OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[BritCard]

Prepare for this inept franchise to cut K1.

Can’t wait

Franchises cut bad players all the time. The mistake was his overpaid extension. That's why they would have to cut him.

 

[TheCardFan]

Franchises cut bad players all the time. The mistake was his overpaid extension. That's why they would have to cut him.

Not 28 year old starting QB's.

Say what you want to about him off the field, he is a legitimate starting QB in the NFL that has shown signs of being elite (first 9 weeks of 2021). He isn't elite but some team is going to think they can get him playing more consistently and the league is about reclamation projects right now.

You don't cut those guys and take $50M cap hit...period.

 

[602 Native]

Franchises cut bad players all the time. The mistake was his overpaid extension. That's why they would have to cut him.

Like Sam Darnold.

 

[602 Native]

Not 28 year old starting QB's.

Say what you want to about him off the field, he is a legitimate starting QB in the NFL that has shown signs of being elite (first 9 weeks of 2021). He isn't elite but some team is going to think they can get him playing more consistently and the league is about reclamation projects right now.

You don't cut those guys and take $50M cap hit...period.

These people are praying to God that K1 is horrible the rest of his career.

It is something to see.

 

[Stout]

Prepare for this inept franchise to cut K1.

Can’t wait

I agree that this would be sub-optimal. What would you do if we can't swing a trade?

 

[Stout]

Not 28 year old starting QB's.

Say what you want to about him off the field, he is a legitimate starting QB in the NFL that has shown signs of being elite (first 9 weeks of 2021). He isn't elite but some team is going to think they can get him playing more consistently and the league is about reclamation projects right now.

You don't cut those guys and take $50M cap hit...period.

You are super inflating his ability and value. He's third or fourth tier, a bang average QB. Those do grow on trees. His flash ability has become a thing less and less often, and we aren't talking about a player that's five years in the past here. It would be sub-optimal to cut him, yes. It would be better to cut him than to keep him.

 

[Stout]

These people are praying to God that K1 is horrible the rest of his career.

It is something to see.

Nah. Once he gone, he gone. Just so long as he gone.

 

[slanidrac16]

Cut him , don’t cut him. Trade him , don’t trade him. Salary cap this way or salary cap that way.
Whatever.
A majority of fans want to see him go away. His presence has worn thin.

And you know what? Keeping Kyler is not going to turn this team into a winner. Willis, Garrapolo or Cousins won’t either. I’d rather watch any of those 3 help us win 6 games rather than watch Kyler help us win 7 games.

 

[TheCardFan]

He's third or fourth tier, a bang average QB.

People don't have to like him but the facts are the facts - he is talented but inconsistent.

2024 - he was top 11th-13th in Yards, TDs, QB rating, and passer rating. #3 in rushing

 

[BritCard]

Not 28 year old starting QB's.

Say what you want to about him off the field, he is a legitimate starting QB in the NFL that has shown signs of being elite (first 9 weeks of 2021). He isn't elite but some team is going to think they can get him playing more consistently and the league is about reclamation projects right now.

You don't cut those guys and take $50M cap hit...period.

Yeah they do. Andy Dalton was cut. Cam Newton was cut. Derek Carr was cut.

These guys were 30/31 but I don't see what difference that makes when QB's play to their late 30s.

If Kyler is cut it's on him. It's an indictment of how the league sees his level of play combined with the bad contract we signed him to.

Also, can people stop using the word elite because he had a great 7 game stretch 4.5 years ago?

 

[some dumb guy]

People don't have to like him but the facts are the facts - he is talented but inconsistent.

2024 - he was top 11th-13th in Yards, TDs, QB rating, and passer rating. #3 in rushing

Here comes that coma thing again...it's 2024? Holy crap...I just lost my Medicare!!!

 

[Stout]

People don't have to like him but the facts are the facts - he is talented but inconsistent.

2024 - he was top 11th-13th in Yards, TDs, QB rating, and passer rating. #3 in rushing

So, average, if you don't pull back two years.. Only a moron would call him top tier--I doubt any on the board would dispute that. He's also clearly not a second-tier QB like a Caleb Williams or a Jordan Love. You could put him in tier 3, then, but he also isn't a young up-and-comer. He's also getting worse as he ages--I noticed you using numbers that are two years old. I'd put younger guys on the upswing ahead of him, too. Currently, there are probably 20 league QBs I'd rather have. That ain't good.

 

[BritCard]

How QB-needy NFL teams can approach the bad offseason market

There are no surefire free agent QBs available this March, and the draft class has only one first-round lock. So what now for NFL teams that might need a quarterback?

www.espn.com

 

[TheCardFan]

So, average, if you don't pull back two years.. Only a moron would call him top tier--I doubt any on the board would dispute that. He's also clearly not a second-tier QB like a Caleb Williams or a Jordan Love. You could put him in tier 3, then, but he also isn't a young up-and-comer. He's also getting worse as he ages--I noticed you using numbers that are two years old. I'd put younger guys on the upswing ahead of him, too. Currently, there are probably 20 league QBs I'd rather have. That ain't good.

I used 2024 as he was injured last year.

Whatever tier you want to put him in is fine - he was top 13 in every important stat (except for winning but hey, the Cardinals).

 

[TheCardFan]

Yeah they do. Andy Dalton was cut. Cam Newton was cut. Derek Carr was cut.

Your examples are hilarious.

Andy Dalton was 32 years old and cut days after they drafted Joe Burrow!
The ghost of Cam Newton was 30, in the last year of his contract, and injured.
Derek Carr had a no trade clause and refused to be traded- Raiders cap hit was $5M

Cutting 28 year old starting QB with a $50M cap hit in a scarce QB market makes zero sense.
It would be a typical Cardinal move

 

[kerouac9]

Your examples are hilarious.

Andy Dalton was 32 years old and cut days after they drafted Joe Burrow!
The ghost of Cam Newton was 30, in the last year of his contract, and injured.
Derek Carr had a no trade clause and refused to be traded- Raiders cap hit was $5M

Cutting 28 year old starting QB with a $50M cap hit in a scarce QB market makes zero sense.
It would be a typical Cardinal move

I’m not sure I understand what you think the alternative is. I’m sure they’d rather trade him and have some other team take on the entirety of his salary. We’d all prefer that. What if that isn’t available?

Do you think Kyler Murray should be the presumptive starting QB for the 2026 Arizona Cardinals? Be a $40 million backup?

We’ve already shown how cutting a QB under 30 with a big cap charge isn’t unprecedented. So what is your point in repeating yourself?

 

[TheCardFan]

We’ve already shown how cutting a QB under 30 with a big cap charge isn’t unprecedented.

N=1? Daniel Jones?
And then what happened?

Career year with Indy and how is signing a long term deal.

What did you learn?

 

[TheCardFan]

I’m not sure I understand what you think the alternative is. I’m sure they’d rather trade him and have some other team take on the entirety of his salary. We’d all prefer that. What if that isn’t available?

Do you think Kyler Murray should be the presumptive starting QB for the 2026 Arizona Cardinals? Be a $40 million backup?

I have been very clear - you can't cut him and take a $54M cap hit.
The dude has value even in his current state - Monti has to do his job.

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[kerouac9]

N=1? Daniel Jones?
And then what happened?

Career year with Indy and how is signing a long term deal.

What did you learn?

Indy missed the playoffs and their coach is on the hot seat. The Giants were still bad.

Obviously people “do” release QBs under 30 with big cap charges, you just don’t like it.

Teams don’t give up on Top 12 drafted QBs after one season until we did it with Rosen.

 

[azgreg]

isn’t unprecedented

Unprecidented doesn't mean not stupid.

 

[some dumb guy]

Let's face it, if the cards keep Murray, they need to go run heavy offense because of Murry's inability to throw over the middle or timing routes...Soooo, go run heavy but stick with JB who has shown he can throw over the middle and timing routes and go ahead and take a chance drafting a QB this year and let him sit and learn.
But in the mean time....Go Suns!!

 

[kerouac9]

I have been very clear - you can't cut him and take a $54M cap hit.
The dude has value even in his current state - Monti has to do his job.

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So if Monti can’t do his job then what?

 

[kerouac9]

Unprecidented doesn't mean not stupid.

That’s a different argument than “it’s just not done” though.

It was just done.

Last year.

In much the same circumstance.

 

[Chopper0080]

I have been very clear - you can't cut him and take a $54M cap hit.
The dude has value even in his current state - Monti has to do his job.

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A few thoughts and questions.

1 - His cap hit is only really 2 mil off of their current cap number. You can absolutely eat 2 mil and field an ok team.

2 - You are correct that if the market is significant, they should trade him. What you aren't considering is that you are wrong and there is not a market for Kyler.

3 - Why would you set your new HC up to fail when you just saw how this played out with Gannon? How is it better to have a malcontent QB on the bench who now creates 2027 dead money because you kept him and guaranteed part of his 2027 salary than just having 2 mil less is cap space than you originally planned on having?

 

[Chopper0080]

26.7 mil of Kyler's salary will be guaranteed in 2027 if they keep him. Why would you sign up for that if you can't trade him?