Rumor of the day (April 9)

[Delmar M Lewis]

Ashton Jeanty was also a very good RB prospect who was drafted to a team last year with serious questions at QB and a mid offensive line...they are now picking #1. Didn't really change games. Let's just be real about taking a RB in these situations.

Excuse me bit IMHO that is exactly what the Cards are doing this yrar building as much as possible for the next "QB of the Future" hopefully its not a short Gimmicky Qb with a questionable attitude and a short starting record ie Ty Simpson personally give me Beck this year in mid- late round and Love at 3 we already have the recieving down build that O line after Love and you really have a very dynamic offense thats ready if Beck or whoever implodes this year I did forget 1 thing if the only 2 choices were Reese or Love which would everyone choose

 

[kerouac9]

Excuse me bit IMHO that is exactly what the Cards are doing this yrar building as much as possible for the next "QB of the Future" hopefully its not a short Gimmicky Qb with a questionable attitude and a short starting record ie Ty Simpson personally give me Beck this year in mid- late round and Love at 3 we already have the recieving down build that O line after Love and you really have a very dynamic offense thats ready if Beck or whoever implodes this year I did forget 1 thing if the only 2 choices were Reese or Love which would everyone choose

Everything Lossenfort builds is a bridge to nowhere

 

[Shane]

What would be your explanation for Barkley with the Eagles and CMC to the 49er's?

Good players who went to established programs with solid history and solid rosters in place. They complimented their new teams and made them better.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

596-826-41

That’s the record for the NFL team that we are devoting our time/energy/lifetime to follow. There’s really no logic to even be on this forum—the chances of the Cards rising above their history is slim-to-none. So, how to move the needle and get back to some degree of success? At this point, even a 8-9 would make a lot of people here ‘happy.’

“If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use is the rule?”

Taking RB Love at 3 would be outside standard logic of the modern NFL draft philosophy. Realize that following those ‘unwritten rules’ has gotten the Cards to their miserable franchise record and #3 in this draft. Do you really think that a RT (who projects to a RG if his spine holds up) or a DL/DE will be above what we can get above RB Love?

All the arguments against a RB can be applied to any other position—even ‘top’ QB prospects don’t make the next step. What RT in the history of the game ended up as league MVP or SB MVP? Even some of the current top DL/DE have not resulted in team success. If you have time, investigate the number of playoff appearances made by Miles Garrett, Watt, Crosby, Fredrickson, etc.

What has happened with other teams and their success or failure with a given position should not be the metric on how the Cards draft. We must focus on this roster, this team, the players in this draft. There are so many factors that go into how a drafted player succeeds to make it a major mistake to look at the surface and say the same applies to the Cards. Bringing up Jeanty, Barkley, etc are not relevant to our team building and roster construction.

I just want to see some excitement on Sunday. For years, I would tune into games just to see Fitz perform. I attended the Card-Cowboy game with rookie RB OJAnderson. We lost but at least we went down fighting as Anderson put up 190+ yards. I want to see RB Love cruise to a TD—that’s how easy I am to please.

Amen brother!! I became a Cardinals fan in 1979 because of OJ Anderson.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Excuse me bit IMHO that is exactly what the Cards are doing this yrar building as much as possible for the next "QB of the Future" hopefully its not a short Gimmicky Qb with a questionable attitude and a short starting record ie Ty Simpson personally give me Beck this year in mid- late round and Love at 3 we already have the recieving down build that O line after Love and you really have a very dynamic offense thats ready if Beck or whoever implodes this year I did forget 1 thing if the only 2 choices were Reese or Love which would everyone choose

Our offensive line play was confusing last season after two consecutive years of decent run blocking. Connor had 1,040 yards and 1.094 yards respectively in 2023 and 2024.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Our offensive line play was confusing last season after two consecutive years of decent run blocking. Connor had 1,040 yards and 1.094 yards respectively in 2023 and 2024.

Hey Harry what about a trade down and proctor at 12 if they are scared off by Francis back pain? Then cj Parker and Simpson at 34?

 

[some dumb guy]

596-826-41

That’s the record for the NFL team that we are devoting our time/energy/lifetime to follow. There’s really no logic to even be on this forum—the chances of the Cards rising above their history is slim-to-none. So, how to move the needle and get back to some degree of success? At this point, even a 8-9 would make a lot of people here ‘happy.’

“If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use is the rule?”

Taking RB Love at 3 would be outside standard logic of the modern NFL draft philosophy. Realize that following those ‘unwritten rules’ has gotten the Cards to their miserable franchise record and #3 in this draft. Do you really think that a RT (who projects to a RG if his spine holds up) or a DL/DE will be above what we can get above RB Love?

All the arguments against a RB can be applied to any other position—even ‘top’ QB prospects don’t make the next step. What RT in the history of the game ended up as league MVP or SB MVP? Even some of the current top DL/DE have not resulted in team success. If you have time, investigate the number of playoff appearances made by Miles Garrett, Watt, Crosby, Fredrickson, etc.

What has happened with other teams and their success or failure with a given position should not be the metric on how the Cards draft. We must focus on this roster, this team, the players in this draft. There are so many factors that go into how a drafted player succeeds to make it a major mistake to look at the surface and say the same applies to the Cards. Bringing up Jeanty, Barkley, etc are not relevant to our team building and roster construction.

I just want to see some excitement on Sunday. For years, I would tune into games just to see Fitz perform. I attended the Card-Cowboy game with rookie RB OJAnderson. We lost but at least we went down fighting as Anderson put up 190+ yards. I want to see RB Love cruise to a TD—that’s how easy I am to please.

Please read the rules of this forum. COMMON SENSE is not ALLOWED!!

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

I know I have been beating the drum today for Jeremiyah Love, but if David Bailey is available at #3, he has to be the pick. If Bailey goes to the Jets at #2, then all bets are off. The rumblings that someone of strong influence pining for Love in the Cardinal organization points to one guy: Michael Bidwill. Michael grew up in St. Louis. Michael attended a Catholic High School in St. Louis, and Michael attended a Catholic university. So did Jeremiyah Love. Look at the history of the Bidwill ownership. This stuff matters to them.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Good players who went to established programs with solid history and solid rosters in place. They complimented their new teams and made them better.

As to the Cards, we will have to remove the 'solid history' as a criterion---unless you mean a 'solid bad history.'

Our roster has enough pieces in place to make the jump into being a 'solid roster.' JB is a journeyman, but he showed some leadership---the hope is that may be enough. When you add RB Love in the backfield you expand the play action game, add another receiver in the pattern, and provide solid blocking and pass protection. A perfect complement to our TE, blocking TE TR, our newly emerged WR in Wilson. Love will help with MHJ's development as he pulls the D attention to him and opens up pass routes for the others.

 

[some dumb guy]

I know I have been beating the drum today for Jeremiyah Love, but if David Bailey is available at #3, he has to be the pick. If Bailey goes to the Jets at #2, then all bets are off. The rumblings that someone of strong influence pining for Love in the Cardinal organization points to one guy: Michael Bidwill. Michael grew up in St. Louis. Michael attended a Catholic High School in St. Louis, and Michael attended a Catholic university. So did Jeremiyah Love. Look at the history of the Bidwill ownership. This stuff matters to them.

That's why I keep saying...The Vatican City Cardinals. Take the bird off the helmet and add the zucchetto skullcap.

Fun fact for me: I'm not catholic but my wife is. We went to her grandfather's funeral while we were just dating and she went up for the blessing and was given "the body of Christ", I didn't understand what was going on but when she came back and sat down, I asked her what the body of Christ tasted like? She gave me a dirty look and I said, does it taste like chicken? We both had to get up and leave pretending we were upset but I'm pretty sure everyone knew we were laughing so hard we had to leave.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

Everything Lossenfort builds is a bridge to nowhere

Sad but same with Kiem and horrible with Graves, I miss Denny Green at least he knew how to build a team Coaching ehh left a lot to be desired

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

As to the Cards, we will have to remove the 'solid history' as a criterion---unless you mean a 'solid bad history.'

Our roster has enough pieces in place to make the jump into being a 'solid roster.' JB is a journeyman, but he showed some leadership---the hope is that may be enough. When you add RB Love in the backfield you expand the play action game, add another receiver in the pattern, and provide solid blocking and pass protection. A perfect complement to our TE, blocking TE TR, our newly emerged WR in Wilson. Love will help with MHJ's development as he pulls the D attention to him and opens up pass routes for the others.

Ya know come to think of maybe Reiman being injured was a big reason the run game faltered that guy is like another lineman when he is in there Just a thought mind ya Ime sure there were plenty of other reasons too

 

[oaken1]

Ashton Jeanty was also a very good RB prospect who was drafted to a team last year with serious questions at QB and a mid offensive line...they are now picking #1. Didn't really change games. Let's just be real about taking a RB in these situations.

MID???
dude...did you watch those guys play??
The Raiders offensive line sukked ballz...they were truly offensive in every facet.
The line we fielded week 10 last year was better than anything Vegas rolled out all season...they need serious help.
The biggest difference is at least with us, it is really just one side that is weak...and we can scheme around that to make a running game successful.
the two situations are not similar.

 

[kerouac9]

Sad but same with Kiem and horrible with Graves, I miss Denny Green at least he knew how to build a team Coaching ehh left a lot to be desired

My man both of Lossenfort’s predecessors won playoff games with the teams they constructed

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Sad but same with Kiem and horrible with Graves, I miss Denny Green at least he knew how to build a team Coaching ehh left a lot to be desired

Lossenfort is making me pine for the days of Keim. He wasn't a great GM by any stretch but his teams were at worst entertaining. The Monti era has been both simultaneously bad and boring.

 

[GimmedaBall]

I know I have been beating the drum today for Jeremiyah Love, but if David Bailey is available at #3, he has to be the pick. If Bailey goes to the Jets at #2, then all bets are off. The rumblings that someone of strong influence pining for Love in the Cardinal organization points to one guy: Michael Bidwill. Michael grew up in St. Louis. Michael attended a Catholic High School in St. Louis, and Michael attended a Catholic university. So did Jeremiyah Love. Look at the history of the Bidwill ownership. This stuff matters to them.

Great point. MB was ingrained into the Cards from his childhood. I remember seeing him when he was a kid down on the practice field during training camp---interacting with the players. He's seen the great players/RBs from OJ Anderson, Metcalf, Stump, Jim Otis, Wayne Morris, Larry Centers, etc up to JC. He also has a memory of the Cards passing on some great RBs---including Adrian Peterson so we could draft a LT. He probably has that in mind as he considers this draft.

During the Coryell era in St. Louis, Jim Hanifan was the OL coach. He was notorious for believing that he could take a decent athlete and turn him into a OL starter. He did that with DL Roger Finnie before he was cut. (That's not a typo, he was a DL) and Hanifan converted him into a pretty good RT. Hanifan did not want to 'waste' draft capital on a OL.

MB is also sentimental and wants to revisit past success. I think that was probably why we drafted MHJ so high---MB wanted to get a Fitz replacement and recreate Denny Green's bold move to take Fitz in the draft---when we already had Boldin.

Don't underestimate the MB mindset in all these discussions about the draft.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If you think the manning family will let bidwill so much as sniff that kids fart I got a bridge to sell ya…..

Who wants Arch Manning anyway? He better improve ALOT to even be considered a day 2 pick.

 

[Card'em]

My man both of Lossenfort’s predecessors won playoff games with the teams they constructed

To be fair, both Keim(2013-2023) and Graves(2003-2013) were both general managers of the team for 10 years. At least Keim got to the playoffs in his second and third year as GM, but nada for Graves in his first three years.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The Giants record with Saquon Barkley as their RB. I think you can argue that Barkley is a game changing RB but it didn't help the Giants all that much.

• 2023: 6-11
• 2022: 9-7-1 (Playoffs)
• 2021: 4-13
• 2020: 6-10
• 2019: 4-12
• 2018: 5-11

The Falcons with Bijan Robinson as their RB. 7-10 without him (2021-2022), 7-10 with him. Another RB who can be argued is a difference maker in a game.

• 2025: 7-10
• 2024: 7-10
• 2023: 7-10
• 2022: 7-10
• 2021: 7-10

I would not be happy taking a RB at #3.

I get it but what would those teams record have been without them?
I'm sure much worse.
1 player doesn't make a team.
What is the Raiders record with Max Crosby? He's still a difference maker.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

Great point. MB was ingrained into the Cards from his childhood. I remember seeing him when he was a kid down on the practice field during training camp---interacting with the players. He's seen the great players/RBs from OJ Anderson, Metcalf, Stump, Jim Otis, Wayne Morris, Larry Centers, etc up to JC. He also has a memory of the Cards passing on some great RBs---including Adrian Peterson so we could draft a LT. He probably has that in mind as he considers this draft.

During the Coryell era in St. Louis, Jim Hanifan was the OL coach. He was notorious for believing that he could take a decent athlete and turn him into a OL starter. He did that with DL Roger Finnie before he was cut. (That's not a typo, he was a DL) and Hanifan converted him into a pretty good RT. Hanifan did not want to 'waste' draft capital on a OL.

MB is also sentimental and wants to revisit past success. I think that was probably why we drafted MHJ so high---MB wanted to get a Fitz replacement and recreate Denny Green's bold move to take Fitz in the draft---when we already had Boldin.

Don't underestimate the MB mindset in all these discussions about the draft.

Thats true I can remember the Coryell years vagely Dobler, Banks, Dierdorf etc set a record which may still stand of 17 sacks allowed I believe Granted that was a 14 game season and rules have certainly changed but its still damn impressive to say the least I stand corrected the fewest sacks allowed was 7 by the Dolphins during the Marino years we will never see those kind of stats again (most likely)

 

[kerouac9]

To be fair, both Keim(2013-2023) and Graves(2003-2013) were both general managers of the team for 10 years. At least Keim got to the playoffs in his second and third year as GM, but nada for Graves in his first three years.

I believe Graves has a higher winning percentage than Lossenfort through his first three seasons.

 

[GimmedaBall]

That's why I keep saying...The Vatican City Cardinals. Take the bird off the helmet and add the zucchetto skullcap.

Fun fact for me: I'm not catholic but my wife is. We went to her grandfather's funeral while we were just dating and she went up for the blessing and was given "the body of Christ", I didn't understand what was going on but when she came back and sat down, I asked her what the body of Christ tasted like? She gave me a dirty look and I said, does it taste like chicken? We both had to get up and leave pretending we were upset but I'm pretty sure everyone knew we were laughing so hard we had to leave.

Slow your roll my friend. We may have to send an exorcist to your house.

 

[Harry]

Hey Harry what about a trade down and proctor at 12 if they are scared off by Francis back pain? Then cj Parker and Simpson at 34?

Proctor has the potential to be the best OT in this draft. However, there’s a problem. I’ve heard he sees himself as only a LT. He doesn’t want to go to a team with an established LT. While he didn’t make any big pronouncement, Humphries also didn’t want to play on the right side, though in his case it may have been a confidence issue. I think the Cards are not moving Johnson.

 

[Harry]

Please read the rules of this forum. COMMON SENSE is not ALLOWED!!

I’ve always found common sense is very uncommon.

 

[Harry]

Ya know come to think of maybe Reiman being injured was a big reason the run game faltered that guy is like another lineman when he is in there Just a thought mind ya Ime sure there were plenty of other reasons too

Losing Conner was a much bigger factor, but Reiman was a bigger loss than many appreciated.