant. A team that didn't prepare at one of the tackle positions and now has no other choice, has to take a mediocre prospect. It honestly has nothing to do with the fact that the other guy is an RB prospect, just that who we're almost destined to take isn't going to excite anyone.

I mentioned Evan Neal as the same situation for the Giants relatively recently, if that's more relevant and helpful.

I don't even bother considering Bailey, since he's not getting to us. And there's so little demand to move up to our spot, so we're just going to reach for need.

This board used to be very pro-BPA, and I'm honestly shocked to see how many people are talking themselves into taking a lesser prospect because it's a need.
BPA is a myth. Once you learn that it's like when you learn Santa isn't real.
 

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Look back at the draft Wirfs went in. You judge prospects against the class they're in not other classes. Bro this might be the worst draft class I've ever looked at.

It absolutely does hold water. The NFL draft content industry is massive and you literally have hundreds of dudes competing for attention.

Bailey, to me, is a clear guy who has MASSIVE upside at a premium position.

He's a good player in a draft bereft of good players.

We disagree here. I think he's a tier below, which is still pretty good. My issue is I see those skinny legs and I don't think he runs with power, which is something I want if I'm drafting a guy round one.

Well the problem for Mauigoa is he is a RT, not a LT. The Eagles were criticized for taking Johnson high and it's worked out well.

You lose me here, RBs don't win games on their own. They have five OL in front of them on every play. Love will probably have Wilkerson blocking in front of him on the right side, and Wilkerson is a putrid option to start at RT.

Yeah but RT also block for the QB too and play more snaps than a RB.

How do you think the NFL would view our argument here? Money talks, and the average of the top five paid RTs is $23.9 million annually. The average of the top five RBs? $16.2 million.

Also, the average RB plays between 40%-60% of offensive snaps. Love had only three games in his career where he had over 20 carries. That's a big concern whether you want to believe it or not, if I'm drafting a back top five, I want a guy I know that can hold up with a high amount of carries/touches.
re is a balance between knowing a RB can carry the load...and drafting a guy with too many miles on his body.
In todays NFL...or even todays Cardinals...20 carries is no longer the norm...15 or so gets a guy noted as the starter..carries mind you...a few more touches in the passing game..a few more snaps as a decoy,..and a few more as a pass blocker..and you have your #1 RB

I see a lot of Marcus Allen in Love, which is a big thing for me...Marcus had skinny legs too...but had no issues getting yards over the middle, through the middle, or around the edges...

Man, I saw one play...they run Marcus right up the A-gao...power slam.... all 22 players were in a massive pile..and suddenly you see this skinny dude pulling out the back of the pile, two guys had hands on his shoulder pads...but he stretches, leaning back from the resistence,...then BOOM,,, he breaks free...and runs 60 yards all alone down the field...
still to this day I cant figure out how the hell he got through that pile on his feet. But that was just Marcus..

I see that type of talent in Love. All around RB that just finds ways to make plays.

Not saying dude is going to be a HOF back..but I think the potential is there is he has a relatively healthy career...and we wont know that until we know it.
 

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This board used to be very pro-BPA, and I'm honestly shocked to see how many people are talking themselves into taking a lesser prospect because it's a need.
We won’t know this until we step on the field.

Marv was BPA for most here when there’s a good chance he wasn’t even BWA(Best Wide-Receiver Available).
 

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We won’t know this until we step on the field.

Marv was BPA for most here when there’s a good chance he wasn’t even BWA(Best Wide-Receiver Available).
Last year was wild for that WR class. I am interested to see what carries forward and what doesn't. Ladd being incapable of producing without being in the slot was telling. BTJ was hit or miss. Nabers hurt. MHJ mid and hurt. Rome seemed like a bigger improvement than he had statistically.
 

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We won’t know this until we step on the field.

Marv was BPA for most here when there’s a good chance he wasn’t even BWA(Best Wide-Receiver Available).
Give me the benefit of the doubt on this one. Yes, we know there's no guaranteed BPA, it's relatively subjective. A team needs to be confident in their evaluation, to measure it against consensus.

Are you switching your perspective to just need-based drafting at this point?
 

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BPA is a myth. Once you learn that it's like when you learn Santa isn't real.
Yep..this is why when you look at the Cardinals roster, you see a RB depth chart that is three (two?) deep and a RT depth chart with...Elijah Wilkinson. The Elijah Wilkinson we've already seen here before. The Elijah Wilkinson who was putrid as a starter at RT last year for the Atlanta Falcons.

You can start Wilkinson for sure, but you know he's a below average starter The Cardinals biggest need is RT. It's clear as day, and Francis Mauigoa is a natural fit at RT. He's big, he's tough, and he has the pedigree to be a damn good player for the next decade.

Sometimes passing up on the glitz and glamour for meat and potatoes is the way to go in the NFL. Addressing Right Tackle isn't exciting but it's a move that could pay off for years to come.
 

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Mauigoa has issues with speed rushers which is why some say guard. On the other hand he’s mean and strong, which will help the run game MLF wants. They’ll have to see how big the issue is. Proctor won’t like RT. Fano has better pass rating but weak on run. It may be a trade off.
 

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Wait, what? OMG, I thought Mauigoa was supposed to be THE OT in this draft and worthy of pick #3???
He has Proctor #1.

He also has a bit that Eli Heidenreich is temu Christian McCaffrey.

Not sure if this is a click bit or not. It does support your take that based on an overall sampling of DraftTwitter, there are people who do not believe Mauigoa is the top OT in the draft.

One thing I would hope you would clarify for me tho...why is it you believe these takes when they apply to Mauigoa and NOT when they apply to David Bailey? Seems like you are picking and choosing.
 

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The draft according to Stout.

I would not take Mauigoa because he is not the consensus top OT.

Also Stout...

I would take Mendoza at 3 even though he is not the consensus top QB.

I would take David Bailey at 3 even though he is not the consensus top EDGE.

You gotta pick a lane buddy. lol
 

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Proctor is one of the guys who might well rnd up being the best LT, no interest in playing RT. If you need someone to start today, Mauigoa is a better choice IMO. He likes the right side and is a strong run blocker. Since the Cards’ QBs are right handed, if he gets beat it will likely be outside and in front of QB.
 

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He has Proctor #1.

He also has a bit that Eli Heidenreich is temu Christian McCaffrey.

Not sure if this is a click bit or not. It does support your take that based on an overall sampling of DraftTwitter, there are people who do not believe Mauigoa is the top OT in the draft.

One thing I would hope you would clarify for me tho...why is it you believe these takes when they apply to Mauigoa and NOT when they apply to David Bailey? Seems like you are picking and choosing.
Sure, that's very fair. We all pick and choose our favorites. I like what I've seen of Bailey and I don't like that Reese is a Swiss Army Knife type. That's the distinction for me.
 

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The draft according to Stout.

I would not take Mauigoa because he is not the consensus top OT.

Also Stout...

I would take Mendoza at 3 even though he is not the consensus top QB.

I would take David Bailey at 3 even though he is not the consensus top EDGE.

You gotta pick a lane buddy. lol
Correction: I would trade up to take Mendoza because he is the 99.,9% consensus and I like what I see.

I would not take Mauigoa at #3 (lower is fine) because there is no consensus OT and preferences are all over the place on them. He's the top OT on a lot less than 99.9% of draft boards.

I would take Bailey at 3 over Reese because Bailey is not a Swiss Army Knife type and I like what I see from Bailey.

I've picked a lane. You're oversimplifying. You're trying to take a Michelangelo of an opinion and draw it in crayon ;) Nuance matters.
 

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Correction: I would trade up to take Mendoza because he is the 99.,9% consensus and I like what I see.

I would not take Mauigoa at #3 (lower is fine) because there is no consensus OT and preferences are all over the place on them. He's the top OT on a lot less than 99.9% of draft boards.

I would take Bailey at 3 over Reese because Bailey is not a Swiss Army Knife type and I like what I see from Bailey.

I've picked a lane. You're oversimplifying. You're trying to take a Michelangelo of an opinion and draw it in crayon ;) Nuance matters.
Well I mean there is no consensus EDGE either. There are still a good amount of people that like Bain more than Bailey as well.
 

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Mauigoa is the consensus top OT in this draft.
That might be true but there doesn't seem to be much a gap between him and other OT's. Hell, the other Utah OT, Lomu, could turn out the best when he adds strength. He has the prototypical build and athleticism. I'm talking the RT position.
 

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Mauigoa is the consensus top OT in this draft.
Because you said so? lol I've been dealing with that rationale for a week or so on here. No, when sites and experts have differing opinions, there is no consensus. We can't even have a consensus on the message board. Sorry, no. I'll just say Mauigoa is not the consensus top OT in this draft because my opinion carries as much weight as yours. See? No consensus :)

I think a lot of posters are misunderstanding what the word consensus means. Deliberately, in most cases.
 
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